WC 2006 Official Thread - Page 621

theasfl · 07-01-2006, 01:57 PM

JP Dellacamera does not look anything like he sounds.

rudel.dietrich · 07-01-2006, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ukhotstove

Isn't this the way Germany have always played until Klinsmann took over ?

Germany had the personal for it. They made a living on defense and then lashing back with the counter attack.

England has one of the best midfields in the world and their strikers (when healthy and not stomping on other players genitals) can play with anyone.
They were not utilized at all in this tournement.

redmarkYankees · 07-01-2006, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ukhotstove

No player lost us the game, no player got us knocked out it was Sven.

Agreed. Criminal, best group of players we've had in my lifetime and completely wasted.

Bobbuttons · 07-01-2006, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by redmarkYankees

He's not a big goalscorer, that's not what he's there for. He's a good finisher on the ground, doesn't get enough power on his headers. Hell, I'm a Liverpool fan who wouldn't have Crouch in the starting Liverpool XI, but if you're going to criticise him do so for the right reasons.

I don't think I was being overly critical of him. I made known my assessment of him today and since I wasn't familiar with him before today I asked for others to fill me in on his strengths. And for not being a big goal scorer, ABC's graphic made it seem like he was. Showing that he scored 6 times in England's last 10 world cup matches and England was 9-0-1 when he plays (9-1-1 now).

ukhotstove · 07-01-2006, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

England had plenty of it to get as far as they did. They looked awful all tournement long. I can not think of a single game (and I watched them all for the full 90) that they looked like a world class team which they are.

The tactics and mentality were all wrong coming in the entire system needs to be reworked.

I agree with you but isn't this the way Germany up till Klinsmann have played, get in front then rely on not conceding.

theasfl · 07-01-2006, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ukhotstove

No player lost us the game, no player got us knocked out it was Sven.

quoted for truth

redmarkYankees · 07-01-2006, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by theasfl

the one you just lost

Nice jab. You know f'all about football though if you criticise Crouch's contribution to that game.

Sdpm100 · 07-01-2006, 02:01 PM

I guess it is all my fault - I had predicted the game down to a T, pre-tournament in the World Cup prediction thread:

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(Quarterfinals)
Portugal over England – Now I know a lot of England fans want to see England-Germany again, but after the new manager debacle with Portugal’s current coach this is a certainty to happen.
And like Euro 2004 it probably will go to penalty kicks. And you know England won’t win on penalties.

rudel.dietrich · 07-01-2006, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ukhotstove

I agree with you but isn't this the way Germany up till Klinsmann have played, get in front then rely on not conceding.

Yes, because the players were never there to keep pressing for goals for a full 90 minutes.
England could bludgeon opponents to death if they played with an attacking mentality. They would not have to sit on leads and rely on there defense since they would have the players to keep scoring the goals and keep the pressure in the attacking zone.

redmarkYankees · 07-01-2006, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobbuttons

I don't think I was being overly critical of him. I made known my assessment of him today and since I wasn't familiar with him before today I asked for others to fill me in on his strengths. And for not being a big goal scorer, ABC's graphic made it seem like he was. Showing that he scored 6 times in England's last 10 world cup matches and England was 9-0-1 when he plays (9-1-1 now).

He scored 5 goals in friendlies, not World Cup matches, before the tournament; 3 of them against a very poor Jamaica. ABC needs better graphics. His role is to hold the ball up while others get forward, link up with the midfield and bring others into play. All of that he did very well today.

theasfl · 07-01-2006, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by redmarkYankees

Nice jab. You know f'all about football though if you criticise Crouch's contribution to that game.

I was making a general statement about him which you suddenly placed on this single game, I then said my thoughts about him on the game. I dont really give a **** whether some arrogant Englishmen thinks Im an expert on soccer or not.

redmarkYankees · 07-01-2006, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

Yes, because the players were never there to keep pressing for goals for a full 90 minutes.
England could bludgeon opponents to death if they played with an attacking mentality. They would not have to sit on leads and rely on there defense since they would have the players to keep scoring the goals and keep the pressure in the attacking zone.

Agreed, SGE is a poor, defensive coach.

theasfl · 07-01-2006, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sdpm100

I guess it is all my fault - I had predicted the game down to a T, pre-tournament in the World Cup prediction thread:

of all the predictions for you to get right this tournament...

theasfl · 07-01-2006, 02:05 PM

time for my traditional hour nap between games...I really wish the 2nd game of the day was the one going to extra time instead of the first the last two days.

thank god this was the last day with a morning start EST.

Sdpm100 · 07-01-2006, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by redmarkYankees

Agreed, SGE is a poor, defensive coach.

He won trophies in Italy - it doesn't come much more defensive than that.

canadiancreed · 07-01-2006, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Purple Cowboy

I'll switch back after this thread... didn't want it to get annoying. sort of signature ettique thing!

boo!!!!

canadiancreed · 07-01-2006, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by theasfl

probably...I can think of at least 100 countries stronger than Canada...you don't even have your own professional league...you have to tap into two of ours.

The same coudl be said for baseball, basketball, and now that you basically own the NHL, hockey as well.

redmarkYankees · 07-01-2006, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by theasfl

I was making a general statement about him which you suddenly placed on this single game, I then said my thoughts about him on the game. I dont really give a **** whether some arrogant Englishmen thinks Im an expert on soccer or not.

You criticised Crouch for not being a quick, dangerous goalscorer: which is about as relevant as me criticising Barry Bonds for not being a shortstop. When challenged, you then claimed he gave the ball away easily today, which he blatantly did not.

canadiancreed · 07-01-2006, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by theasfl

the one you just lost

oh SNAP! :d

canadiancreed · 07-01-2006, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by theasfl

why the hell is **** (starts with a d) suddenly censored

its the uber friendly OOTP

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theasfl Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Coral Springs, FL or Orlando, FL (UCF) Posts: 7,988	time for my traditional hour nap between games...I really wish the 2nd game of the day was the one going to extra time instead of the first the last two days. thank god this was the last day with a morning start EST. __________________ All-Sports Fantasy League The ASFL 22 different games, 9 sports. Please check out the website (www.theasfl.com/asfl2/). The league is free- if you're interested please fill out the signup form and/or email the commissioner. Miami Talons (ABL): 2004, 2005 & 2008 Champs