Suggestions for 24 - Page 6

WyattGOAT · 05-31-2022, 11:55 PM

Also, would love to see a revamp to the way scouting instructors and trainers are hired. It's just way too easy to sort by reputation and pick out the best scout/trainer. Gives a massive advantage to the user who will always hire the best available.

Would be great to have some sort of philosophical differences between scouts and trainers where you can hire someone based on their vision and keep their true effectiveness hidden. I know scouts have favor tools/ability, but this is just a 1-5 scale which is not enough IMO. There are countless number of preferences and techniques that go into scouting.

fredbeene · 06-01-2022, 12:18 AM

Been said many times....but....we love stats. Well I do.
Every stat that in BBREF should be in OOTPB by now.
Everything should be SORTABLE and FILTERABLE.
You can retain HTML reports (ie transaction logs) for people who still enjoy that type.

silvam14 · 06-01-2022, 02:03 AM

Ballpark stats. I would love to see a ballparks history and stats. Who hit the first ever homer there? Who had the most career home runs? What is the history of dimension/attendance changes? There really could be a separate database to ballpark specific stat tracking. Not saying I need it all, but it would make the POV and news more interesting with all of the new tags that could be used

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David Watts · 06-01-2022, 08:41 AM

Can we please get the batting champion added to the awards page, or get a another page in addition to the awards page that displays the yearly batting champion. This additional page could list batting champs, home run leader, strikeout leader etc.

BarneyRubble · 06-01-2022, 09:10 AM

I'd like to see an option to change how scouting is handled. It would inject a little more realism when enabled. It's a simple change that would go a long way.

When it's enabled a team can't scout a player when...
1) said player is in another team's organization and it's the offseason. Basically, scouting would have to be done via game attendance. No game, no scouting.
2) said player is injured
3) said player is a free agent and refuses

To get really fancy, a trade would go into 'pending' until the teams involved scouted the players involved. During the season, a team might not need to scout a player, but in the middle of January, they would. It kind of simulates medical evaluations that take place IRL.

md40022 · 06-01-2022, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BarneyRubble

I'd like to see an option to change how scouting is handled. It would inject a little more realism when enabled. It's a simple change that would go a long way.

When it's enabled a team can't scout a player when...
1) said player is in another team's organization and it's the offseason. Basically, scouting would have to be done via game attendance. No game, no scouting.
2) said player is injured
3) said player is a free agent and refuses

To get really fancy, a trade would go into 'pending' until the teams involved scouted the players involved. During the season, a team might not need to scout a player, but in the middle of January, they would. It kind of simulates medical evaluations that take place IRL.

A lot of scouting is done via video tape in modern day. I know we all visualize the old school guy with the cigar in his mouth and a radar gun in hand doing the in-person scouting trips, but with allllll the analytics that break down in modern day - they can't really do that with one guy sitting in the crowd with a notepad and clipboard. Video is relied on big time for scouting in today's game. Probably more so than in person. So when you say "no game, no scouting" and that a scout has to be in attendance, I wouldn't necessarily agree with that.

BarneyRubble · 06-01-2022, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by md40022

A lot of scouting is done via video tape in modern day. I know we all visualize the old school guy with the cigar in his mouth and a radar gun in hand doing the in-person scouting trips, but with allllll the analytics that break down in modern day - they can't really do that with one guy sitting in the crowd with a notepad and clipboard. Video is relied on big time for scouting in today's game. Probably more so than in person. So when you say "no game, no scouting" and that a scout has to be in attendance, I wouldn't necessarily agree with that.

Not sure how a video would help me if I want to scout a guy in the middle of January and he's not even in my organization. In OOTP, you can do it, but not IRL. Thanks anyway.

MathBandit · 06-01-2022, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BarneyRubble

Not sure how a video would help me if I want to scout a guy in the middle of January and he's not even in my organization. In OOTP, you can do it, but not IRL. Thanks anyway.

Sure you can, once you realize that scouting might not involving doing anything but looking at a spreadsheet. A *lot* of scouting these days is done without having to watch the player at all, on video or otherwise.

md40022 · 06-01-2022, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BarneyRubble

Not sure how a video would help me if I want to scout a guy in the middle of January and he's not even in my organization. In OOTP, you can do it, but not IRL. Thanks anyway.

Sorry you feel that way, but that's absolutely how it's done IRL.

If you really think each MLB club has a couple guys in top hats with a stopwatch around his neck, notepad in one hand and a radar gun in the other - traveling a million miles per year and watching about a billion games and a billion players, scribbling notes with their #2 pencils - you are way, way off...... It's 2022.

Yeah, in-person scouting visits still happen plenty but the idea that you can't get a scouting report without an in-person visit is just silly.

You think the scout is in the stands with a compass and a calculator determining a guy's launch angle and exit velocity? Maybe making hashmarks on his notepad to determine the spin rate on a guy's slider?

Pelican · 06-01-2022, 02:52 PM

I think someone needs a chill pill.

We all have probably seen the crowd of scouts with radar guns at a high school game. In my experience, they get their readings, really only looking for the top end, and then they hustle off to the next game, next guy to clock. I didn’t even get the impression that they cared about the velocity of off speed pitches versus the heater. I don’t for a moment mean to suggest this is or was a viable or predictive way to scout a young hurler. Maybe things are different - more sophisticated - by now. I would think you would want to ask a lot of questions beyond “how fast can he throw”. Like control, stamina, other pitches, movement (spin). At least, I hope my OOTP scouts are looking at all those variables - yes in person - and maybe talking to the kid and his parents.

Nothing against video capture of minor leaguers already in the system. As GM I would like nothing better than watching highlights (and lowlights) of my guys on the farm each night. By then, I would know what to look for, and could combine what I could see with what their managers and coaches could tell me. That and advanced metrics in the minors would be a complete picture, if not a sure thing. But to me scouting amateurs should be different. In OOTP and IRL.

MikeS369 · 06-01-2022, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by fredbeene

Been said many times....but....we love stats. Well I do.
Every stat that in BBREF should be in OOTPB by now.
Everything should be SORTABLE and FILTERABLE.
You can retain HTML reports (ie transaction logs) for people who still enjoy that type.

I would also include trot speed.

Dave Stieb II · 06-01-2022, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MathBandit

Sure you can, once you realize that scouting might not involving doing anything but looking at a spreadsheet. A *lot* of scouting these days is done without having to watch the player at all, on video or otherwise.

I don't agree with this at all.
While scouting has certainly evolved from the stereotypical cigar chomping 'bird dog' days, spreadsheets are the domain of the analytics departments, which obviously provide vital information.
But teams still thirst for video of players - and lots of it - so they can also analyze things that a spreadsheet can never show you. (and besides, who exactly is compiling the data that goes into the spreadsheets or does it just suddenly appear - like spin rates - but back to my point)
A lot of teams participate in video sharing these days and a few do not.
Even fangraphs frequently bemoans the lack of available video on certain prospects when generating their prospect reports, often noting that the data is compiled without having had a recent look at the player or speaking to those who have.

fredbeene · 06-03-2022, 10:30 PM

Lets have equipment options.....all the fancy new gear that armors up players of today as if they are going into gladiator battle
/s

fredbeene · 06-03-2022, 10:31 PM

Lets have equipment options.....all the fancy new gear that armors up players of today as if they are going into gladiator battle
/s

Fonzie13 · 07-05-2022, 02:38 PM

... because the AI's logic for this is, frankly, lousy.

(1) AI often gives the playoff series MVP to a player on the losing team. That shouldn't happen often, and it shouldn't happen when the MVP's stats are only marginally better than the top player for the team that won the series.

(2) AI will never make a pitcher the MVP of a playoff series. I just finished a best-of-5 NLDS in which the AI gave the MVP to a position player who went 6-for-16, with 1 HR and 4 RBI ...

... and not to the starting pitcher who went 2-0 (including winning Game 5), allowing only 2 runs and 6 hits, while striking out 25, in 15.2 innings.

There's a function for manual All-Star selection and for manual award selection; can't this be extended to (or adapted for) selection of the MVP of a playoff series.

reflections · 07-07-2022, 12:01 AM

Seeing how there is a KBO, would love to see the *** added (obviously sounds like it's a license issue) but the history the *** has is amazing. Would also love the Cuban National Series but I imagine that one is a hard license to get. Mexican league would be nice to.

Brad K · 07-07-2022, 05:43 AM

My suggestion for 24 is to fix the existing problems before adding anything new.

kidd_05_u2 · 07-07-2022, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad K

My suggestion for 24 is to fix the existing problems before adding anything new.

A business-savvy suggestion this is not. At least you are not proposing they skip a year

fredbeene · 07-07-2022, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by silvam14

Ballpark stats. I would love to see a ballparks history and stats. Who hit the first ever homer there? Who had the most career home runs? What is the history of dimension/attendance changes? There really could be a separate database to ballpark specific stat tracking. Not saying I need it all, but it would make the POV and news more interesting with all of the new tags that could be used

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didn't think of that...but i love it!
i would be happy if i could just run a report on triple plays : )

Brad K · 07-08-2022, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by kidd_05_u2

A business-savvy suggestion this is not. At least you are not proposing they skip a year

Sometimes doing the right thing makes less money now. But maybe it makes more in the future.

06-01-2022, 02:03 AM	#103
silvam14 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Dedham, MA Posts: 9,914	Ballpark stats. I would love to see a ballparks history and stats. Who hit the first ever homer there? Who had the most career home runs? What is the history of dimension/attendance changes? There really could be a separate database to ballpark specific stat tracking. Not saying I need it all, but it would make the POV and news more interesting with all of the new tags that could be used Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Senior "Nancy Boy" of the OOTP Boards _______________________________________________

07-05-2022, 02:38 PM	#115
Fonzie13 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 155	MANUAL SELECTION OF PLAYOFF SERIES MVPs ... ... because the AI's logic for this is, frankly, lousy. (1) AI often gives the playoff series MVP to a player on the losing team. That shouldn't happen often, and it shouldn't happen when the MVP's stats are only marginally better than the top player for the team that won the series. (2) AI will *never* make a pitcher the MVP of a playoff series. I just finished a best-of-5 NLDS in which the AI gave the MVP to a position player who went 6-for-16, with 1 HR and 4 RBI ... ... and not to the starting pitcher who went 2-0 (including winning Game 5), allowing only 2 runs and 6 hits, while striking out 25, in 15.2 innings. There's a function for manual All-Star selection and for manual award selection; can't this be extended to (or adapted for) selection of the MVP of a playoff series.

05-31-2022, 11:55 PM	#101
WyattGOAT Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 159	Also, would love to see a revamp to the way scouting instructors and trainers are hired. It's just way too easy to sort by reputation and pick out the best scout/trainer. Gives a massive advantage to the user who will always hire the best available. Would be great to have some sort of philosophical differences between scouts and trainers where you can hire someone based on their vision and keep their true effectiveness hidden. I know scouts have favor tools/ability, but this is just a 1-5 scale which is not enough IMO. There are countless number of preferences and techniques that go into scouting.

06-01-2022, 12:18 AM	#102
fredbeene All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 1,616	Been said many times....but....we love stats. Well I do. Every stat that in BBREF should be in OOTPB by now. Everything should be SORTABLE and FILTERABLE. You can retain HTML reports (ie transaction logs) for people who still enjoy that type.

06-01-2022, 08:41 AM	#104
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,750 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Can we please get the batting champion added to the awards page, or get a another page in addition to the awards page that displays the yearly batting champion. This additional page could list batting champs, home run leader, strikeout leader etc.

06-01-2022, 09:10 AM	#105
BarneyRubble Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 159	I'd like to see an option to change how scouting is handled. It would inject a little more realism when enabled. It's a simple change that would go a long way. When it's enabled a team can't scout a player when... 1) said player is in another team's organization and it's the offseason. Basically, scouting would have to be done via game attendance. No game, no scouting. 2) said player is injured 3) said player is a free agent and refuses To get really fancy, a trade would go into 'pending' until the teams involved scouted the players involved. During the season, a team might not need to scout a player, but in the middle of January, they would. It kind of simulates medical evaluations that take place IRL.

06-01-2022, 02:52 PM	#110
Pelican Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: Wilmington, Delaware Posts: 2,923	I think someone needs a chill pill. We all have probably seen the crowd of scouts with radar guns at a high school game. In my experience, they get their readings, really only looking for the top end, and then they hustle off to the next game, next guy to clock. I didn’t even get the impression that they cared about the velocity of off speed pitches versus the heater. I don’t for a moment mean to suggest this is or was a viable or predictive way to scout a young hurler. Maybe things are different - more sophisticated - by now. I would think you would want to ask a lot of questions beyond “how fast can he throw”. Like control, stamina, other pitches, movement (spin). At least, I hope my OOTP scouts are looking at all those variables - yes in person - and maybe talking to the kid and his parents. Nothing against video capture of minor leaguers already in the system. As GM I would like nothing better than watching highlights (and lowlights) of my guys on the farm each night. By then, I would know what to look for, and could combine what I could see with what their managers and coaches could tell me. That and advanced metrics in the minors would be a complete picture, if not a sure thing. But to me scouting amateurs should be different. In OOTP and IRL.

06-03-2022, 10:30 PM	#113
fredbeene All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 1,616	Lets have equipment options.....all the fancy new gear that armors up players of today as if they are going into gladiator battle /s

06-03-2022, 10:31 PM	#114
fredbeene All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 1,616	Lets have equipment options.....all the fancy new gear that armors up players of today as if they are going into gladiator battle /s

07-07-2022, 12:01 AM	#116
reflections Minors (Double A) Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Tumwater, Washington Posts: 175	Seeing how there is a KBO, would love to see the * added (obviously sounds like it's a license issue) but the history the * has is amazing. Would also love the Cuban National Series but I imagine that one is a hard license to get. Mexican league would be nice to.

07-07-2022, 05:43 AM	#117
Brad K Banned Join Date: May 2016 Location: St Petersburg Florida USA Posts: 6,694 Infractions: 0/2 (4)	My suggestion for 24 is to fix the existing problems before adding anything new.