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The game always inflates Collins because there are very few relief pitchers. The only relievers the game generates are guys who are "weakened" due to innings (less then 40 I think). Since most of these new relievers are the U players, he gets really high ratings as a reliever because his statistics are so much better then them (they usually have more runs then innings or just a single inning). And since stamina doesn't really matter because anyone listed as a starter is going to pitch the whole game (due to stamina modifiers) he generally becomes an elite starter because a lot of times AI teams (especially with expansion) don't have anyone on the team who rates as a better starter then him.
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May 22, 1877
Chicago White Stockings (5-1) at St. Louis Brown Stockings (1-4) With Louisville and Chicago tied at the top spot, every game is an opportunity for one of them to take over the lead and carries the risk that the other club could pull away. On this Tuesday, Louisville hosts Boston while Chicago travels to St. Louis as part of their first road trip of the season. Chicago lineup John Glenn, lf (.238) George Hall, rf (.300) Dick Higham, c (.296) Levi Meyerle, 3b (.429) Jim Foran, 1b (.348) Davy Force, 2b (.346) Paul Hines, cf (.385) John Peters, ss (.231) Asa Brainard, p (4-0, 3.00) St. Louis lineup Dave Eggler, cf (.375) John Hatfield, 2b (.524) Lip Pike, rf (.150) Dickie Flowers, ss (.304) Henry Burroughs, 3b (.238) Ned Cuthbert, lf (.348) Charlie Hautz, 1b (.190) Tom Foley, c (.286) Pud Galvin, p (0-3, 6.48) Chicago struck first in the second inning, as they had consecutive two-out singles by John Peters, Asa Brainard and Jim Tipper (who had to replace the injured John Glenn in the first inning) to take a 3-0 lead. A triple by Henry Burroughs in the bottom of the inning made it 3-1. In the third Lip Pike singled home Dave Eggler to cut Chicago's lead to 3-2. St. Louis tied things up in the bottom of the fifth, as Dave Eggler reached base on a fielder's choice, then stole both second and third base and scored on a John Hatfield single. They weren't done in the inning, scoring two more times on a Henry Burroughs triple to take a 5-3 lead. Hatfield knocked home a couple more runs in the next inning, and from there Pud Galvin was able to lock down the White Stockings and St. Louis came up with the comeback win. St. Louis 8, Chicago 4
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May 26, 1877
Chicago White Stockings (6-2) at Cincinnati Reds (3-4) On this final Saturday in May, Chicago is a half-game in back of league-leading Louisville, who are idle today. Thus they will move into a tie for first place in the National League with a victory today. Cincinnati has started a bit slowly but they are still in third place going into the game and will move to .500 with a home win. Chicago got off to an early lead in the game but Cincinnati was able to battle back and got a 9-5 victory to move them to 4-4:
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Sunday, May 27, 1877
Standings and Leaders Louisville Grays 6-1 Chicago White Stockings 6-3 Cincinnati Reds 4-4 Boston Red Stockings 3-5 Hartford Dark Blues 2-5 St. Louis Brown Stockings 2-5 The western clubs are looking quite competitive this season, while Boston is off to a slow start this season just as they were in 1876. That slow start probably cost them the pennant last season, and things aren't looking great for them at the moment especially considering that George Wright will still be out for a while. The league leaders: Batting Average Jim Devlin, Louisville - .485 John Hatfield, St. Louis - .483 Steve King, Hartford - .433 Cal McVey, Boston - .417 Levi Meyerle, Chicago - .405 Charley Jones, Cincinnati - .394 Clipper Flynn, Hartford - .391 Runs Scored Dave Eggler, St. Louis - 11 Levi Meyerle, Chicago - 11 Scott Hastings, Louisville - 10 Ed Pinkham, Boston - 10 Ross Barnes, Boston - 9 Jim Devlin, Louisville - 9 5 players tied with 8 each Runs Batted In Ross Barnes, Boston - 9 Jim Foran, Chicago - 9 John Hatfield, St. Louis - 9 Ezra Sutton, Louisville - 9 George Bechtel, Louisville - 8 Cal McVey, Boston - 8 2 players tied with 7 each Stolen Bases Ross Barnes, Boston - 6 Andy Leonard, Hartford - 6 Cap Anson, Cincinnati - 5 John McMulllin, Cincinnati - 5 Cal McVey, Boston - 5 Dave Eggler, St. Louis - 4 George Hall, Chicago - 4 Won-Loss Record Dan Collins, Louisville, 4-0 Asa Brainard, Chicago, 4-2 Frank Pearce, Louisville, 2-0 Al Pratt, Cincinnati, 2-0 George Zettlein, Chicago, 2-1 Cy Bentley, Boston, 2-2 Sam Weaver, Cincinnati, 2-3 Earned Run Average Al Spalding, Boston - 0.00 Dan Collins, Louisville - 1.50 George Bradley, St. Louis - 2.18 Sam Weaver, Cincinnati - 2.30 George Zettlein, Chicago - 2.57 Jim Britt, Hartford - 2.65 Bobby Mathews, Boston - 2.66 Strikeouts Sam Weaver, Cincinnati - 23 Dan Collins, Louisville - 12 Asa Brainard, Chicago - 11 Cy Bentley, Boston - 9 Pud Galvin, St. Louis - 8 George Zettlein, Chicago - 8 Bobby Mitchell, Cincinnati - 6
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If you know 19th century baseball, you know that Cap Anson was the player who connected the earliest professional leagues from 1871 all the way to the 1890s. He was unique in that way - most of the top players of the 1870s were finished by the time they were age 30. However, there was one other player whose career followed a similar path as Anson's - a very good player for many years, rather than a great player who played for a short time. That player is Ezra Sutton. He played in the first official major league game of all time, and was still starting for Boston in the late 1880s when many of the players who were around in the 20th century were active.
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For this in-game week, I've changed my avatar to Ezra Sutton - one of the best and most underrated infielders of the 19th century.
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We're a month into the NWL's 1877 season, so it's time to check in on our affiliated minor leagues.
Minneapolis Millers 12-1 (Boston's affiliate) Fort Wayne Railroaders 12-3 (Cincinnati) St. Paul Saints 11-5 (unaffiliated) Grand Rapids Woodworkers 8-7 (Hartford) Peoria Distillers 8-8 (Chicago) Evansville Hoosiers 4-9 (Louisville) Quincy Ravens 3-12 (St. Louis) Terre Haute Hottentots 0-13 (unaffiliated) The NWL league leaders: Batting Average Jim Keenan, Minneapolis - .458 Pete Donnelly, Minneapolis - .412 Bill Hague, Evansville - .400 Fraley Rogers, Minneapolis - .396 George Bird, Minneapolis - .340 Henry Luff, Fort Wayne - .339 Lou Say, Grand Rapids - .327 Runs Scored Fred Cone, Minneapolis - 20 Jim Keenan, Minneapolis - 12 Fraley Rogers, Minneapolis - 12 Dave Pierson, Fort Wayne - 11 Tom Barlow, Peoria - 10 George Bird, Minneapolis - 10 4 players tied with 9 each Runs Batted In Jim Keenan, Minneapolis - 17 George Bird, Minneapolis - 13 Fraley Rogers, Minneapolis - 12 Frank Sellman, Grand Rapids - 11 Pete Donnelly, Minneapolis - 10 Jack Gleason, Minneapolis - 10 3 players tied with 9 each Stolen Bases Fred Cone, Minneapolis - 9 Tom Barlow, Peoria - 8 Pony Sager, Minneapolis - 8 Herman Dehlman, Grand Rapids - 7 Will Foley, Fort Wayne - 7 Herm Doscher, Grand Rapids - 6 3 played tied with 5 each Won-Loss Record John Cassidy, Fort Wayne, 4-0 NFN Edwards, Fort Wayne, 4-0 Phonney Martin, Minneapolis, 4-0 Tommy Bond, St. Paul, 4-1 Dick McBride, Grand Rapids, 4-1 Will White, Minneapolis, 4-1 2 players tied with 3-0 Earned Run Average NFN Edwards, Fort Wayne - 0.50 John Cassidy, Fort Wayne - 0.60 Mike Golden, Minneapolis - 0.67 Foghorn Bradley, Minneapolis - 0.69 Dale Williams, Fort Wayne - 1.26 Terry Larkin, St. Paul - 1.54 Cherokee Fisher, Peoria - 1.70 Strikeouts Fred Goldsmith, Evansville - 65 Tommy Bond, St. Paul - 56 Dick McBride, Grand Rapids - 55 Laurie Reis, Peoria - 54 Cherokee Fisher, Peoria - 51 Len Lovett, Peoria - 46 NFN Edwards, Fort Wayne - 41
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June 2, 1877
Chicago White Stockings (8-3) at Louisville Grays (8-2) Chicago traveled to Louisville for the first time this week and came into the opening game trailing the Grays by 1 1/2 games. Chicago took the first game on Thursday by an 8-5 score, and that meant this Saturday game would determine who would leave the matchup in first place in the National League. The game ended up being completely dominated by Levi Meyerle, Chicago's star third baseman. He went 6 for 6 in the game, with a double, a triple, two runs scored and two driven in as the White Stockings jumped out to a huge lead, nearly lost it, then held on for the victory.
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Sunday, June 3, 1877
Standings and Leaders Chicago White Stockings 9-3 Louisville Grays 8-3 Cincinnati Reds 6-5 Hartford Dark Blues 3-5 Boston Red Stockings 3-6 St. Louis Brown Stockings 2-9 Boston is suddenly looking really mediocre - what's wrong with this club that was supposed to contend for the pennant? Meanwhile, Chicago and Louisville are in a pitched battle, and Chicago's two wins in Louisville this week has given them a brief upper hand. The league leaders: Batting Average Jim Devlin, Louisville - .481 Levi Meyerle, Chicago - .448 Cal McVey, Boston - .425 Charley Jones, Cincinnati - .400 Clipper Flynn, Hartford - .393 Scott Hastings, Louisville - .388 Jim Foran, Chicago - .385 Runs Scored Jim Devlin, Louisville - 16 Scott Hastings, Louisville - 16 Mike McGeary, Cincinnati - 14 Levi Meyerle, Chicago - 14 Chick Fulmer, Louisville - 13 George Bechtel, Louisville - 12 Dave Eggler, St. Louis - 12 Runs Batted In Jim Foran, Chicago - 12 Chick Fulmer, Louisville - 12 Ezra Sutton, Louisville - 12 George Bechtel, Louisville - 11 Levi Meyerle, Chicago - 11 Cal McVey, Boston - 10 4 players tied with 9 each Stolen Bases Ross Barnes, Boston - 8 Andy Leonard, Hartford - 7 George Hall, Chicago - 6 John McMullin, Cincinnati - 6 Cap Anson, Cincinnati - 5 Mike McGeary, Cincinnati - 5 Cal McVey, Boston - 5 Won-Loss Record Dan Collins, Louisville, 5-1 Asa Brainard, Chicago, 5-2 George Zettlein, Chicago, 4-1 Sam Weaver, Cincinnati, 3-4 Frank Pearce, Louisville, 2-0 Al Pratt, Cincinnati, 2-0 Cy Bentley, Boston, 2-2 Earned Run Average Dan Collins, Louisville - 1.55 Bobby Mitchell, Cincinnati - 2.06 George Bradley, St. Louis - 2.23 George Knight, Louisville - 2.63 Al Spalding, Boston - 2.65 Jim Britt, Hartford - 2.65 Bobby Mathews, Boston - 2.66 Strikeouts Sam Weaver, Cincinnati - 29 Dan Collins, Louisville - 20 Asa Brainard, Chicago - 13 George Zettlein, Chicago - 11 George Knight, Louisville - 10 Cy Bentley, Boston - 9 Pud Galvin, St. Louis - 9 Bobby Mitchell, Cincinnati - 6
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Scott Hastings is off to a great start, and he was also a really pivotal figure in the early days of the National Association. So what's the story with this guy?
Well, first of all, the National Association had a rule about signing players from other teams. If a player was signed they had to sit out for 60 days after the signing before being eligible to appear in a competitive game. Hastings was playing for a team in Louisiana in the spring of 1871, then signed with Rockford and immediately became their player-manager. In response, the team was forced to forfeit four games at the time. There's no SABR bio of Hastings and Nemec's entry on him is relatively short, so here is most of it: Quote:
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June 5, 1877
Cincinnati Reds (6-5) at Chicago White Stockings (9-3) The White Stockings took the lead in the National League after going 2 for 2 against Louisville, but they have another stiff test - the Reds are looking relatively competitive. Meanwhile, Louisville is traveling to St. Louis to take on the last-place Brown Stockings. The game ended up being a wild one. Chicago fought back from a three-run, ninth-inning deficit to win the game and overcame a record-setting performance by Charley Jones of Cincinnati, who had an unprecedented three triples in the game.
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June 7, 1877
Louisville Grays (9-3) at St. Louis Brown Stockings (2-10) Louisville and Chicago both won their games on Tuesday the 5th, and they both had the same matchups on the 7th. Louisville trailed by a half-game but they had the easier matchup and could pull into first with a win and a little help. The Grays jumped out to a quick 6-1 lead, then St. Louis rallied and it was close for pretty much the entire game until Louisville added on four runs in the ninth inning to get the relatively easy win.
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Sunday, June 10, 1877
Standings and Leaders Chicago White Stockings 11-3 Louisville Grays 10-3 Cincinnati Reds 7-7 Boston Red Stockings 5-6 Hartford Dark Blues 3-7 St. Louis Brown Stockings 2-12 Things seem to settling into three tiers - Chicago and Louisville battling for the pennant, Cincinnati and Boston around .500 and solidly mediocre, and Hartford and St. Louis at the bottom of the standings. The league leaders: Batting Average Jim Devlin, Louisville - .475 Cal McVey, Boston - .449 Levi Meyerle, Chicago - .406 Jim Foran, Chicago - .403 Scott Hastings, Louisville - .386 Charley Jones, Cincinnati - .367 Clipper Flynn, Hartford - .364 Runs Scored Scott Hastings, Louisville - 18 Jim Devlin, Louisville - 17 Ross Barnes, Boston - 16 Levi Meyerle, Chicago - 16 Mike McGeary, Cincinnati - 15 Tom York, Louisville - 15 3 players tied with 14 each Runs Batted In Chick Fulmer, Louisville - 15 Jim Foran, Chicago - 13 Cal McVey, Boston - 13 Ezra Sutton, Louisville - 13 Levi Meyerle, Chicago - 12 George Bechtel, Louisville - 11 Jim Devlin, Louisville - 11 Stolen Bases Ross Barnes, Boston - 11 Cap Anson, Cincinnati - 7 Andy Leonard, Hartford - 7 John McMullin, Cincinnati - 7 George Hall, Chicago - 6 3 players tied with 5 each Won-Loss Record Dan Collins, Louisville, 6-1 George Zettlein, Chicago, 5-1 Asa Brainard, Chicago, 5-2 Cy Bentley, Boston, 3-2 Sam Weaver, Cincinnati, 3-4 Frank Pearce, Louisville, 2-0 Al Pratt, Cincinnati, 2-1 Earned Run Average Dan Collins, Louisville - 1.47 Jim Britt, Hartford - 1.96 Bobby Mitchell, Cincinnati - 2.00 Al Spalding, Boston - 2.42 George Bradley, St. Louis - 2.52 George Knight, Louisville - 2.63 Bobby Mathews, Boston - 2.66 Strikeouts Sam Weaver, Cincinnati - 31 Dan Collins, Louisville - 24 Asa Brainard, Chicago - 13 Pud Galvin, St. Louis - 12 George Zettlein, Chicago - 12 3 players tied with 10 each
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Sam Weaver is leading the NL in strikeouts and at age 21 is, together with Dan Collins, helping change the strategy of pitching in my universe. In reality, he was a good pitcher but somewhat less memorable. So who was the real Sam Weaver?
Well, first of all, he was Buck Weaver, which is going to be jarring for people who think of Buck Weaver as the potentially innocent Black Sock. But Sam went by Buck 40 years earlier. There's no SABR bio of Sam/Buck, but Nemec has some information: Quote:
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June 11, 1877
Louisville Grays (10-3) at Chicago White Stockings (11-3) Chicago won both of the previous games between the top two clubs this season, so a win for Chicago would mean the White Stockings would be responsible for 75% of the Grays' losses. It is increasingly looking like the outcome of this matchup will determine which club will win the 1877 pennant. As it turned out, Asa Brainard pitched a masterpiece to allow Chicago to make it 3 for 3 on the season against Louisville. There was a cloud hanging over the win, though - Dick Higham was injured in the game and there's currently no word on how long he'll be out.
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June 14, 1877
Cincinnati Reds (8-7) at Louisville Grays (11-4) Louisville won the second of two games against Chicago to move back within 1/2 game of the league lead. (Fortunately for Chicago, Higham only has a minor knee injury.) This meant that their next series - this one against Cincinnati - would give them a chance to catch Chicago at the top of the standings. Charley Jones of Cincinnati had a huge game - getting two home runs to raise his career total to three, and also adding a double and five RBI. However, Louisville came up with an impressive win - after trailing 7-1 they battled all the way back to win 10-8.
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June 16, 1877
Chicago White Stockings (12-4) at Boston Red Stockings (6-6) Going into the Saturday games on this mid-June day, Chicago and Louisville had identical 12-4 records. While Chicago visited Boston as part of its first east coast trip of the year, Louisville hosted the Cincinnati Reds. Cal McVey, who's been on a hot streak to take him into the league lead in batting, had three hits, two runs scored and two driven in as Boston took the game from Chicago to go over .500 for the season. Louisville also lost (by a 25-9 score!) to keep things tied atop the league.
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Sunday, June 17, 1877
Standings and Leaders Chicago White Stockings 12-5 Louisville Grays 12-5 Boston Red Stockings 7-6 Cincinnati Reds 9-8 Hartford Dark Blues 3-9 St. Louis Brown Stockings 3-13 Chicago and Louisville are still deadlocked, and with Boston and Cincinnati playing better of late it looks like there could be an excellent pennant race this season. The league leaders: Batting Average Cal McVey, Boston - .439 Jim Devlin, Louisville - .400 Charley Jones, Cincinnati - .392 Clipper Flynn, Hartford - .390 Levi Meyerle, Chicago - .390 Jim Foran, Chicago - .373 Scott Hastings, Louisville - .370 Runs Scored Scott Hastings, Louisville - 22 Mike McGeary, Cincinnati - 21 Cap Anson, Cincinnati - 20 Jim Devlin, Louisville - 19 Tom York, Louisville - 19 Ross Barnes, Boston - 18 George Bechtel, Louisville - 17 Runs Batted In Chick Fulmer, Louisville - 18 John McMullin, Cincinnati - 16 Ezra Sutton, Louisville - 16 Charley Jones, Cincinnati - 15 Cal McVey, Boston - 15 3 players tied with 14 each Stolen Bases Ross Barnes, Boston - 13 Cap Anson, Cincinnati - 9 Mike McGeary, Cincinnati - 8 Andy Leonard, Hartford - 7 John McMullin, Cincinnati - 7 George Hall, Chicago - 6 Cal McVey, Boston - 6 Won-Loss Record Dan Collins, Louisville, 6-2 Asa Brainard, Chicago, 6-3 George Zettlein, Chicago, 5-2 Sam Weaver, Cincinnati, 4-5 Cy Bentley, Boston, 3-2 Al Spalding, Boston, 3-2 2 players tied with 2-0 each Earned Run Average George Knight, Louisville - 1.80 Al Spalding, Boston - 1.84 Jim Britt, Hartford - 1.96 Bobby Mitchell, Cincinnati - 2.40 Bobby Mathews, Boston - 2.66 Dan Collins, Louisville - 2.69 Sam Weaver, Cincinnati - 3.10 Strikeouts Sam Weaver, Cincinnati - 41 Dan Collins, Louisville - 31 Asa Brainard, Chicago - 17 Hugh Campbell, Hartford - 15 Pud Galvin, St. Louis - 14 George Zettlein, Chicago - 14 2 players tied with 12 each
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George Hall has been one of the better players in baseball in recent years, almost certainly an even better player than he was in real life. He was also a fairly memorable character in reality. Here's the opening paragraph of his SABR bio:
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After this time with Brooklyn, when the National Association was formed, Hall signed with the Washington Olympics, where he became the teammate of some of the vanquished Cincinnati Red Stockings. He played with the relatively competitive Baltimore Canaries in 1872 and 1873 before joining Harry Wright's Boston Red Stockings and winning a pennant in 1874. He spent two years with Philadelphia, then spent his final pre-ban year in Louisville in 1877. During this time, Hall was a good hitter and a good player, but was never really regarded as a superstar. His best season was with Philadelphia in 1876, when he batted .366 and was a skilled left fielder. His career batting average was .322, but this is slightly less impressive than it looks - eight players (Barnes, Wright, McVey, Deacon White, Anson, Pike, Jim O'Rourke and Meyerle) had better batting averages during those same years, and of course Hall was banned during what might have been his decline phase. This is in keeping with Hall's reputation at the time - a good player, probably one of the best on his team, but not a superstar like Ross Barnes, George Wright, Cap Anson or Levi Meyerle. That was his reputation heading into the Louisville scandal. Nemec summarizes what happened pretty succinctly: Quote:
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June 18, 1877
Chicago White Stockings (12-5) at Boston Red Stockings (7-6) Chicago and Louisville remained tied for first, and Boston and Cincinnati were very much still in the hunt this early in the season. With this game, Chicago would move either a half-game ahead or a half-game behind idle Louisville. Chicago had a four-run lead going into the bottom of the ninth, then Boston's first three batters reached base and they had the tying run at the plate with no one out. However, Chicago was able to settle things down to escape with the win and first place.
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June 19, 1877
Chicago White Stockings (13-5) at Hartford Dark Blues (3-10) A day after their narrow win over Boston, Chicago headed to Brooklyn to take on the last-place Dark Blues. (Remember, this season they were known as "Hartford of Brooklyn.") They had an opportunity to get a game ahead of Louisville with a victory, and playing against a terrible Hartford club seemed like a perfect opportunity. Chicago was able to handle Hartford relatively easily, as Brainard allowed only five hits in the game and the White Stockings picked up the easy victory. With the win, Chicago pulled a full game ahead in the National League.
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