There's GOT to be a way to keep uber-whales out of iron-silver, right?

[Goliathus]

Originally Posted by matingly23

You can't begin to guess the complexity? I really think that's being overly dramatic. The code that does relegation looked at winning percentage and moved teams up more than one level if it was high enough. Fairly simple. That could be reused.

Why would a team of Perfect cards want to, expect to, or deserve to bash teams' brains in in Iron, Bronze, Silver and Gold? What's the point of that? I don't see how it would be a challenge or enjoyable for the whale teams, nor the F2P teams.

Part of being a whale is the ability to be Thanos and wipe out everyone. Many enjoy that. I do too, on some games. Also, having a trophy from Iron to Perfect is fun for a completionist. I certainly have that mindset, like I either promote as a champion or I don't want to promote(especially not as it's near impossible to regulate with the current PT rules). Everytime I am promoted without a trophy I am very disappointed.

Originally Posted by Argonaut

Not every team has to have Chinese warlord Lu Bu at shortstop.

Originally Posted by Magus978

Yes they do. Those forfeit wins coming from Lu Bu killing all of the opposition count just as much as the regular wins

Turns out baseball could not provide him with a decent challenge

Now that I am on topic enough, time to go off-topic. Lu Bu is overrated, "Japanese Lu Bu" Tadakatsu Honda has better proven records(no wound from 100+ battles) and better personality(though Lu Bu in real history isn't that bad). The only thing Lu Bu won over Honda is that his wife(technically, "one of his wives", you can have multiple in ancient China) is the "four ancient beauties" of China. Though that's largely fictional, as in real history, Lu Bu only got a "palace maid" for wife and that's part of the plan to kill Dong Zhou anyway, so it's not like she really love him. I am sure that maid is beatiful, but definitely not topping the other three legit and real "ancient beauties". With the population in China, you'd need to have 128 on all stats to be put into the beauty hall of fame.

I also have video proof that Tadakatsu Honda is a better baseball player than Lu Bu: Clickie. Here's him batting fourth against "God of War" Uesugi Kenshin.

[Kushiel]

Originally Posted by Orcin

It wasn't me. My hats off to the people that made/make it happen. They are doing a great job.

We would still like to see you in the league...

[Kushiel]

Originally Posted by mcdog512

I think Bottom of the Sixth and Stanley Kupchaser are the drivers of the league. Correct me if I am wrong guys.

I think Joe was referring more to the idea that Orcin started a league of like minded individuals and showed that it could be done and managed. I am sure he did not mean the league was started by or thought of by Orcin.

[<Pion>]

Originally Posted by matingly23

You can't begin to guess the complexity? I really think that's being overly dramatic. The code that does relegation looked at winning percentage and moved teams up more than one level if it was high enough. Fairly simple. That could be reused.

Why would a team of Perfect cards want to, expect to, or deserve to bash teams' brains in in Iron, Bronze, Silver and Gold? What's the point of that? I don't see how it would be a challenge or enjoyable for the whale teams, nor the F2P teams.

I program for a living the last 40 years (and developed both a football and baseball game when they weren’t available for sale) and am happy I didn’t have to program it

[Findest2001]

Originally Posted by bailey

You posted my complete roster along with my team name and forum name in the same screenshot. I say that was specific and I didn't appreciate it.

As far as beating up on waffle teams, I didn't make the rules. I consider it a “thank you” from the developers for my support, who let me earn copious amounts of PP with a top team in the lower levels.

I just want to have a pretty ribbon like this one:

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As I said, I apologize for making you feel like I was calling you out. In all honesty if I ever knew how to "black out" or "scribble out" or whatever the heck it is called, the name from a screenshot I would have done so with my post.


I'd wish you luck but you don't need it. You WILL have that pretty ribbon with this team with literally no time invested moving forward. Just log in and collect. Good day sir. *bow* (serious, not sarcastic)

[matingly23]

"Part of being a whale is the ability to be Thanos and wipe out everyone. Many enjoy that. I do too, on some game."

Well it's nice to see someone be honest and admit it. As you can imagine though, that makes for a not so fun experience for non whales. Hence things like OL leagues coming in to existence, and people asking for whales to be auto-promoted to Perfect.

Personally I don't want that experience, I'd prefer a league push me to think and evolve in to a better player rather than buying wins.

For people who want to be Thanos I would say, try to do it with pure strategy if you want an actual challenge. A VISA card doesn't make one a good manager.

[matingly23]

Originally Posted by <Pion>

I program for a living the last 40 years (and developed both a football and baseball game when they weren’t available for sale) and am happy I didn’t have to program it

OK, well coding has been part of my career since the late 90s and I don't think it would be that big of a deal.

[<Pion>]

Originally Posted by matingly23

OK, well coding has been part of my career since the late 90s and I don't think it would be that big of a deal.

OOTP is hiring

[dannibalcorpse]

For all the wailing and gnashing of teeth in here - how'd the 2001 Mariners do in the World Series again? Or the 1906 Cubs, or the 1954 Indians? How about those 109-53 1969 Baltimore Orioles?

Point is, it's baseball (or what we all consider to be the premiere simulation of such) - just because these teams are running roughshod over the regular season means nothing in a playoff series. For me, even if I'm in a league with an incredibly overpowered team, the fun can be in trying to strategize how to get my team over the hump against them - figure out their weak spot, and get after it.

[OMGPuppies]

Originally Posted by dannibalcorpse

For all the wailing and gnashing of teeth in here - how'd the 2001 Mariners do in the World Series again? Or the 1906 Cubs, or the 1954 Indians? How about those 109-53 1969 Baltimore Orioles?

Point is, it's baseball (or what we all consider to be the premiere simulation of such) - just because these teams are running roughshod over the regular season means nothing in a playoff series. For me, even if I'm in a league with an incredibly overpowered team, the fun can be in trying to strategize how to get my team over the hump against them - figure out their weak spot, and get after it.

Sweep the leg.

[JasonC23]

Originally Posted by dannibalcorpse

For all the wailing and gnashing of teeth in here - how'd the 2001 Mariners do in the World Series again? Or the 1906 Cubs, or the 1954 Indians? How about those 109-53 1969 Baltimore Orioles?

Point is, it's baseball (or what we all consider to be the premiere simulation of such) - just because these teams are running roughshod over the regular season means nothing in a playoff series. For me, even if I'm in a league with an incredibly overpowered team, the fun can be in trying to strategize how to get my team over the hump against them - figure out their weak spot, and get after it.

My main contribution to prior threads like this was to A) list off all the real-life whale teams that did not win the World Series, and B) ask all those who say, "I could tell on Monday who would win on Sunday," whether their predictions actually came true.

So, thanks for covering A for me! But I imagine it would be really eye-opening if everyone who posts something like, "No one else even has a chance because that whale team is obviously going to win the championship!" came back to say whether that whale team actually won the series.

Along those lines, anecdotally (which is all we've got for evidence for now), I've won a Gold, Diamond, and Perfect series, and I had the best record in exactly none (zero, zip, zilch, nada) of those seasons. And I really only had a "whale"-type record in one of them. My series-winning teams had 95, 91, and 111 wins, respectively, and in my 111-win Perfect season, a team on the other side of the bracket had 116 wins...and lost to the Wild Card winner in the Division series.

It's easy to get discouraged when you see a whale. Heck, last week, I won 95 games and was the top Wild Card playoff qualifier and still finished 36 (!!) games out of first behind a whale...and this week, despite my settings being on Random league placement, I once again share a division with the exact same whale team...plus another whale! Seriously, I'm 93-52, which is awesome, but I'm in third, 22.5 games out of first and 12.5 games out of second! And on the other side of the bracket, there's a third whale with a better record than either of the teams in front of me! Do I think I will win the Series? Um, no. Do I think I will make a quick playoff exit after being humiliated in the Wild Card game? Oh, my, yes.

But...what if I actually win?

And that's why we keep playing. Sometimes David does beat Goliath. Why not your team? Why not this week?

[fredbeene]

Originally Posted by justpatrick

At least it´s just one whale, I´ve been in leagues with several.

Anyway, I guess the best strategy would be to build the second best team in the league, let him destroy you in the league championship, and promote. Winning the wildcard will get you nothing but a date with the whale and another season in silver.

i guess i am in the minority, i like playing broze and silver with overachiever bronze silver some gold roster just too see what will happen

[joehart]

Originally Posted by matingly23

"Part of being a whale is the ability to be Thanos and wipe out everyone. Many enjoy that. I do too, on some game."

For people who want to be Thanos I would say, try to do it with pure strategy if you want an actual challenge. A VISA card doesn't make one a good manager.

Agree but in this case we were with him in the Orcin league for quite a while and he won the league because of his strategy and skills in the game. He did not win with his wallet during all those seasons.

But I agree...there are lots of whales that can be beaten by much weaker teams because of poor strategy. It was more prevalent in PT19 but there are also a few teams like this in PT20.

[bailey]

Originally Posted by joehart

Agree but in this case we were with him in the Orcin league for quite a while and he won the league because of his strategy and skills in the game. He did not win with his wallet during all those seasons.

But I agree...there are lots of whales that can be beaten by much weaker teams because of poor strategy. It was more prevalent in PT19 but there are also a few teams like this in PT20.

Exactly. I just wanted a different experience. Been there, done that with team that used a little money, with teams that were/are F2P, an F2P team with a written dynasty, a $100 packs on day 1 disaster, but turning over to the AI led to a gold level championship and stagnation in diamond!, and now a whale of a team. I really wanted to gear up for those open tournaments to win the rare cards against the best teams in the PT universe, not this mickey mouse climb up the ladder. However, I am enjoying tracking the PP rolling in. For example, currently, Cy Young has 2 strikeout lead in that category over Utah's Bob Feller with each pitcher having 1 start remaining. The OP's team can do me a big favor by knocking out Bob Feller early. This is for the pitching triple crown for Cy Young, so things are interesting. Both pitchers are perfects. The OP was complaining about my team, but did not notice that Utah who has won his division is a former perfect level team scrumming in silver. But it was MY team that spoiled his fun.

[Findest2001]

Originally Posted by bailey

Exactly. I just wanted a different experience. Been there, done that with team that used a little money, with teams that were/are F2P, an F2P team with a written dynasty, a $100 packs on day 1 disaster, but turning over to the AI led to a gold level championship and stagnation in diamond!, and now a whale of a team. I really wanted to gear up for those open tournaments to win the rare cards against the best teams in the PT universe, not this mickey mouse climb up the ladder. However, I am enjoying tracking the PP rolling in. For example, currently, Cy Young has 2 strikeout lead in that category over Utah's Bob Feller with each pitcher having 1 start remaining. The OP's team can do me a big favor by knocking out Bob Feller early. This is for the pitching triple crown for Cy Young, so things are interesting. Both pitchers are perfects. The OP was complaining about my team, but did not notice that Utah who has won his division is a former perfect level team scrumming in silver. But it was MY team that spoiled his fun.

Thanks for letting me know about the pitching achievement. Ill do what I can to help.

EDIT There ya go. There's your triple crown.

[Mat]

I am curious.

Why do you repeat over and over in the beginning of this thread that you have been struggling through 7 seasons of this?

Lake City (.543) 5 seasons
Kings Landing (.575) 5 seasons
Pennsylvania (.597) 4 seasons

[Findest2001]

Originally Posted by Mat

I am curious.

Why do you repeat over and over in the beginning of this thread that you have been struggling through 7 seasons of this?

Lake City (.543) 5 seasons
Kings Landing (.575) 5 seasons
Pennsylvania (.597) 4 seasons

Kings landings all 6 seasons including the current season were like this and the last 2 of Lake City have been as well including one with 6 whales in which 3 were in my division (last week). The PPP have "only" seen this twice but that was their first 2 seasons so Im not even counting those. Im only referring to consecutive seasons of this. With this season being the most lopsided.

[HRBaker]

Findest, PLEASE. We all have our challenges and many of us (me included) have struggled through what you dealing with. Do you see me constantly complaining about it? I put my head down and try again. I have said multiple times I wish one change would be made - promote based on Wins - I think that would move the whales up faster - but it's not my game... the Devs I'm sure have heard it many times, and repeating your experiences (which again are the same as ours) isn't going to do anything but irritate people.

Yes, I remember you saying if you can't complain here where can you - but your posts have become a constant and repeated "I can't win because..." thread. I really want to see you enjoy this game, and I'm not trying to be a bitch about it - but at some point the folks here are just going to ignore you.

Be constructive. Word your posts as ideas and concepts rather that moaning about the way it is now. I hope you read this post twice.

[Findest2001]

Originally Posted by HRBaker

Findest, PLEASE. We all have our challenges and many of us (me included) have struggled through what you dealing with. Do you see me constantly complaining about it? I put my head down and try again. I have said multiple times I wish one change would be made - promote based on Wins - I think that would move the whales up faster - but it's not my game... the Devs I'm sure have heard it many times, and repeating your experiences (which again are the same as ours) isn't going to do anything but irritate people.

Yes, I remember you saying if you can't complain here where can you - but your posts have become a constant and repeated "I can't win because..." thread. I really want to see you enjoy this game, and I'm not trying to be a bitch about it - but at some point the folks here are just going to ignore you.

Be constructive. Word your posts as ideas and concepts rather that moaning about the way it is now. I hope you read this post twice.

I answered a question, apologized, and answered another question, and even did what I could to help out the "team in question" in my last 5 or 6 posts. I haven't posted anything negative or should be construed whiney in like 2 days. The last post answered a direct question. Nothing more.

[mcdog512]

I think I’d prefer teams be seeded by some strength algorithm as opposed to promotion/relegation. I’d base it on maybe the top 30 cards and I’d count inactive cards so teams couldn’t hide players. Then a tanker would need to actually sell his players to get seeded in Iron. In addition, if a team comes out of the entry pool and buys a bunch of historical perfects they’d spend 1 season in Iron pounding the heck out of everyone and then the following week they’d find themselves in perfect league.