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Old 07-01-2015, 06:16 AM   #101
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I changed to 1 year per Markus suggestion.

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Remaining Years....

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One of the issues seems to be OOTP does not provide defensive ratings per Lahman Database. I have players not rated at any position!

Are they getting rated at positions they played that year but they are not being displayed? That makes it hard to set up a lineup or a depth chart....
I'd like to see a screenshot of this. i only play historical using the setup you have and I can;t name anyone on my roster that is not rated for a position unless they are way past their prime or did not play ML that season, using the Spritze DB.
Did you do something and then not run a rescout or are you in preseason in your 1st year?
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Old 07-04-2015, 11:34 PM   #102
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I'd like to see a screenshot of this. i only play historical using the setup you have and I can;t name anyone on my roster that is not rated for a position unless they are way past their prime or did not play ML that season, using the Spritze DB.
Did you do something and then not run a rescout or are you in preseason in your 1st year?
Under 'next release' thread I have posted several screen shots. I have been working with OOTP folks and we think it comes down to scouting. I have scouting enabled and at 100% but for some reason, some scouts are not assigning defensive ratings to players who actually played a lot of games at a position in real life that season - great example is Bill Joyce - 1897 -

Bill Joyce Statistics and History | Baseball-Reference.com

He played 107 games at 3B, 968 innings. Played 2 games, 21 innings, at 1B. Scouting gave him a rating of 5 (on 1-100 scale) at 1B and no rating at 3B.

I have asked OOTP folks for several 'tweaks' to OOTP17

1) Make sure scouting assigns a rating to every position the player played in real life that year.

2) A setting to set a 'threshold' where a player can not play a position he is not rated at least the amount of the setting. This turns some folks into pinch hitters and pinch runners and in the 1970s DHs...

3) Maybe make the setting work 2 ways? a) global minimum setting and b) on a manager by manager basis where some managers and bench coaches may have a higher value than others, putting more emphasis on defense than others, but no one below global minimum can play a position not qualified for.

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Old 07-04-2015, 11:39 PM   #103
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I'd like to see a screenshot of this. i only play historical using the setup you have and I can;t name anyone on my roster that is not rated for a position unless they are way past their prime or did not play ML that season, using the Spritze DB.
Did you do something and then not run a rescout or are you in preseason in your 1st year?
My money is on "weird setup."
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Well, the average OOTP user...downloads the game, manages his favorite team and that's it.
According to OOTP itself, OOTP MLB play (modern and historical) outnumbers OOTP fictional play three to one.

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Old 07-05-2015, 12:02 AM   #104
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My money is on "weird setup."
No, no 'weird setup'

We have reproduced what is taking place.

For some reason, even though Lahman DB (stats) fielding csvs has
player ID with positions and games that match baseball reference,
randomly, some of those players are not getting defensive ratings for
positions they played that year when scouting is enabled, even when scouting is set to 100%

Actually easy to reproduce but have to look for it because it will be different players from year to year or even same year depending on scout of team that player is on.

Turn off scouting and problem 'goes away'. i.e. create a new league in 1897, turn scouting off and look at Bill Joyce and his ratings are there for 3B and 1B

Turn scouting on, put him on a roster, rescout, and his 3B, 1B or both may go away depending on the scout, even with scouting set at 100% Or it may not happen to Bill Joyce or to someone else....

In 1895 it was Joe D Sullivan - played 89 games at SS but does not get a rating at SS that year.

It seems to happens to a handful of players each season....
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1 year range for historical ratings and scouting set to 100%
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Old 07-05-2015, 10:11 AM   #106
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No, no 'weird setup'

We have reproduced what is taking place.

For some reason, even though Lahman DB (stats) fielding csvs has
player ID with positions and games that match baseball reference,
randomly, some of those players are not getting defensive ratings for
positions they played that year when scouting is enabled, even when scouting is set to 100%

Actually easy to reproduce but have to look for it because it will be different players from year to year or even same year depending on scout of team that player is on.

Turn off scouting and problem 'goes away'. i.e. create a new league in 1897, turn scouting off and look at Bill Joyce and his ratings are there for 3B and 1B

Turn scouting on, put him on a roster, rescout, and his 3B, 1B or both may go away depending on the scout, even with scouting set at 100% Or it may not happen to Bill Joyce or to someone else....

In 1895 it was Joe D Sullivan - played 89 games at SS but does not get a rating at SS that year.

It seems to happens to a handful of players each season....
Hey, by the way, in the file you sent me, you had scouting set at "Normal" accuracy, not 100%. I did check a few guys, and 100% showed me the same numbers as scouting off, as expected.

We will still look into the other issue, where if you have scouting on a player will sometimes play at a position you don't see a rating for but who would have a rating if you were playing with scouts off, but that fix won't come into the maintenance patch, more likely we can try to get that for next year.
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Old 07-05-2015, 12:23 PM   #107
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No, no 'weird setup'

We have reproduced what is taking place.

For some reason, even though Lahman DB (stats) fielding csvs has
player ID with positions and games that match baseball reference,
randomly, some of those players are not getting defensive ratings for
positions they played that year when scouting is enabled, even when scouting is set to 100%

Actually easy to reproduce but have to look for it because it will be different players from year to year or even same year depending on scout of team that player is on.

Turn off scouting and problem 'goes away'. i.e. create a new league in 1897, turn scouting off and look at Bill Joyce and his ratings are there for 3B and 1B

Turn scouting on, put him on a roster, rescout, and his 3B, 1B or both may go away depending on the scout, even with scouting set at 100% Or it may not happen to Bill Joyce or to someone else....

In 1895 it was Joe D Sullivan - played 89 games at SS but does not get a rating at SS that year.

It seems to happens to a handful of players each season....
Whioch DB are you using? Spritze mentioned something about the Lahman DB not having fielding stats for some Negro League players, so I doubt this applies to you i would imagine the default or Spritze DB have thie fielding stats.
While OOTP should do a better job of a defensive replacement when teh starter gets injured, sometimes they dont have that option. In the 1st year of my new league, Alan Ashby played 8 innings at 2B in 2000 ( i use career fielding) Had to be due to injury and lack of another defensive option. i dont see it as that big of a deal. Not saying you shouldn't but there are reasons why the AI does this and its not like it's 200 players a year that do this. i have found 21 players in my EBL league and so far 11 in 1st year of a RD league. C playing 2B is the worst one. i used Mark Grace at 2B for 4 innings in game in year 1. After Hornsby was injured and and i had pulled Grebeck, who was my only bench IF, already in an extra inning game.
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Hey, by the way, in the file you sent me, you had scouting set at "Normal" accuracy, not 100%. I did check a few guys, and 100% showed me the same numbers as scouting off, as expected.

We will still look into the other issue, where if you have scouting on a player will sometimes play at a position you don't see a rating for but who would have a rating if you were playing with scouts off, but that fix won't come into the maintenance patch, more likely we can try to get that for next year.
That makes perfect sense.
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1895 - Joe D Sullivan

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1 year range for historical ratings and scouting set to 100%
Not sure why my Sully does not have any OF rating. i see why his SS rating is so bad though. This was quick setup so not sure which DB i am using.
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Year Tm Lg Age Pos G GS CG Inn
1893 WHS NL 23 SS 128 1114.0
1894 TOT NL 24 SS 83 711.0
1894 WHS NL 24 2B 8 70.0
1894 WHS NL 24 SS 6 40.0
1894 WHS NL 24 3B 1 12.0
1894 WHS NL 24 OF 1 2.0
1894 PHI NL 24 SS 77 671.0
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Thanks Matt and everyone else :-)

I am corrected - Matt, you are right - 100% is same as none, I had tried 100%, high, and other settings. I like normal because of the variety different scouts see in the same player. :-)

For OOTP18 can we make sure, regardless of scout setting, that players get some defensive rating for positions they have played in 'real life'?

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Top of the ninth in a tie game. AI pinch hits for the catcher in the seven spot with Baltz. Then it pinch hits for the pitcher in the nine spot with the backup catcher, Hedges who hits a 2 run homer to give them the lead. Then to start the bottom of the ninth it puts the closer in the nine spot, removing the backup catcher and plays Baltz at catcher.
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Top of the ninth in a tie game. AI pinch hits for the catcher in the seven spot with Baltz. Then it pinch hits for the pitcher in the nine spot with the backup catcher, Hedges who hits a 2 run homer to give them the lead. Then to start the bottom of the ninth it puts the closer in the nine spot, removing the backup catcher and plays Baltz at catcher.
I have started a thread "AI Thread" so we can document examples like this in one location....
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