Detroit Tigers 2013-14 Off-season thread - Page 6

jbergey22 · 11-21-2013, 01:41 AM

Kinsler is 31, Prince is 29. Kinsler is signed until he is 35 at around 17 million per year(buyout included). Prince will be signed until he is 36 at 19.8 million per year(what the rangers are paying).

Its hard to project how either will age but being two years younger, being similar in production, and being signed until around the same ago doesnt reflect either side getting the "heavily favored" side of the deal. If anything the 2 years of being closer to peak years might actually make the monetary value in this trade almost equal.

Good trade for both teams. I think they will both be better next year because of it. A trade is rarely that good.

David Watts · 11-21-2013, 09:05 AM

Long time before the season starts, but I sure like this batting order

Kinsler
Cabrera
Martinez
Hunter
Dirks
Castellanos
Jackson
Avila
Iglesius

I think Hunter could drive in 100+.

DamPenguin · 11-21-2013, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Watts

Long time before the season starts, but I sure like this batting order

Kinsler
Cabrera
Martinez
Hunter
Dirks
Castellanos
Jackson
Avila
Iglesius

I think Hunter could drive in 100+.

I'd keep Cabrera in the third slot:

Kinsler
Hunter/Dirks
Cabrera
Martinez
Dirks/Hunter
Castellanos
Jackson
Avila
Iglesius

In an ideal world Iglesius will bat like Vizquel and we could move him into that 2nd slot... a guy can dream right?

David Watts · 11-21-2013, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamPenguin

I'd keep Cabrera in the third slot:

Kinsler
Hunter/Dirks
Cabrera
Martinez
Dirks/Hunter
Castellanos
Jackson
Avila
Iglesius

In an ideal world Iglesius will bat like Vizquel and we could move him into that 2nd slot... a guy can dream right?

I keep hearing all the stat heads say "bat your best hitter #2" Would love to see the results and if it really works.

jbergey22 · 11-21-2013, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamPenguin

I'd keep Cabrera in the third slot:

Kinsler
Hunter/Dirks
Cabrera
Martinez
Dirks/Hunter
Castellanos
Jackson
Avila
Iglesius

In an ideal world Iglesius will bat like Vizquel and we could move him into that 2nd slot... a guy can dream right?

Dirks needs to find a new home. The inning killer doesnt need another chance to see if he can actually hit.

cephasjames · 11-21-2013, 04:02 PM

I think LF and closer are the two main positions DD is going to fill. Dirks will not be the starting LF next year.

cephasjames · 11-22-2013, 11:49 AM

Tigers reach one-year contract with Coke | tigers.com: News

The title of the article says it all.

RandyTiger · 11-22-2013, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by cephasjames

Tigers reach one-year contract with Coke | tigers.com: News

The title of the article says it all.

*Groan* That just ruined my day. Where's the antacids?

Another year of watching that clown blow games.

CONN CHRIS · 11-22-2013, 12:14 PM

The Fielder deal 'should' dramatically improve the defense at three infield positions. The question is, does the Coke deal undo most of that.

DD, pick up a Pepsi habit!

DamPenguin · 11-27-2013, 06:00 PM

I miss you Randy!!! Please come back !!!

RandyTiger · 11-28-2013, 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamPenguin

I miss you Randy!!! Please come back !!!

Never left, but thanks DP - just been a bit too ill to do much more than just read lately. Plan to resume my stat posting in a day or two, when I can sit up for more than an hour.

Happy Thanksgiving to my US buddies.

David Watts · 12-02-2013, 09:13 PM

Ugh! I love me some Fister. Sad to see him go. Hope the young arms turn into stars.

cephasjames · 12-02-2013, 10:03 PM

Wow! These are some kind of painful trades this off season. Next year's team
Is going to look different.

Lukas Berger · 12-03-2013, 01:38 AM

What on earth is Dombroski thinking with the Fister trade?

I'd say that may be the most incomprehensible/indefensible MLB trade since the Mets traded Kazmir for Victor Zambrano. Yikes! I feel bad for all the Tigers fans around here.

cephasjames · 12-03-2013, 08:33 AM

My guess is DD feels comfortable enough with the idea of a Verlander, Scherzer, Sanchez, Porcello, and Smyly rotation that he's willing to get rid of Fister for potentially good bullpen help, a semi-super utility guy, and a future starter.

I knew Fister and Porcello were available for trade, but I was hoping to get something a bit more solid in return. Then again, maybe they are solid but we just don't know it yet.

David Watts · 12-03-2013, 08:43 AM

In other news, the Tigers did avoid arbitration with Don Kelly, signing him to a one year deal. I feel so warm and fuzzy just knowing we didn't allow the greatness of Coke and Kelly to slip away.

jbergey22 · 12-03-2013, 02:06 PM

You signed Joe Nathan today for 2 years.

I agree that trading Fister made no sense. I cant figure out what the idea behind that was.

CONN CHRIS · 12-04-2013, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Watts

In other news, the Tigers did avoid arbitration with Don Kelly, signing him to a one year deal. I feel so warm and fuzzy just knowing we didn't allow the greatness of Coke and Kelly to slip away.

Now if they can only lock up Dirks long term, we'll really have something.

CONN CHRIS · 12-05-2013, 09:09 AM

I really don't like the notion of renting a closer at the tail end of a great career. Too much money and too much risk.

I wasn't too hot on signing Tori Hunter either though so what do I know!

David Watts · 12-05-2013, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

I really don't like the notion of renting a closer at the tail end of a great career. Too much money and too much risk.

I wasn't too hot on signing Tori Hunter either though so what do I know!

Scares me as well, but Nathan had a nice year last season, so let's keep our fingers crossed. Also hoping Nathan is the type of guy that doesn't mind doing a little mentoring/coaching. If he can take Rondon and teach him all he knows about being a closer, this may very well turn out to be a lot more than a 2 year rental.

If it was a choice between Nathan and "The Beard" I think I'm taking Nathan. I was kind of hoping for Balfour, but if you go over to the A's board, you will see that he has tons of issues as well. Closers are so hard to predict.

11-21-2013, 01:41 AM	#101
jbergey22 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,481	Kinsler is 31, Prince is 29. Kinsler is signed until he is 35 at around 17 million per year(buyout included). Prince will be signed until he is 36 at 19.8 million per year(what the rangers are paying). Its hard to project how either will age but being two years younger, being similar in production, and being signed until around the same ago doesnt reflect either side getting the "heavily favored" side of the deal. If anything the 2 years of being closer to peak years might actually make the monetary value in this trade almost equal. Good trade for both teams. I think they will both be better next year because of it. A trade is rarely that good. Last edited by jbergey22; 11-21-2013 at 02:01 AM.

11-21-2013, 04:02 PM	#106
cephasjames Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 8,736	I think LF and closer are the two main positions DD is going to fill. Dirks will not be the starting LF next year. __________________ 5000+ Generic Logos Free for the Taking FREE: Uniforms and logos for 500+ teams spanning 1871-present Great Lakes League: 10 Conferences, 100 Teams Pre-OOTP 23 Custom Cap & Jersey Template v3.0 by Deft and NoPepper (with layers from other various artists) that I use: Caps, Jerseys

11-22-2013, 11:49 AM	#107
cephasjames Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 8,736	Tigers reach one-year contract with Coke \| tigers.com: News The title of the article says it all. __________________ 5000+ Generic Logos Free for the Taking FREE: Uniforms and logos for 500+ teams spanning 1871-present Great Lakes League: 10 Conferences, 100 Teams Pre-OOTP 23 Custom Cap & Jersey Template v3.0 by Deft and NoPepper (with layers from other various artists) that I use: Caps, Jerseys

11-22-2013, 12:14 PM	#109
CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 28,874	The Fielder deal 'should' dramatically improve the defense at three infield positions. The question is, does the Coke deal undo most of that. DD, pick up a Pepsi habit! __________________ Check Out My Cards!

12-02-2013, 10:03 PM	#113
cephasjames Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 8,736	Wow! These are some kind of painful trades this off season. Next year's team Is going to look different. __________________ 5000+ Generic Logos Free for the Taking FREE: Uniforms and logos for 500+ teams spanning 1871-present Great Lakes League: 10 Conferences, 100 Teams Pre-OOTP 23 Custom Cap & Jersey Template v3.0 by Deft and NoPepper (with layers from other various artists) that I use: Caps, Jerseys Last edited by cephasjames; 12-02-2013 at 10:05 PM.

11-21-2013, 09:05 AM	#102
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,651 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Long time before the season starts, but I sure like this batting order Kinsler Cabrera Martinez Hunter Dirks Castellanos Jackson Avila Iglesius I think Hunter could drive in 100+.

11-27-2013, 06:00 PM	#110
DamPenguin All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 587	I miss you Randy!!! Please come back !!!

12-02-2013, 09:13 PM	#112
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,651 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Ugh! I love me some Fister. Sad to see him go. Hope the young arms turn into stars.

12-03-2013, 01:38 AM	#114
Lukas Berger OOTP Developments Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Nice, Côte d'Azur, France Posts: 21,284	What on earth is Dombroski thinking with the Fister trade? I'd say that may be the most incomprehensible/indefensible MLB trade since the Mets traded Kazmir for Victor Zambrano. Yikes! I feel bad for all the Tigers fans around here.

12-03-2013, 08:33 AM	#115
cephasjames Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 8,736	My guess is DD feels comfortable enough with the idea of a Verlander, Scherzer, Sanchez, Porcello, and Smyly rotation that he's willing to get rid of Fister for potentially good bullpen help, a semi-super utility guy, and a future starter. I knew Fister and Porcello were available for trade, but I was hoping to get something a bit more solid in return. Then again, maybe they are solid but we just don't know it yet. __________________ 5000+ Generic Logos Free for the Taking FREE: Uniforms and logos for 500+ teams spanning 1871-present Great Lakes League: 10 Conferences, 100 Teams Pre-OOTP 23 Custom Cap & Jersey Template v3.0 by Deft and NoPepper (with layers from other various artists) that I use: Caps, Jerseys

12-03-2013, 08:43 AM	#116
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 9,651 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	In other news, the Tigers did avoid arbitration with Don Kelly, signing him to a one year deal. I feel so warm and fuzzy just knowing we didn't allow the greatness of Coke and Kelly to slip away.

12-03-2013, 02:06 PM	#117
jbergey22 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,481	You signed Joe Nathan today for 2 years. I agree that trading Fister made no sense. I cant figure out what the idea behind that was.

12-05-2013, 09:09 AM	#119
CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 28,874	I really don't like the notion of renting a closer at the tail end of a great career. Too much money and too much risk. I wasn't too hot on signing Tori Hunter either though so what do I know! __________________ Check Out My Cards!