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1963 - Oliva leads the league
With 39 home runs this season, Tony Oliva led the league for the first time. It's the second year in a row that Oliva has hit 39 homers and he now has 160 home runs at the age of 25. Oliva hit 220 home runs in real life, with a season high of 32. His power ratings have increased from 11 to 20 though, as he must have borrowed some power from Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, or someone else. Duke Snider retired with 259 home runs and became the seventh straight member of the 400 club to fail to hit 400 home runs in the replay. Let's take a closer look at who remains - Mickey Mantle - 32 years old and needs 70 home runs. Fragile is his middle name though, and he is coming off a season in which he hit .217 with 19 home runs. Mantle's high is 31 home runs, and will need 3-4 more solid seasons. Is this season a blip or the beginning of the end? I'd say he's got a 50-50 shot. Eddie Mathews, Willie Mays, and Ernie Banks are all 32 years old, and all need more than 150 home runs. There is virtually no chance that any of the three will get their based on their ratings. Harmon Killebrew - 27 years old and over half way to 400. Before last year he has avoided major injuries. Hit 20 this year and his high of 35 was 5 years ago. Even with 20 homers per year he should get there. Frank Robinson - one year old and halfway there as well. He's already missed a lot of time with injuries and lost some power. I'd be surprised if he gets there. Hank Aaron - at 29 years old he isn't even halfway to 400. His power never really developed despite a couple of promising years. He's durable, but he's no Hank Aaron, and he's going to go down as a bust. Willie McCovey - still just 25 years old and has 172 home runs. He's capable of 25-30 per year and should get there. Billy Williams, Carl Yastrzemski, and Willie Stargell - all three are 25 or younger, but have a long way to go. They've all shown signs they are capable of it, but it's still too early to tell, as I found out with Ted Williams. The 400 Club Active Members of the 400 Club Mickey Mantle (536) 330 Eddie Mathews (512) 248 Willie Mays (660) 220 Harmon Killebrew (573) 203 Frank Robinson (586) 200 Hank Aaron (755) 183 Willie McCovey (521) 172 Ernie Banks (512) 140 Billy Williams (426) 125 Carl Yastrzemski (452) 119 Willie Stargell (475) 101 Players to Debut (31) - next debut: 1965 - Reggie Jackson (563) Players who reached 400 club in replay, but not real life (9) - Mule Suttles (N/A) 559, Leroy Jones (0) 450, Willard Brown (1) 484, Charlie Gilbert (5) 433, Bob Lennon (1) 689, Carl Sawatski (58) 527, Tookie Gilbert (7) 531, Ted Kluszewski (279) 437, Ken Guettler (0) 454 Players who reached 400 club in real life, but not replay (7) - Babe Ruth (714) 351, Lou Gehrig (493) 290, Jimmie Foxx (534) 266, Ted Williams (521) 169, Mel Ott (511) 360, Stan Musial (475) 240, Duke Snider (407) 259 1963 Home Run Leaders 1. Tony Oliva-39 2. Jim McKnight-34 3. Bob Lennon-33 4. Tookie Gilbert-30 5. Jim Baxes-28 6. Billy Girdley-28 7. Willie McCovey-28 1963 Home Run Rookie Leader John Briggs-15 ----------------------------------------------- Season Home Run Leaders: 1. Bob Lennon (1956) 59 2. Bob Lennon (1950) 57 3. Bob Lennon (1961) 56 4. Bob Lennon (1962) 54 5. Bob Lennon (1957) 52 6. Bob Lennon (1958) 51 7. Leroy Jones (1929) 48 8. Bob Lennon (1953) 48 9. Charlie Gilbert (1943) 47 10. Mule Suttles (1937) 47 11. Tookie Gilbert (1961) 47 Season Home Run Rookie Leaders: 1. Ted Williams(1936) 29 2. Charlie Keller (1935) 28 3. Lou Gehrig (1921) 25 4. Yasumitsu Toyoda (1955) 25 5. Jim Pagliaroni (1956) 25 6. Bill White (1954) 24 7. Leo Shoals (1935) 21 8. Norm Cash (1954) 21 9. Larry Doby (1942) 20 10. Leon Wagner (1954) 20 Career Home Run Leaders: 1. Bob Lennon #-689 2. Mule Suttles -559 3. Tookie Gilbert #-531 4. Carl Sawatski #-527 5. Willard Brown -484 6. Ken Guettler #-454 7. Leroy Jones -450 8. Ted Kluszewski #-437 9. Charlie Gilbert -433 10. Hank Greenberg -399 11. Mel Ott -360 12. Ed Breckenridge - 355 13. Babe Ruth -351 14. Jim Baxes #-349 15. Don Eggert #-335 16. Mickey Mantle #-330 17. Joe Bauman-329 18. Hank Thompson #-327 19. Syl Simon -314 20. Claude Wilborn -298 21. Lou Gehrig -290 22. Yam Yaryan -281 23. Johnny Mize -275 24. Al Rosen -274 25. Alonso Perry -272 |
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Also--you mentioned somewhere that, despite many surprises when it comes to the development engine, Shoeless Joe and Eddie Collins always did well in a historical league with it on. How did they do here?
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![]() Collins really had two distinct halves to his career. For the first 10 years Collins was great, hitting .360+ a few years. A couple of injuries and he turned into a .280 hitter, then a .230 hitter, then a bench player. He did get 2820 hits and hit .303 for his career with 461 stolen bases, but his totals really were 90% from those first 10 excellent years. Shoeless Joe hit .306 for his career with 2003 career hits and 314 stolen bases. Injuries took a big toll though - back injury (4 months), concussion (5 months), radial nerve compression (5 months), back injury (5 months). |
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Pushing for Stargell to become first player in RL 400 club to be in replay. He's my favorite player of all time
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6/8/1964 - Lennon slams 700th
Bob Lennon hit the 700th home run of his career today, becoming the first play to reach 700 for his career, with the next closest the retired Mule Suttles with 559. There isn't much else to say about Lennon that I haven't already. I know that these types of things can happen with recalc off and talent change randomness, but his success combined with the failures of the real sluggers drives me nuts. |
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Maybe the problem has something to do with depth and the players in the league and on teams? In random debut games I've played with recalc off, what seems to happen often is that RL star players already have a player in front of them and they end up getting minimal playing time. Obviously this isn't random debut, but maybe it could have something to do with the Negro League players or pitchers.
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I thought that it was a lack of playing time in addition to a lot of injuries. Pretty much every successful player IRL has been limited by injuries. If you could lower the frequency of injuries and increase the amount of teams, then many problems would be solved(I think)
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I wonder if it also has to do with the same amount of yearly home runs being spread among more players with high HR ratings?
Anyway, I love this thread. I actually hope you don't tweak things to help the historical HR kings, just because this has gone so far off the rails that I'm curious to see who will be the first of the historical 400 club to make it in this game.
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Thanks. While a little disappointing it's a little fascinating to see how long this continues. But I do agree about not tweaking things yet. I feel like it's not fair to those who've gone before to change things midstream. I may make try to fix things later, but I'll definitely finish one time through first to see how things end up.
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1964 - Lennon back on top
Bob Lennon is back on top with 42 home runs, two more than Tony Oliva. Both Frank Robinson and Carl Yastrzemski missed almost two months with injury. The Big Klu, Ted Kluszewski retired with 437 career home runs, and is currently in 8th place on the all-time list. In real life he hit 279 home runs. Earl Averill debuted on the leaderboards with Alonso Perry (272) dropping off. The 400 Club Active Members of the 400 Club Mickey Mantle (536) 347 Eddie Mathews (512) 255 Willie Mays (660) 235 Harmon Killebrew (573) 229 Frank Robinson (586) 218 Willie McCovey (521) 196 Hank Aaron (755) 193 Ernie Banks (512) 142 Willie Stargell (475) 141 Billy Williams (426) 140 Carl Yastrzemski (452) 133 Players to Debut (31) - next debut: 1965 - Reggie Jackson (563) Players who reached 400 club in replay, but not real life (9) - Mule Suttles (N/A) 559, Leroy Jones (0) 450, Willard Brown (1) 484, Charlie Gilbert (5) 433, Bob Lennon (1) 731, Carl Sawatski (58) 533, Tookie Gilbert (7) 551, Ted Kluszewski (279) 437, Ken Guettler (0) 492 Players who reached 400 club in real life, but not replay (7) - Babe Ruth (714) 351, Lou Gehrig (493) 290, Jimmie Foxx (534) 266, Ted Williams (521) 169, Mel Ott (511) 360, Stan Musial (475) 240, Duke Snider (407) 259 1964 Home Run Leaders 1. Bob Lennon-42 2. Tony Oliva-40 3. Willie Stargell-40 4. Ken Guettler-38 5. Jimmie Schaffer-35 6. Roger Maris-34 7. Jim McKnight-31 1964 Home Run Rookie Leader Isao Harimoto-14 ----------------------------------------------- Season Home Run Leaders: 1. Bob Lennon (1956) 59 2. Bob Lennon (1950) 57 3. Bob Lennon (1961) 56 4. Bob Lennon (1962) 54 5. Bob Lennon (1957) 52 6. Bob Lennon (1958) 51 7. Leroy Jones (1929) 48 8. Bob Lennon (1953) 48 9. Charlie Gilbert (1943) 47 10. Mule Suttles (1937) 47 11. Tookie Gilbert (1961) 47 Season Home Run Rookie Leaders: 1. Ted Williams(1936) 29 2. Charlie Keller (1935) 28 3. Lou Gehrig (1921) 25 4. Yasumitsu Toyoda (1955) 25 5. Jim Pagliaroni (1956) 25 6. Bill White (1954) 24 7. Leo Shoals (1935) 21 8. Norm Cash (1954) 21 9. Larry Doby (1942) 20 10. Leon Wagner (1954) 20 Career Home Run Leaders: 1. Bob Lennon #-731 2. Mule Suttles -559 3. Tookie Gilbert #-551 4. Carl Sawatski #-533 5. Ken Guettler #-492 6. Willard Brown -484 7. Leroy Jones -450 8. Ted Kluszewski -437 9. Charlie Gilbert -433 10. Hank Greenberg -399 11. Mel Ott -360 12. Jim Baxes #-356 13. Ed Breckenridge - 355 14. Babe Ruth -351 15. Mickey Mantle #-347 16. Don Eggert #-343 17. Joe Bauman-329 18. Hank Thompson #-334 19. Syl Simon -314 20. Claude Wilborn -298 21. Lou Gehrig -290 22. Earl Averill #-289 23. Yam Yaryan -281 24. Johnny Mize -275 25. Al Rosen -274 |
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6/30/1965 - Guettler hits 500th
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1965 - Tresch on top
Tom Tresch hit 38 home runs this year to lead the league for the first time in his career. Ken Guettler retired from baseball with 510 career home runs, fifth place on the all-time list. The 400 Club Active Members of the 400 Club Mickey Mantle (536) 360 Eddie Mathews (512) 267 Harmon Killebrew (573) 254 Frank Robinson (586) 244 Willie Mays (660) 243 Willie McCovey (521) 220 Hank Aaron (755) 193 Willie Stargell (475) 157 Billy Williams (426) 156 Carl Yastrzemski (452) 156 Ernie Banks (512) 142 Reggie Jackson (563) 13 Players to Debut (30) - next debut: 1966 - Darrell Evans (414) Players who reached 400 club in replay, but not real life (9) - Mule Suttles (N/A) 559, Leroy Jones (0) 450, Willard Brown (1) 484, Charlie Gilbert (5) 433, Bob Lennon (1) 746, Carl Sawatski (58) 534, Tookie Gilbert (7) 585, Ted Kluszewski (279) 437, Ken Guettler (0) 510 Players who reached 400 club in real life, but not replay (7) - Babe Ruth (714) 351, Lou Gehrig (493) 290, Jimmie Foxx (534) 266, Ted Williams (521) 169, Mel Ott (511) 360, Stan Musial (475) 240, Duke Snider (407) 259 1965 Home Run Leaders 1. Tom Tresh-38 2. Jimmie Schaffer-37 3. Tookie Gilbert-34 4. Tony Oliva-30 5. Roger Maris-29 6. Russ Nagelson-26 7. Frank Robinson-26 1965 Home Run Rookie Leader Bobby Bonds/Joe Hague-18 ----------------------------------------------- Season Home Run Leaders: 1. Bob Lennon (1956) 59 2. Bob Lennon (1950) 57 3. Bob Lennon (1961) 56 4. Bob Lennon (1962) 54 5. Bob Lennon (1957) 52 6. Bob Lennon (1958) 51 7. Leroy Jones (1929) 48 8. Bob Lennon (1953) 48 9. Charlie Gilbert (1943) 47 10. Mule Suttles (1937) 47 11. Tookie Gilbert (1961) 47 Season Home Run Rookie Leaders: 1. Ted Williams(1936) 29 2. Charlie Keller (1935) 28 3. Lou Gehrig (1921) 25 4. Yasumitsu Toyoda (1955) 25 5. Jim Pagliaroni (1956) 25 6. Bill White (1954) 24 7. Leo Shoals (1935) 21 8. Norm Cash (1954) 21 9. Larry Doby (1942) 20 10. Leon Wagner (1954) 20 Career Home Run Leaders: 1. Bob Lennon #-746 2. Tookie Gilbert #-585 3. Mule Suttles -559 4. Carl Sawatski #-534 5. Ken Guettler -510 6. Willard Brown -484 7. Leroy Jones -450 8. Ted Kluszewski -437 9. Charlie Gilbert -433 10. Hank Greenberg -399 11. Jim Baxes #-362 12. Mickey Mantle #-360 13. Mel Ott -360 14. Ed Breckenridge - 355 15. Don Eggert #-353 16. Babe Ruth -351 17. Joe Bauman-329 18. Hank Thompson #-334 19. Syl Simon -314 20. Earl Averill #-311 21. Claude Wilborn -298 22. Lou Gehrig -290 23. Yam Yaryan -281 24. Johnny Mize -275 25. Al Rosen -274 |
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7/31/1966- Gilbert slams number 600
Tookie Gilbert became just second player in baseball to hit 600 home runs in his career. Who needs Aaron and Ruth when you've got Bob Lennon and Tookie Gilbert? |
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I think the situation will get better in the 80s and 90s and 00s, where we at least can recognize the players who hit 400, even if they didn't hit 400 in real life.
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1966 - Oliva leads the way
Tony Oliva led the league with 46 home runs this year, but the biggest news this year was the retirements from baseball. The home run king, Bob Lennon retired from baseball with 746 career home runs. Lennon led the league in home runs 11 times, and hit 50 or more 6 times playing the role of Hank Aaron to Mule Suttles version of Babe Ruth. Carl Sawatski also retired with 534 home runs, currently in fourth place on the all-time list, and Jim Baxes retired with 362 home runs. Baxes hit 17 in his real life career. Ernie Banks retired with 142 home runs, far short of his 512 career home runs, and bust number 8 of the actual 400 home run club. Jim Command and Tony Oliva are now on the career home run leaders, with Johnny Mize (275) and Al Rosen (274) off. The 400 Club Active Members of the 400 Club Mickey Mantle (536) 374 Harmon Killebrew (573) 268 Eddie Mathews (512) 267 Willie Mays (660) 249 Frank Robinson (586) 246 Willie McCovey (521) 239 Hank Aaron (755) 193 Willie Stargell (475) 179 Billy Williams (426) 172 Carl Yastrzemski (452) 157 Reggie Jackson (563) 42 Darrell Evans (414) 10 Players to Debut (29) - next debut: 1967 - Dave Kingman (442) Players who reached 400 club in replay, but not real life (9) - Mule Suttles (N/A) 559, Leroy Jones (0) 450, Willard Brown (1) 484, Charlie Gilbert (5) 433, Bob Lennon (1) 746, Carl Sawatski (58) 534, Tookie Gilbert (7) 604, Ted Kluszewski (279) 437, Ken Guettler (0) 510 Players who reached 400 club in real life, but not replay (8) - Babe Ruth (714) 351, Lou Gehrig (493) 290, Jimmie Foxx (534) 266, Ted Williams (521) 169, Mel Ott (511) 360, Stan Musial (475) 240, Duke Snider (407) 259, Ernie Banks (512) 142 1966 Home Run Leaders 1. Tony Oliva-46 2. Frank Robinson-39 3. Joe Hague-33 4. Frank Leja-31 5. Rick Monday-31 6. Jimmie Schaffer-31 7. Reggie Jackson-29 1966 Home Run Rookie Leader Masashi Takenouchi-25 ----------------------------------------------- Season Home Run Leaders: 1. Bob Lennon (1956) 59 2. Bob Lennon (1950) 57 3. Bob Lennon (1961) 56 4. Bob Lennon (1962) 54 5. Bob Lennon (1957) 52 6. Bob Lennon (1958) 51 7. Leroy Jones (1929) 48 8. Bob Lennon (1953) 48 9. Charlie Gilbert (1943) 47 10. Mule Suttles (1937) 47 11. Tookie Gilbert (1961) 47 Season Home Run Rookie Leaders: 1. Ted Williams(1936) 29 2. Charlie Keller (1935) 28 3. Lou Gehrig (1921) 25 4. Yasumitsu Toyoda (1955) 25 5. Jim Pagliaroni (1956) 25 6. Masashi Takenouchi (1966)-25 7. Bill White (1954) 24 8. Leo Shoals (1935) 21 9. Norm Cash (1954) 21 10. Larry Doby (1942) 20 11. Leon Wagner (1954) 20 Career Home Run Leaders: 1. Bob Lennon -746 2. Tookie Gilbert #-604 3. Mule Suttles -559 4. Carl Sawatski -534 5. Ken Guettler -510 6. Willard Brown -484 7. Leroy Jones -450 8. Ted Kluszewski -437 9. Charlie Gilbert -433 10. Hank Greenberg -399 11. Mickey Mantle #-374 12. Don Eggert #-363 13. Jim Baxes -362 14. Mel Ott -360 15. Ed Breckenridge - 355 16. Babe Ruth -351 17. Joe Bauman-329 18. Hank Thompson #-334 19. Earl Averill #-323 20. Syl Simon -314 21. Claude Wilborn -298 22. Lou Gehrig -290 23. Jim Command #-289 24. Yam Yaryan -281 25. Tony Oliva #-276 |
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1967 - Oliva leads again
Tony Oliva led the league for the second straight year with 38 home runs. It’s the sixth straight year in which he hit 30 or more home runs. Eddie Mathews makes it 0-9 as he retired with 267 home runs. Mathews his 512 in real life. Don Eggert also retired with 365 home runs. Eggert hit 132 home runs in the minor leagues. Frank Howard made his debut on the career leaders, with Yam Yaryan falling off. Mickey Mantle hit just 5 home runs this year, leaving him 21 home runs short. It looks like it will be a close race between Mantle and Mays to see who retires first and gets to be labeled failure number 10. Of course the wildcard is Hank Aaron, who despite being just 33 is just about done, getting only 17 at bats this year. One of the most promising of the group, Willie Stargell had an injury shortened year for the third year in a row, and with totals like 16, 22, and 16 that likely won't cut it. The 400 Club Active Members of the 400 Club Mickey Mantle (536) 379 Harmon Killebrew (573) 288 Willie McCovey (521) 263 Frank Robinson (586) 255 Willie Mays (660) 249 Willie Stargell (475) 195 Hank Aaron (755) 193 Billy Williams (426) 178 Carl Yastrzemski (452) 175 Reggie Jackson (563) 68 Darrell Evans (414) 21 Dave Kingman (442) 0 Players to Debut (28) - next debut: 1968 - Mike Schmidt (548) Players who reached 400 club in replay, but not real life (9) - Mule Suttles (N/A) 559, Leroy Jones (0) 450, Willard Brown (1) 484, Charlie Gilbert (5) 433, Bob Lennon (1) 746, Carl Sawatski (58) 534, Tookie Gilbert (7) 604, Ted Kluszewski (279) 437, Ken Guettler (0) 510 Players who reached 400 club in real life, but not replay (9) - Babe Ruth (714) 351, Lou Gehrig (493) 290, Jimmie Foxx (534) 266, Ted Williams (521) 169, Mel Ott (511) 360, Stan Musial (475) 240, Duke Snider (407) 259, Ernie Banks (512) 142, Eddie Mathews (512) 267 1967 Home Run Leaders 1. Tony Oliva-38 2. Masao Tokaji-30 3. Joe Hague-29 4. Kazuhiro Ishiguro-29 5. Rick Monday-28 6. Tom Robson-28 7. Ron Allen-27 1967 Home Run Rookie Leader Leron Lee-18 ----------------------------------------------- Season Home Run Leaders: 1. Bob Lennon (1956) 59 2. Bob Lennon (1950) 57 3. Bob Lennon (1961) 56 4. Bob Lennon (1962) 54 5. Bob Lennon (1957) 52 6. Bob Lennon (1958) 51 7. Leroy Jones (1929) 48 8. Bob Lennon (1953) 48 9. Charlie Gilbert (1943) 47 10. Mule Suttles (1937) 47 11. Tookie Gilbert (1961) 47 Season Home Run Rookie Leaders: 1. Ted Williams(1936) 29 2. Charlie Keller (1935) 28 3. Lou Gehrig (1921) 25 4. Yasumitsu Toyoda (1955) 25 5. Jim Pagliaroni (1956) 25 6. Masashi Takenouchi (1966)-25 7. Bill White (1954) 24 8. Leo Shoals (1935) 21 9. Norm Cash (1954) 21 10. Larry Doby (1942) 20 11. Leon Wagner (1954) 20 Career Home Run Leaders: 1. Bob Lennon -746 2. Tookie Gilbert #-624 3. Mule Suttles -559 4. Carl Sawatski -534 5. Ken Guettler -510 6. Willard Brown -484 7. Leroy Jones -450 8. Ted Kluszewski -437 9. Charlie Gilbert -433 10. Hank Greenberg -399 11. Mickey Mantle #-379 12. Don Eggert -365 13. Jim Baxes -362 14. Mel Ott -360 15. Ed Breckenridge - 355 16. Babe Ruth -351 17. Earl Averill #-344 18. Hank Thompson #-334 19. Joe Bauman-329 20. Tony Oliva #-314 21. Syl Simon -314 22. Frank Howard #-300 23. Claude Wilborn -298 24. Jim Command #-292 25. Lou Gehrig -290 |
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