OOTP 11 - Interface navigation poll! - Page 6

Killing Time · 10-29-2009, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bosunmate

I read it and thought it was funny. I don't think it was meant as a dig

It wasn't, but some people are grouchy and overreact.

conception · 10-29-2009, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by phenom

Smiling smilies, maybe, not rolleyes.

Its entirely possible that the rolling eyes weren't even factored in, as its hard to notice. Until you said something, I never even noticed that that particular smiley face even rolled its eyes.

White Sox · 10-29-2009, 10:33 PM

Although I voted quite some time ago for this, choosing both Forward/back buttons and Icons at the bottom as the features I use most, I must say that the more I play this game, the more I find the "Recent" menu being an invaluable navigation tool. Just throwing that out there.

JadedMsFan · 11-20-2009, 01:53 PM

My dream would be to use the forward/back buttons on my mouse to move through OOTP. I never thought I'd use them that much browsing the web, but once you have them you'll never go back. It would be awesome if OOTP had the same thing.

I use bookmarks because the F# keys are the only keyboard shortcuts in the game.* More keyboard and mouse shortcuts are definitely on my OOTP wishlist.

* -- One thing I noticed in OOTP 10: It's no longer possible to bookmark the "Major League Scores" (It's the baseball on the bottom toolbar) page. When you try and bookmark that page it takes you to the scores from that day (i.e. even on Sept 1 the page will show the scores from Apr 30 or whatever day you bookmarked it). In previous versions of OOTP it would just bookmark the Major League scores page so that whenever you activated the bookmark you would be on the scores for THAT day. I'd appreciate that feature back.

Solonor · 11-20-2009, 01:57 PM

I'm noticing lately that I'm hitting Save a lot. I'd appreciate the ability to press CTRL-S to save.

CHCfan · 11-20-2009, 02:29 PM

While I marked that I use the back/forward buttons (in addition to marking "icons at bottom"), this isn't entirely accurate . . . .

One of my biggest interface moves is the backspace key which performs the back function. So basically, I echo those who like the keyboard shortcuts.

CHCfan · 11-20-2009, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JadedMsFan

* -- One thing I noticed in OOTP 10: It's no longer possible to bookmark the "Major League Scores" (It's the baseball on the bottom toolbar) page. When you try and bookmark that page it takes you to the scores from that day (i.e. even on Sept 1 the page will show the scores from Apr 30 or whatever day you bookmarked it). In previous versions of OOTP it would just bookmark the Major League scores page so that whenever you activated the bookmark you would be on the scores for THAT day. I'd appreciate that feature back.

Are you sure? I'm pretty sure it's the other way around. Previous versions would only bookmark that particular month; version 10 bookmarks that up-to-date current month.

snepp · 11-25-2009, 03:22 PM

Hotkeys, hotkeys, hotkeys, and more hotkeys. And for the love of all that's good in the world, make them customizable.

I want to be able to assign virtually any hotkey I want to any page. And no, the ten F-keys from bookmarks isn't nearly enough.

Cod · 11-27-2009, 04:11 AM

Personally, I'd like to have more customization options over the toolbar at the top as well as the bottom. Ultimately, being able to create my own interface with the "built-in" necessities would be ideal.

Pdubya64 · 11-27-2009, 09:18 AM

While I find myself using the Forward/Back arrows (w/ mouse) very frequently, I also get a bit frustrated that there isn't an intuitive way to get with one button or keystroke, back to the "top" of the pages I was browsing.
For example:
I mainly use the Forward/Back to search a player or players on my team or a possible pickup player. I move back and forth between the various "subpages" (contract, scouting report, summary, etc.).

Here is where the frustration comes in. Once I have drilled down to the various detail pages, I can't get back to the default top player page without using another pull-down menu or other option. Using the Back arrow takes you through EVERY page, which, granted, can be useful in itself, but it would be nice to get back to a player top page in one step.

Hope this makes sense.

jmknpk2 · 12-01-2009, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by snepp

Hotkeys, hotkeys, hotkeys, and more hotkeys. And for the love of all that's good in the world, make them customizable.

I want to be able to assign virtually any hotkey I want to any page. And no, the ten F-keys from bookmarks isn't nearly enough.

Now that I think about it, I could really put cusomizable hotkeys to use. There are a lot of keys that could be programmed without cluttering up the screen with buttons, or needing to go to a menu then drop-down list.

jmknpk2 · 12-02-2009, 04:27 AM

Please don't remove any features. I currently haven't been using bookmarks and recent pages and what not, because I just haven't gotten around to exploring them. Now this thread has piqued my interest and it seems there are a lot of nice features that could be real handy. I will be happily exploring those features now.

Customizable would be real nice in regard to design of available buttons/menus. There are some things like the front office and pitching icons at the bottom that I use all the time. But there are others on the screen that I use less frequently that could be replaced ones that I use all the time, such as lineup vs RHP, and roster, etc.

Some of the menus that are buried behind another screen are annoying. For example when I want to see the pending free agent offers, I first need to navigate to free agents list, which takes a long time to load up, before I can proceed to the screen I really want.

Irishray · 12-02-2009, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

I don't get that... why don't you use the tabs for this, like it is supposed to be?

Well, in our current design the toolbar at the bottom will disappear anyway, it is confusing to have navigation on several places of the screen (top + bottom). Instead we'll 'pimp' the top area to make it more useable.

That sucks -- the bottom buttons are my exclusive navigation tool.

jmknpk2 · 12-02-2009, 09:34 PM

I'm not sure the lack of votes for the bookmarks and "recent" are indicative of lack of value. I would guess those are features that people just haven't caught on to and become familiar with yet.

I went for a long time, scrolling through pages, sorting and manually scanning pages, flipping from team to team, league level to league level looking for someone or something. Then one day i noticed the search box. Wow! What a big difference that made once I discovered it and unleashed it's power. By the way, I hope you never remove that feature!

conception · 12-02-2009, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Irishray

That sucks -- the bottom buttons are my exclusive navigation tool.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing a while ago, but then I realized that its possible that a new interface could make navigation easier so I'm willing to give it a chance.

ootpFox07 · 12-03-2009, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

No way, every browser has them on the top-left, and that's for a reason I guess ... But maybe I can make this customizable!

In addition, I'd suggest to also make them a little bigger. They're a little small compared to browser forward and back buttons.

RoyEarl · 12-04-2009, 12:28 AM

I voting in favour of bookmarks, right over left, help for our veterans and rolling eyes means a dis

snepp · 12-06-2009, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DesertFox07

In addition, I'd suggest to also make them a little bigger. They're a little small compared to browser forward and back buttons.

Also, there's no reason why only the arrows themselves are clickable when the entire area surrounding them is usable.

For those of us that prefer visuals....

wellsoliver · 12-13-2009, 02:06 PM

The one thing where I think it could be improved greatly is in context-sensitive changes. What I mean is for example when you switch from viewing hitters to pitchers, it should switch from showing hitting ratings (or stats) to showing pitching ratings (or stats) automatically.

Also, the UI needs some kind of back button keyboard shortcut, rather than having to mouse up to the upper/left side of the screen.

wellsoliver · 12-13-2009, 02:10 PM

Also, one of the things that generally bugs me about OOTP is the clutter. There are far too many options. It might be helpful to reduce the UI to be far more streamlined, but have some method of opening up 'advanced' options. I'm a huge fan of the way Google and 37signals create user interfaces, and simplicity in UI is a golden, beautiful thing.

View Poll Results: Which OOTP 10 interface navigation element(s) do you use frequently?
Forward/back buttons	306	76.69%
"Recent" menu	62	15.54%
"Bookmarks" menu	55	13.78%
Icons at the bottom (excluding "Finish Today")	225	56.39%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 399. You may not vote on this poll

10-29-2009, 10:33 PM	#103
White Sox All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 583	Although I voted quite some time ago for this, choosing both Forward/back buttons and Icons at the bottom as the features I use most, I must say that the more I play this game, the more I find the "Recent" menu being an invaluable navigation tool. Just throwing that out there. __________________ "Pitching, Defense, and the Three-Run Homer."

11-20-2009, 01:53 PM	#104
JadedMsFan Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 20	Keyboard / Mouse Shortcuts My dream would be to use the forward/back buttons on my mouse to move through OOTP. I never thought I'd use them that much browsing the web, but once you have them you'll never go back. It would be awesome if OOTP had the same thing. I use bookmarks because the F# keys are the only keyboard shortcuts in the game.* More keyboard and mouse shortcuts are definitely on my OOTP wishlist. * -- One thing I noticed in OOTP 10: It's no longer possible to bookmark the "Major League Scores" (It's the baseball on the bottom toolbar) page. When you try and bookmark that page it takes you to the scores from that day (i.e. even on Sept 1 the page will show the scores from Apr 30 or whatever day you bookmarked it). In previous versions of OOTP it would just bookmark the Major League scores page so that whenever you activated the bookmark you would be on the scores for THAT day. I'd appreciate that feature back.

11-20-2009, 01:57 PM	#105
Solonor Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Maine Posts: 4,466	I'm noticing lately that I'm hitting Save a lot. I'd appreciate the ability to press CTRL-S to save. __________________ Solonor's Groovy Computer Baseball League - Making baseball a hobbit since 2003! "Beings will come, Frodo. The one constant through all the years has been baseball. Middle Earth has rolled by like an army of Mumakil. It has been erased like a slate, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Frodo. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again. Oh... beings will come Frodo. Beings will most definitely come." - Gladden Field of Dreams

11-27-2009, 09:18 AM	#110
Pdubya64 Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Staunton, VA Posts: 494	My idea While I find myself using the Forward/Back arrows (w/ mouse) very frequently, I also get a bit frustrated that there isn't an intuitive way to get with one button or keystroke, back to the "top" of the pages I was browsing. For example: I mainly use the Forward/Back to search a player or players on my team or a possible pickup player. I move back and forth between the various "subpages" (contract, scouting report, summary, etc.). Here is where the frustration comes in. Once I have drilled down to the various detail pages, I can't get back to the default top player page without using another pull-down menu or other option. Using the Back arrow takes you through EVERY page, which, granted, can be useful in itself, but it would be nice to get back to a player top page in one step. Hope this makes sense.

11-20-2009, 02:29 PM	#106
CHCfan All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Grand Island, NE Posts: 1,117	While I marked that I use the back/forward buttons (in addition to marking "icons at bottom"), this isn't entirely accurate . . . . One of my biggest interface moves is the backspace key which performs the back function. So basically, I echo those who like the keyboard shortcuts.

11-25-2009, 03:22 PM	#108
snepp All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,785	Hotkeys, hotkeys, hotkeys, and more hotkeys. And for the love of all that's good in the world, make them customizable. I want to be able to assign virtually any hotkey I want to any page. And no, the ten F-keys from bookmarks isn't nearly enough.

11-27-2009, 04:11 AM	#109
Cod All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 1,172	Personally, I'd like to have more customization options over the toolbar at the top as well as the bottom. Ultimately, being able to create my own interface with the "built-in" necessities would be ideal.

12-02-2009, 04:27 AM	#112
jmknpk2 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 982	Please don't remove any features. I currently haven't been using bookmarks and recent pages and what not, because I just haven't gotten around to exploring them. Now this thread has piqued my interest and it seems there are a lot of nice features that could be real handy. I will be happily exploring those features now. Customizable would be real nice in regard to design of available buttons/menus. There are some things like the front office and pitching icons at the bottom that I use all the time. But there are others on the screen that I use less frequently that could be replaced ones that I use all the time, such as lineup vs RHP, and roster, etc. Some of the menus that are buried behind another screen are annoying. For example when I want to see the pending free agent offers, I first need to navigate to free agents list, which takes a long time to load up, before I can proceed to the screen I really want. Last edited by jmknpk2; 12-02-2009 at 04:29 AM.

12-02-2009, 09:34 PM	#114
jmknpk2 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 982	I'm not sure the lack of votes for the bookmarks and "recent" are indicative of lack of value. I would guess those are features that people just haven't caught on to and become familiar with yet. I went for a long time, scrolling through pages, sorting and manually scanning pages, flipping from team to team, league level to league level looking for someone or something. Then one day i noticed the search box. Wow! What a big difference that made once I discovered it and unleashed it's power. By the way, I hope you never remove that feature!

12-04-2009, 12:28 AM	#117
RoyEarl Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 128	I voting in favour of bookmarks, right over left, help for our veterans and rolling eyes means a dis

12-13-2009, 02:06 PM	#119
wellsoliver Major Leagues Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 337	The one thing where I think it could be improved greatly is in context-sensitive changes. What I mean is for example when you switch from viewing hitters to pitchers, it should switch from showing hitting ratings (or stats) to showing pitching ratings (or stats) automatically. Also, the UI needs some kind of back button keyboard shortcut, rather than having to mouse up to the upper/left side of the screen.

12-13-2009, 02:10 PM	#120
wellsoliver Major Leagues Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 337	Also, one of the things that generally bugs me about OOTP is the clutter. There are far too many options. It might be helpful to reduce the UI to be far more streamlined, but have some method of opening up 'advanced' options. I'm a huge fan of the way Google and 37signals create user interfaces, and simplicity in UI is a golden, beautiful thing.