Note From An All-Time Heavyweight Tournament - Page 6

bear · 08-02-2008, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mad Bomber

Jim, very entertaining, and as far as the outcome of the Lewis-Schmeling fight is concerned, a lot of people still to this day underate just how good Schmeling really was.

Greg

Getting starched in one round by the very weak hitting Gypsy Daniels and losing to a healthy Hurricane Steve Hamas are the reasons I low rate Max.
Sure Hamas was beaten badly in a rematch but his football injuries were acting up before the fight. Rather than postpone and re-schedule, Hamas' manager sent him into the lists and Hamas was an immobile one-legged punching bag. The dumb move be Hamas' manager ended the career of the then, #1 HW contender Hamas and gave Schmeling's career, which had been written off, a dose of smelling salts.

Really couldn't resist that pun.

bear

Jersey-Jim · 08-02-2008, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bear

Getting starched in one round by the very weak hitting Gypsy Daniels and losing to a healthy Hurricane Steve Hamas are the reasons I low rate Max.
Sure Hamas was beaten badly in a rematch but his football injuries were acting up before the fight. Rather than postpone and re-schedule, Hamas' manager sent him into the lists and Hamas was an immobile one-legged punching bag. The dumb move be Hamas' manager ended the career of the then, #1 HW contender Hamas and gave Schmeling's career, which had been written off, a dose of smelling salts.

Really couldn't resist that pun.

bear

Is there a rating for Hurricane Steve Hamas around these parts?

bear · 08-02-2008, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jersey-Jim

Is there a rating for Hurricane Steve Hamas around these parts?

He is in the default database. Rated as a 7.

Jersey-Jim · 08-02-2008, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bear

He is in the default database. Rated as a 7.

Looks like he was one of those fighters who was right at the door of history but fell through the cracks. There's so many stories out there waiting to be discovered, that's what's so great about boxing history.

bear · 08-02-2008, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jersey-Jim

Looks like he was one of those fighters who was right at the door of history but fell through the cracks. There's so many stories out there waiting to be discovered, that's what's so great about boxing history.

He beat Schmeling, and took him out of the heavyweight picture. Hamas was the #1 contender in The Ring. There was no need for his manager to take him to Germany to face The Black Uhlan in a rematch. Nothing for Hamas to prove or gain in doing so. When his football injuries acted up, there was even good grounds for either postponing or cancelling the bout, but no, he went into the ring vs. Schmelling and was destroyed. He was a fullback at Penn. State in the 20's during the single platoon era. On the basketball and boxing teams as well and maybe also track. Hurt his knee or back (or both) on the gridiron and these injuries would act up, from time to time.

bear

Jersey-Jim · 08-02-2008, 09:01 PM

I was taking a look at his record. He fought in an interesting time. He could have had a title shot in that 1933-1938 window possibly. He was only 28 when he hung up his gloves. And, he was from NJ, just a few miles from a friend's house! I may have to use him in my "Notes From a Title Bout Universe" universe.

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Originally Posted by bear

He beat Schmeling, and took him out of the heavyweight picture. Hamas was the #1 contender in The Ring. There was no need for his manager to take him to Germany to face The Black Uhlan in a rematch. Nothing for Hamas to prove or gain in doing so. When his football injuries acted up, there was even good grounds for either postponing or cancelling the bout, but no, he went into the ring vs. Schmelling and was destroyed. He was a fullback at Penn. State in the 20's during the single platoon era. On the basketball and boxing teams as well and maybe also track. Hurt his knee or back (or both) on the gridiron and these injuries would act up, from time to time.

bear

Jersey-Jim · 08-04-2008, 02:05 AM

Coming up next - The Round by Round Quarter Finals Matchup between

Joe Louis &
Sonny Liston

Jersey-Jim · 08-04-2008, 10:15 PM

Joe Louis vs. Sonny Liston

Welcome to Yankee Stadium! The fighters are in the ring receiving their last instructions from referee Arthur Mercante. Two of the most dangerous fighters in Heavyweight history are getting ready to square off against one another here tonight. Both have the ability to turn a fight with a single punch. Liston has a size and reach advantage as well as possessing one of the most punish jabs in the history of the division. Louis has knockout power in both hands as well as an edge in handspeed.

The fighters have returned to their corners and the crowd is on the edge of their seats waiting for the bell to begin the opening round. And there’s the bell!

Round 1
The fighter exchange jabs in ring center. Louis ducks under and Liston jab and bangs a hard hook to the body! Louis with a big right cross to Liston’s head! Liston is moving back towards the ropes. Joe Louis opening up with several shots to the body and another to the head. Liston catches Louis with a combination coming off the ropes. Liston rocks Louis with a right upper. Louis digs hard to the body as the bell sounds ending the opening round.

Jersey-Jim · 08-04-2008, 10:22 PM

Round 2
Louis ducks another Liston jab and bangs two lefts and a right to the body. Louis body shots have got to take a toll as the fight progresses. Louis with a left uppercut and right to Liston’s chin. Liston fires back and misses. A big right hand to Liston’s head. Liston’s knee’s bucked slightly! Joe Louis with a beautiful right uppercut. Liston ties him up. Liston’s taking a lot of punishment over these first two rounds. Louis raking Liston with sharp punches to the body – and now the head. Liston can’t seem to do anything here in this – the second round. There’s the bell!

Jersey-Jim · 08-04-2008, 10:27 PM

Round 3
Here we are in the third – Oh! Liston catches Louis with a beautiful right uppercut. That punch stopped Joe momentarily. Here comes Liston! He’s digging hard to the body. I think Joe’s hurt by those shots! Left hook to the head by Liston. Night Train’s movin’ down the tracks! Louis lands a right hand. Louis jabs Liston. Liston unloading to Louis’ body. Liston machine-gunning Louis to the body and hurting him! A combination to the head from Sonny Liston – Louis is stunned! There’s the bell ending the round.

Jersey-Jim · 08-04-2008, 10:31 PM

Round 4
We’re here in the 4th and both fighters are still unmarked. Louis and Liston trade jabs. Louis with a three-punch combination to the head. He’s backing Liston up. Liston goes hard to Louis’ body again. A big right cross from Liston. Left hook from Liston. Joe Louis nails Liston with a hard left uppercut. Both fighters are trading along the ropes… and there’s the bell.

Jersey-Jim · 08-04-2008, 10:38 PM

Round 5
Louis and Liston trading heavy jabs as round 5 gets underway. Liston nails Louis with a hard left hook. Louis is staggered! Louis is in trouble! Liston opening up but Louis is riding with the punches well. Louis with a right to the body. Liston goes back to the body. A right to Louis’ head from Liston. Louis looks hurt again! Oh! Louis’ eye is swelling up like a balloon! There’s the bell.

Jersey-Jim · 08-04-2008, 10:44 PM

Round 6
Louis fires a combination to Liston’s head. Joe Louis digs a hook to Liston’s side. Louis, a right and left to the head. Both fighters trade right hands. Louis goes to Liston’s body again. Two crisps shots to from Louis to the head. Louis nails Liston with a huge right cross! Liston’s backing up! Here comes Joe Louis. Louis – going to the body… now the head – and there’s the bell. Joe’s eye still looks bad but that was a big round for him, nonetheless.

Jersey-Jim · 08-04-2008, 10:55 PM

Round 7
We’re in the 7th. The pace has slowed. Louis and Liston are clinching in ring center. Louis going to Liston’s body with a combination. Oh, nice right cross from Sonny Liston. That punch shook Louis! Liston with a big uppercut and down goes Louis!
Louis was dropped to his knees by that big Liston uppercut. Louis pulls himself up with the ropes at the count of 4! Here’s comes Sonny Liston! Liston with a right to the body. Liston with a right hook to the chin, and down goes Louis again! Joe Louis, down for the second time this round! Louis is slowly getting to his feet. He’s up at the count of 7, but he looks hurt! The referee taking a closer look at Louis. He’s going to allow this fight to continue. Liston with another big right to the chin! Louis is against the ropes. Liston going to the body! Two big shots to the head. Louis is taking a beating! Big uppercut from Liston. Louis is in all kinds of trouble. Louis staggers off the ropes. There’s the bell! Manny Seamon is going to have his work cut out for him in the corner.

Jersey-Jim · 08-04-2008, 11:06 PM

Round 8
Joe Louis is moving a bit more as bell has sounded to begin the 8th round. Joe Louis moving to Liston’s left – using the jab. Liston nails Joe with another uppercut on the inside. Louis’ legs buckle slightly! Louis firing back! Joe Louis with a three-punch combination to Liston’s head. I think Liston’s hurt? Yes, Liston’s hurt! That three-punch combination hurt Liston! Louis digs to the body again. And now the head. Sony Liston is under heavy fire and he’s taking enormous punishment now! How Joe Louis recovered from the beating he took in the 7th to turn the tide here in the 8th, I have no idea! Louis digging hard again to Liston’s body and there’s the bell.

Jersey-Jim · 08-04-2008, 11:24 PM

Round 9
Louis using his jab effectively. Liston seems to be slowing up. Louis with a quick right to the head and left to the body. Liston’s jabbing back. A good left to the body from Louis. They’re clinching again. Both fighters are taking a bit of a break. Joe Louis hooks to Liston’s head. Liston with a hook to the body. They clinch again in ring center. There’s the bell. Sonny Liston looks tired as he returns to his corner. I think the Louis body attack from the earlier rounds is beginning to pay off.

Jersey-Jim · 08-04-2008, 11:30 PM

Round 10
Louis jars Liston with a 4 punch combination to the head. Joe Louis with a hard right to the temple. Liston’s left eye is beginning to swell. Louis snapping Liston’s head with three crisp jabs. Liston responds with a right to the body. Louis mixing up his attack upstairs, downstairs. Liston trying to use the jab, but he’s missing more than he’s connecting. Louis is fighting from long range, now. He’s scoring with sharp, clean punches. Liston needs to step it up. The momentum has noticeably turned in favor of Joe Louis.

Claybor · 08-04-2008, 11:33 PM

Very close again, I have it even unless the 2 KD round was a 10-7. hard to tell from this angle. :] Hell of a fight.

Jersey-Jim · 08-04-2008, 11:38 PM

Round 12
Sonny Liston with a nice left to the body. Louis with a nice straight left. Louis with a quick right to the chin, and Sonny Liston drops to one knee! Here comes the count! Liston’s up at 3, and here comes Joe Louis. Louis, with a sharp right hand to the head. Joe Louis has Sonny Liston trapped in the corner and he’s unloading the thunder! Liston’s in trouble! Liston’s taking a beating! I think this fight is going to be stopped! And there’s the bell. Talk about being “saved by the bell.” Sonny Liston was saved from an almost certain TKO. They’re working feverously in his corner, trying to clear his head. I don’t know if they can work magic, but they’re going to have to try!

Jersey-Jim · 08-04-2008, 11:50 PM

Round 13
Liston’s standing up in the corner. I can’t believe it. His swelling seems to have gone down and he looks read to fight! There’s the bell. Liston with a hard snapping jab. Left hook from Louis. Down goes Liston! Liston’s on the seat of his trunks from that Louis left! He’s getting up slowly. Liston is up at the count of 7! He wants to continue! Louis tags Liston with three, four, five good head shots. Liston misses with a right. Louis – right cross! Liston’s down! That right cross drops Liston to both knees. Liston looks like he’s clearing his head and catching his breath. He’s up at the count of 8! Louis is jabbing. He’s backing Liston up. Big right cross and down goes Liston again! Sonny tried grabbing the ropes on his way down but missed. I don’t know if he’s going to beat the count. Wait, he’s up! He’s up at the count of 8! How much time is left? I can’t see the clock from here? I can’t believe Mercante is going to let this go on! God, I love this sport.

Louis with a combination to Liston’s head! Down goes Liston, again! Liston’s down for the 4th time in this round. He’s on his knees with his forehead pressed to the canvas. I don’t think he’s going to clear the cobwebs this time. I can’t even believe he’s conscious.

The count’s at 7, 8, 9… 10!

That’s it! Joe Louis has stopped Charles Sonny Liston at 2:59 of the 13th round! This was one for the ages, my friends! Joe Louis will move on to the next round of the tournament.

(*Side note* The final scoring of this round was a whopping 45-2! What a great fight. I loved watching and reporting every second of it).

08-04-2008, 10:15 PM	#108
Jersey-Jim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Toms River, NJ & Sarasota, FL. Posts: 2,702	Joe Louis vs. Sonny Liston Welcome to Yankee Stadium! The fighters are in the ring receiving their last instructions from referee Arthur Mercante. Two of the most dangerous fighters in Heavyweight history are getting ready to square off against one another here tonight. Both have the ability to turn a fight with a single punch. Liston has a size and reach advantage as well as possessing one of the most punish jabs in the history of the division. Louis has knockout power in both hands as well as an edge in handspeed. The fighters have returned to their corners and the crowd is on the edge of their seats waiting for the bell to begin the opening round. And there’s the bell! Round 1 The fighter exchange jabs in ring center. Louis ducks under and Liston jab and bangs a hard hook to the body! Louis with a big right cross to Liston’s head! Liston is moving back towards the ropes. Joe Louis opening up with several shots to the body and another to the head. Liston catches Louis with a combination coming off the ropes. Liston rocks Louis with a right upper. Louis digs hard to the body as the bell sounds ending the opening round. Last edited by Jersey-Jim; 08-04-2008 at 10:22 PM.

08-04-2008, 10:44 PM	#113
Jersey-Jim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Toms River, NJ & Sarasota, FL. Posts: 2,702	Round 6 Louis fires a combination to Liston’s head. Joe Louis digs a hook to Liston’s side. Louis, a right and left to the head. Both fighters trade right hands. Louis goes to Liston’s body again. Two crisps shots to from Louis to the head. Louis nails Liston with a huge right cross! Liston’s backing up! Here comes Joe Louis. Louis – going to the body… now the head – and there’s the bell. Joe’s eye still looks bad but that was a big round for him, nonetheless. Last edited by Jersey-Jim; 08-05-2008 at 12:10 AM.

08-04-2008, 11:06 PM	#115
Jersey-Jim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Toms River, NJ & Sarasota, FL. Posts: 2,702	Round 8 Joe Louis is moving a bit more as bell has sounded to begin the 8th round. Joe Louis moving to Liston’s left – using the jab. Liston nails Joe with another uppercut on the inside. Louis’ legs buckle slightly! Louis firing back! Joe Louis with a three-punch combination to Liston’s head. I think Liston’s hurt? Yes, Liston’s hurt! That three-punch combination hurt Liston! Louis digs to the body again. And now the head. Sony Liston is under heavy fire and he’s taking enormous punishment now! How Joe Louis recovered from the beating he took in the 7th to turn the tide here in the 8th, I have no idea! Louis digging hard again to Liston’s body and there’s the bell. Last edited by Jersey-Jim; 08-04-2008 at 11:19 PM.

08-04-2008, 11:30 PM	#117
Jersey-Jim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Toms River, NJ & Sarasota, FL. Posts: 2,702	Round 10 Louis jars Liston with a 4 punch combination to the head. Joe Louis with a hard right to the temple. Liston’s left eye is beginning to swell. Louis snapping Liston’s head with three crisp jabs. Liston responds with a right to the body. Louis mixing up his attack upstairs, downstairs. Liston trying to use the jab, but he’s missing more than he’s connecting. Louis is fighting from long range, now. He’s scoring with sharp, clean punches. Liston needs to step it up. The momentum has noticeably turned in favor of Joe Louis. Last edited by Jersey-Jim; 08-05-2008 at 12:12 AM.

08-04-2008, 02:05 AM	#107
Jersey-Jim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Toms River, NJ & Sarasota, FL. Posts: 2,702	Coming up next - The Round by Round Quarter Finals Matchup between Joe Louis & Sonny Liston

08-04-2008, 10:22 PM	#109
Jersey-Jim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Toms River, NJ & Sarasota, FL. Posts: 2,702	Round 2 Louis ducks another Liston jab and bangs two lefts and a right to the body. Louis body shots have got to take a toll as the fight progresses. Louis with a left uppercut and right to Liston’s chin. Liston fires back and misses. A big right hand to Liston’s head. Liston’s knee’s bucked slightly! Joe Louis with a beautiful right uppercut. Liston ties him up. Liston’s taking a lot of punishment over these first two rounds. Louis raking Liston with sharp punches to the body – and now the head. Liston can’t seem to do anything here in this – the second round. There’s the bell!

08-04-2008, 10:27 PM	#110
Jersey-Jim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Toms River, NJ & Sarasota, FL. Posts: 2,702	Round 3 Here we are in the third – Oh! Liston catches Louis with a beautiful right uppercut. That punch stopped Joe momentarily. Here comes Liston! He’s digging hard to the body. I think Joe’s hurt by those shots! Left hook to the head by Liston. Night Train’s movin’ down the tracks! Louis lands a right hand. Louis jabs Liston. Liston unloading to Louis’ body. Liston machine-gunning Louis to the body and hurting him! A combination to the head from Sonny Liston – Louis is stunned! There’s the bell ending the round.

08-04-2008, 10:31 PM	#111
Jersey-Jim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Toms River, NJ & Sarasota, FL. Posts: 2,702	Round 4 We’re here in the 4th and both fighters are still unmarked. Louis and Liston trade jabs. Louis with a three-punch combination to the head. He’s backing Liston up. Liston goes hard to Louis’ body again. A big right cross from Liston. Left hook from Liston. Joe Louis nails Liston with a hard left uppercut. Both fighters are trading along the ropes… and there’s the bell.

08-04-2008, 10:38 PM	#112
Jersey-Jim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Toms River, NJ & Sarasota, FL. Posts: 2,702	Round 5 Louis and Liston trading heavy jabs as round 5 gets underway. Liston nails Louis with a hard left hook. Louis is staggered! Louis is in trouble! Liston opening up but Louis is riding with the punches well. Louis with a right to the body. Liston goes back to the body. A right to Louis’ head from Liston. Louis looks hurt again! Oh! Louis’ eye is swelling up like a balloon! There’s the bell.

08-04-2008, 10:55 PM	#114
Jersey-Jim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Toms River, NJ & Sarasota, FL. Posts: 2,702	Round 7 We’re in the 7th. The pace has slowed. Louis and Liston are clinching in ring center. Louis going to Liston’s body with a combination. Oh, nice right cross from Sonny Liston. That punch shook Louis! Liston with a big uppercut and down goes Louis! Louis was dropped to his knees by that big Liston uppercut. Louis pulls himself up with the ropes at the count of 4! Here’s comes Sonny Liston! Liston with a right to the body. Liston with a right hook to the chin, and down goes Louis again! Joe Louis, down for the second time this round! Louis is slowly getting to his feet. He’s up at the count of 7, but he looks hurt! The referee taking a closer look at Louis. He’s going to allow this fight to continue. Liston with another big right to the chin! Louis is against the ropes. Liston going to the body! Two big shots to the head. Louis is taking a beating! Big uppercut from Liston. Louis is in all kinds of trouble. Louis staggers off the ropes. There’s the bell! Manny Seamon is going to have his work cut out for him in the corner.

08-04-2008, 11:24 PM	#116
Jersey-Jim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Toms River, NJ & Sarasota, FL. Posts: 2,702	Round 9 Louis using his jab effectively. Liston seems to be slowing up. Louis with a quick right to the head and left to the body. Liston’s jabbing back. A good left to the body from Louis. They’re clinching again. Both fighters are taking a bit of a break. Joe Louis hooks to Liston’s head. Liston with a hook to the body. They clinch again in ring center. There’s the bell. Sonny Liston looks tired as he returns to his corner. I think the Louis body attack from the earlier rounds is beginning to pay off.

08-04-2008, 11:33 PM	#118
Claybor All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 1,361 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Very close again, I have it even unless the 2 KD round was a 10-7. hard to tell from this angle. :] Hell of a fight.

08-04-2008, 11:38 PM	#119
Jersey-Jim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Toms River, NJ & Sarasota, FL. Posts: 2,702	Round 12 Sonny Liston with a nice left to the body. Louis with a nice straight left. Louis with a quick right to the chin, and Sonny Liston drops to one knee! Here comes the count! Liston’s up at 3, and here comes Joe Louis. Louis, with a sharp right hand to the head. Joe Louis has Sonny Liston trapped in the corner and he’s unloading the thunder! Liston’s in trouble! Liston’s taking a beating! I think this fight is going to be stopped! And there’s the bell. Talk about being “saved by the bell.” Sonny Liston was saved from an almost certain TKO. They’re working feverously in his corner, trying to clear his head. I don’t know if they can work magic, but they’re going to have to try!

08-04-2008, 11:50 PM	#120
Jersey-Jim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Toms River, NJ & Sarasota, FL. Posts: 2,702	Round 13 Liston’s standing up in the corner. I can’t believe it. His swelling seems to have gone down and he looks read to fight! There’s the bell. Liston with a hard snapping jab. Left hook from Louis. Down goes Liston! Liston’s on the seat of his trunks from that Louis left! He’s getting up slowly. Liston is up at the count of 7! He wants to continue! Louis tags Liston with three, four, five good head shots. Liston misses with a right. Louis – right cross! Liston’s down! That right cross drops Liston to both knees. Liston looks like he’s clearing his head and catching his breath. He’s up at the count of 8! Louis is jabbing. He’s backing Liston up. Big right cross and down goes Liston again! Sonny tried grabbing the ropes on his way down but missed. I don’t know if he’s going to beat the count. Wait, he’s up! He’s up at the count of 8! How much time is left? I can’t see the clock from here? I can’t believe Mercante is going to let this go on! God, I love this sport. Louis with a combination to Liston’s head! Down goes Liston, again! Liston’s down for the 4th time in this round. He’s on his knees with his forehead pressed to the canvas. I don’t think he’s going to clear the cobwebs this time. I can’t even believe he’s conscious. The count’s at 7, 8, 9… 10! That’s it! Joe Louis has stopped Charles Sonny Liston at 2:59 of the 13th round! This was one for the ages, my friends! Joe Louis will move on to the next round of the tournament. (Side note The final scoring of this round was a whopping 45-2! What a great fight. I loved watching and reporting every second of it).