Goodbye Davis, not sad to see you go - Page 6

Dwolfson20 · 02-19-2006, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by QuestGAV

They're not a bad program but that's a pretty significant downward trend. The list you gave certainly doesn't indicate that they were a top 10 program at that point in time.

dh was merely responding to the outlandish claim that the mediocrity went back "8-10 years or more." Anyone with a working eye can see that Knight was trending downward when he left, and I wouldn't necessarily say they were still a "Top 10" program, but I don't think they'd be as bad now if he was still around.

mh2365 · 02-19-2006, 06:04 PM

8 out of 10 years with 20 wins, 19 the other two. In the NCAA tourney all 10 years. Winning conference record 9 out of 10 years. To even compare that to probably going 3 straight years out of the NCAA tourney is absurd.

Dwolfson20 · 02-19-2006, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

8 out of 10 years with 20 wins, 19 the other two. In the NCAA tourney all 10 years. Winning conference record 9 out of 10 years. To even compare that to probably going 3 straight years out of the NCAA tourney is absurd.

While I personally think Indiana has not been a Top 10 program for going on a decade now, I have to agree with this post.

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marc · 02-19-2006, 08:21 PM

I think when we argue for Indiana as being "top 10", we mean that it is a top 10 program or a top 10 job. Sort of the way that Notre Dame is a top 10 football job even though until last year they had went basically a decade without being ranked in the top 10.

Let's face it, certain programs are always top 10 programs or jobs even if they aren't ranked in the top 10. For example, Washington State a few years back was a top 10 team, so should they have higher standards then Notre Dame or Penn State? No way.

mh2365 · 02-19-2006, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by marc

I think when we argue for Indiana as being "top 10", we mean that it is a top 10 program or a top 10 job. Sort of the way that Notre Dame is a top 10 football job even though until last year they had went basically a decade without being ranked in the top 10.

Let's face it, certain programs are always top 10 programs or jobs even if they aren't ranked in the top 10. For example, Washington State a few years back was a top 10 team, so should they have higher standards then Notre Dame or Penn State? No way.

Agree 100% .... Penn St. had some real lean years but when you think top football institutions you still think Penn St.

KurtBevacqua · 02-22-2006, 11:21 PM

Iowans to Indiana: Take Alford, please.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...all/index.html

mh2365 · 02-23-2006, 04:39 AM

Say what they want ... I'll take him at IU. Corky from "LIfe Goes On" would be better than Davis.

sebastian0622 · 02-23-2006, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by TC Dale

fans that believe their overachieving teams should be in the Big Ten and NCAA's every year...

Hahah! Yeah, God forbid those uppity Iowa fans want their teams to make the NCAA after doing so a mere 80-90% of the time before Alford came.

What are they thinking? They need to get a grasp! They're just Iowa, a totally crappy team who finishes at the bottom of the Big Ten every year! Yeah! That's what my stereotypes tell me! Who needs facts!? It's Iowa!

marc · 02-23-2006, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by sebastian0622

Hahah! Yeah, God forbid those uppity Iowa fans want their teams to make the NCAA after doing so a mere 80-90% of the time before Alford came.

What are they thinking? They need to get a grasp! They're just Iowa, a totally crappy team who finishes at the bottom of the Big Ten every year! Yeah! That's what my stereotypes tell me! Who needs facts!? It's Iowa!

The funny thing is that OSU is an absolute sleeping giant in college basketball, a historically good program located in a talent rich state with the largest athletic budget in the United States of America yet about 5 people in Columbus (one of them being me) were screaming for the program to be held in a higher standard.

It's a tribute to the Iowa and Indiana fans who refuse to let the program slip into mediocrity as the OSU bball program has done over the last 15 years.

andymac · 02-23-2006, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by marc

The funny thing is that OSU is an absolute sleeping giant in college basketball, a historically good program located in a talent rich state with the largest athletic budget in the United States of America yet about 5 people in Columbus (one of them being me) were screaming for the program to be held in a higher standard.

It's a tribute to the Iowa and Indiana fans who refuse to let the program slip into mediocrity as the OSU bball program has done over the last 15 years.

That is changing, if OSU doesn't stop winning...they may find themselves with a no.1 seed.

marc · 02-23-2006, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by andymac

That is changing, if OSU doesn't stop winning...they may find themselves with a no.1 seed.

Yes it is, and the hype surrounding next years recruiting class is insane, it's really over the top though. I find it hard to believe that next years group which will start atleast 2 freshman and have 2 others as the 6th and 7th man will be better then this years squad. It's almost a little frustrating, everytime I hear someone say "But just wait til next year" I wanna slap them and make them aware that this years team could make a Final 4 run.

mh2365 · 02-23-2006, 04:51 PM

So here's the thing ..... I want Alford as the IU coach because I am a fan of his. That said he may or may not be the right choice we won't know until he gets here. He did a very good job at SW Missouri St. and IMO he had done a solid job at Iowa. I also think that he will put his heart and soul into the IU job (not that he hasn't at Iowa) and also his recruiting will get a boost from being an Indiana boy. I doubt we'll see IU losing every single Indiana HS star like we have the last 6 years.

Even if he is the wrong choice for IU, he is the right choice because it needs to get out of the way. If IU brings anyone else in, "Alford" will be looming over them also. So if he comes in and fails, then the IU faithful will be ready for someone from the outside. The problem right now is Davis was from the outside and he just straight blew, so another outside guy is going to be guilty by association.

I think maybe Matta would be the only one given a break or two and time to build the team with his Indiana ties (state not U) but even then he wouldn't have a very long leash.

So right guy or not, he needs to be the guy. IMO he'll be a huge success, but like I said earlier I am a fan.

KurtBevacqua · 02-23-2006, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

So here's the thing ..... I want Alford as the IU coach because I am a fan of his. That said he may or may not be the right choice we won't know until he gets here. He did a very good job at SW Missouri St. and IMO he had done a solid job at Iowa. I also think that he will put his heart and soul into the IU job (not that he hasn't at Iowa) and also his recruiting will get a boost from being an Indiana boy. I doubt we'll see IU losing every single Indiana HS star like we have the last 6 years.

Even if he is the wrong choice for IU, he is the right choice because it needs to get out of the way. If IU brings anyone else in, "Alford" will be looming over them also. So if he comes in and fails, then the IU faithful will be ready for someone from the outside. The problem right now is Davis was from the outside and he just straight blew, so another outside guy is going to be guilty by association.

I think maybe Matta would be the only one given a break or two and time to build the team with his Indiana ties (state not U) but even then he wouldn't have a very long leash.

So right guy or not, he needs to be the guy. IMO he'll be a huge success, but like I said earlier I am a fan.

Matta is a serious quality coach, way better than Alford. The only way he is not the right choice for darn near any job is if him leaving OSU and changing so many jobs so quickly would be an indication of shiny object syndrome. But I really doubt he's going to leave OSU. They have a brand new arena making tons of money in one of the most profitable athletic programs in the country with the best recruiting class in the school's history about to walk through the door. The only scenario he leaves is major sanctions from the NCAA. That's probably unlikely since OSU already self-imposed major sanctions. I think the worst case scenario for OSU is they are held back from this year's tourney. There's talk OSU may be willing to offer that if a major finding appears likely. Would be a total shame with how good this team is now, but if it keeps Matta and his golden class in place then so be it I suppose. No, I doubt Indiana can land Matta, but if you do he's a keeper and you guys would be very unwise to pressure him out under most any circumstance.

mh2365 · 02-23-2006, 08:19 PM

I don't disagree with you I just have this feeling what will happen if it's not Alford. Any two game losing streak and it will be "we should've gotten Alford".

02-22-2006, 11:21 PM	#106
KurtBevacqua Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,968	Iowans to Indiana: Take Alford, please. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...all/index.html __________________ "The type and formula of most schemes of philanthropy or humanitarianism is this: A and B put their heads together to decide what C shall be made to do for D. The radical vice of all these schemes, from a sociological point of view, is that C is not allowed a voice in the matter, and his position, character, and interests, as well as the ultimate effects on society through C's interests, are entirely overlooked. I call C the Forgotten Man" - William Graham Sumner

02-23-2006, 04:51 PM	#112
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	So here's the thing ..... I want Alford as the IU coach because I am a fan of his. That said he may or may not be the right choice we won't know until he gets here. He did a very good job at SW Missouri St. and IMO he had done a solid job at Iowa. I also think that he will put his heart and soul into the IU job (not that he hasn't at Iowa) and also his recruiting will get a boost from being an Indiana boy. I doubt we'll see IU losing every single Indiana HS star like we have the last 6 years. Even if he is the wrong choice for IU, he is the right choice because it needs to get out of the way. If IU brings anyone else in, "Alford" will be looming over them also. So if he comes in and fails, then the IU faithful will be ready for someone from the outside. The problem right now is Davis was from the outside and he just straight blew, so another outside guy is going to be guilty by association. I think maybe Matta would be the only one given a break or two and time to build the team with his Indiana ties (state not U) but even then he wouldn't have a very long leash. So right guy or not, he needs to be the guy. IMO he'll be a huge success, but like I said earlier I am a fan. Last edited by mh2365; 02-23-2006 at 04:52 PM.

02-19-2006, 06:04 PM	#102
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	8 out of 10 years with 20 wins, 19 the other two. In the NCAA tourney all 10 years. Winning conference record 9 out of 10 years. To even compare that to probably going 3 straight years out of the NCAA tourney is absurd.

02-19-2006, 08:21 PM	#104
marc Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,505	I think when we argue for Indiana as being "top 10", we mean that it is a top 10 program or a top 10 job. Sort of the way that Notre Dame is a top 10 football job even though until last year they had went basically a decade without being ranked in the top 10. Let's face it, certain programs are always top 10 programs or jobs even if they aren't ranked in the top 10. For example, Washington State a few years back was a top 10 team, so should they have higher standards then Notre Dame or Penn State? No way.

02-23-2006, 04:39 AM	#107
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Say what they want ... I'll take him at IU. Corky from "LIfe Goes On" would be better than Davis.

02-23-2006, 08:19 PM	#114
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	I don't disagree with you I just have this feeling what will happen if it's not Alford. Any two game losing streak and it will be "we should've gotten Alford".