Steelers Win - Page 6

IatricSB · 02-08-2006, 10:38 AM

I've never cared for Seattle (not a dislike, just apathy towards them) so we rooted for the Steelers because my ex-wife came over to watch and shes from PA. But holy cow, we were all making remarks about how one sided the penalties were at key moments. But still, Seattle just flat out lost the game. They played well enough at times to overcome the penalties but would consistently shoot themselves in the foot without the refs help. But that still doesn't excuse the bad performance by the refs. The Steelers played badly. The Seahawks played worse and lost. The refs had nearly as bad a day as the Seahawks.

A totally embarassing game on the field IMO. Nobody has anything to be proud about. The Steelers just happened to be lucky enough to play a team that had a worse day than they did. Both teams seemed to play to "not lose" rather than to win while the refs seemed to "not want to make a mistake" themselves right into mistakes.

darkhorse · 02-08-2006, 12:06 PM

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Operation Shutdown · 02-08-2006, 12:27 PM

Wasn't really sure if I wanted to post this, but here it is. I think that brown blur can pretty clearly be seen as the football, though I'm sure that can be debated.

Sublimity · 02-08-2006, 12:29 PM

This is also in one of the other threads. Cue the "did he have possession?" argument.

matskralc · 02-08-2006, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Operation Shutdown

http://www.camcojb.com/sbXVtd.jpg
Wasn't really sure if I wanted to post this, but here it is. I think that brown blur can pretty clearly seen as the football, though I'm sure that can be debated.

As I pointed out in the other thread in which that picture was posted, it's not unreasonable (from what I can remember of the actual replay) to think Roethlisberger may have had a bit of a bobble of the ball on the way down, including the part where the ball crossed the line. Even in that picture, which is admittedly blurry, that ball doesn't exactly look as though it is unequivocally under control and in his possession. It's certainly not conclusive or definite to think so, and while I do think he scored on that play, it's not unreasonable to question that. It IS unreasonable to think the refs were trying to screw Seattle or something, though.

matskralc · 02-08-2006, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sublimity

This is also in one of the other threads. Cue the "did he have possession?" argument.

+1

darkhorse · 02-08-2006, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Operation Shutdown

Wasn't really sure if I wanted to post this, but here it is. I think that brown blur can pretty clearly be seen as the football, though I'm sure that can be debated.

I saw this replayed many times, like pretty much all of us, and never did I see Ben R's hand come completely off the ball, as the pic above seems to indicate, whilst the play was live. Also,this is a still photo. We can only guess at what point before, during, or after, the play was blown dead that it was snapped.

Edit: Or if it's been photoshopped.

darkhorse · 02-08-2006, 01:01 PM

dola,

It looks like Ben is still airborne in this pic, so the play should be live, but as I said before, I never saw the football completely leave his hand as in this photo.

Sublimity · 02-08-2006, 01:26 PM

I thought he was holding the ball with his right hand the whole time, so the left hand being off doesn't mean much to me. I could be wrong though. Anyone remember that part clearly?

Craig S. · 02-08-2006, 01:27 PM

The refs stunk, but the Ben TD wasn't a bad call. Could have gone either way, and I don't think they would have overturned it regardless of whatever call was made.

sebastian0622 · 02-08-2006, 02:09 PM

I actually thought Big Ben was across the line before the contact. We need more freeze frames.

Craig S. · 02-08-2006, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian0622

I actually thought Big Ben was across the line before the contact. We need more freeze frames.

Or we could just let it go, since they've already had the parade.

Goody · 02-08-2006, 05:10 PM

What's the big brown thing above and slightly to the right of the greenish brown blur that looks suspiciously like grass that you circled?

The big brown thing with the white strip on it? Is that his beard?

Goody · 02-08-2006, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by darkhorse

dola,

It looks like Ben is still airborne in this pic, so the play should be live, but as I said before, I never saw the football completely leave his hand as in this photo.

The ball left his hand...and like seb said...it was before contact with a defender that it was closest to the line. But it left his hand before contact with the defender, too.

Sublimity · 02-08-2006, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 9lives

What's the big brown thing above and slightly to the right of the greenish brown blur that looks suspiciously like grass that you circled?

The big brown thing with the white strip on it? Is that his beard?

I think that's the helmet and chin strap of the Steeler on the ground behind him. Dunno though. This isn't the definitive time anyway, as has been mentioned. It looked like he got in just before the contact.

I feel like someone should be saying "Back, and to the left" over and over in here.

Spielman · 02-08-2006, 06:13 PM

That picture tells me nothing. Neither do any of the replays. Personally, I think you should err on the side of not calling it a TD unless you're sure, but it's so close I don't really give a damn how they called it. Either way would have been fine.

I still feel cheated as a fan though, since what should have been a close game wasn't because all the breaks went one way. That's the way the cookie crumbles, really, but it still sucks.

cooper_gd · 02-08-2006, 11:11 PM

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Goody · 02-09-2006, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Sublimity

I think that's the helmet and chin strap of the Steeler on the ground behind him. Dunno though. This isn't the definitive time anyway, as has been mentioned. It looked like he got in just before the contact.

I feel like someone should be saying "Back, and to the left" over and over in here.

I thought it was his helmet a bit too until I looked at where his shoulder is. Outline is shoulder and then picture where his head could be. His neck would have to be mangled for his head to be that brown blob.

jamus23 · 02-09-2006, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Sublimity

I thought he was holding the ball with his right hand the whole time, so the left hand being off doesn't mean much to me. I could be wrong though. Anyone remember that part clearly?

From what I remember, he was holding the ball in his right hand. From the replay, it appeared that the ball may have just barely crossed the line, before the Seattle defender hit him, in the process pushing his arm and the football backwards. He then hit the ground and pulled the ball from underneath him with his left hand. It's entirely possible that the ball popped out at some point, but it would have been after it crossed the plane, and thus would have been meaningless. That is my memory of the play/replay.

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Originally Posted by Spielman

Personally, I think you should err on the side of not calling it a TD unless you're sure, but it's so close I don't really give a damn how they called it. Either way would have been fine.

Except that the ruling on the field was a touchdown. Once that is the ruling, there is no way to tell from replay that it definitely wasn't. Likewise, if the ruling on the field had not been a touchdown, there would be no way to tell that it definitely was.

Spielman · 02-09-2006, 07:11 PM

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Except that the ruling on the field was a touchdown. Once that is the ruling, there is no way to tell from replay that it definitely wasn't. Likewise, if the ruling on the field had not been a touchdown, there would be no way to tell that it definitely was.

Yes, obviously. I was referring to my ideal for that kind of situation, not to the specific incident. Any criticism for violating that ideal goes to the guy who made the original TD call, not to the guy under the hood reviewing it.

02-08-2006, 10:38 AM	#101
IatricSB Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California Posts: 3,493	I've never cared for Seattle (not a dislike, just apathy towards them) so we rooted for the Steelers because my ex-wife came over to watch and shes from PA. But holy cow, we were all making remarks about how one sided the penalties were at key moments. But still, Seattle just flat out lost the game. They played well enough at times to overcome the penalties but would consistently shoot themselves in the foot without the refs help. But that still doesn't excuse the bad performance by the refs. The Steelers played badly. The Seahawks played worse and lost. The refs had nearly as bad a day as the Seahawks. A totally embarassing game on the field IMO. Nobody has anything to be proud about. The Steelers just happened to be lucky enough to play a team that had a worse day than they did. Both teams seemed to play to "not lose" rather than to win while the refs seemed to "not want to make a mistake" themselves right into mistakes. __________________ Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body; but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!" Chicago(N) - Boys of Summer Oakland - 20th Century League Bakersfield - Wild Things Brooklyn - QBA Dodge City - NBSL California - ABC Dodger's Senioriest fan on the OOTP Boards

02-08-2006, 12:27 PM	#103
Operation Shutdown All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Pittsburgh PA Posts: 912	Wasn't really sure if I wanted to post this, but here it is. I think that brown blur can pretty clearly be seen as the football, though I'm sure that can be debated. __________________ "And Shepherds we shall be, For thee, my Lord, for thee. Power hath descended forth from Thy hand, Our feet may swiftly carry out Thy commands. So we shall flow a river forth to Thee, And teeming with souls shall it ever be. In Nomeni Patri Et Fili Spiritus Sancti."

02-08-2006, 12:29 PM	#104
Sublimity Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: This thread. Posts: 3,199	This is also in one of the other threads. Cue the "did he have possession?" argument. __________________ mrs ria: I hereby dub Sublimity the Glorious Upholder of the 5B3. Current leading vote-getter in the Worst Poster in OT History poll.

02-08-2006, 01:01 PM	#108
darkhorse Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: fort worth, tx Posts: 10,850	dola, It looks like Ben is still airborne in this pic, so the play should be live, but as I said before, I never saw the football completely leave his hand as in this photo. __________________ "The Human Torch was denied a bank loan."

02-08-2006, 01:26 PM	#109
Sublimity Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: This thread. Posts: 3,199	I thought he was holding the ball with his right hand the whole time, so the left hand being off doesn't mean much to me. I could be wrong though. Anyone remember that part clearly? __________________ mrs ria: I hereby dub Sublimity the Glorious Upholder of the 5B3. Current leading vote-getter in the Worst Poster in OT History poll.

02-08-2006, 01:27 PM	#110
Craig S. Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 114	The refs stunk, but the Ben TD wasn't a bad call. Could have gone either way, and I don't think they would have overturned it regardless of whatever call was made.

02-08-2006, 02:09 PM	#111
sebastian0622 Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,465	I actually thought Big Ben was across the line before the contact. We need more freeze frames.

02-08-2006, 05:10 PM	#113
Goody Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Korea Posts: 3,530	What's the big brown thing above and slightly to the right of the greenish brown blur that looks suspiciously like grass that you circled? The big brown thing with the white strip on it? Is that his beard?

02-08-2006, 06:13 PM	#116
Spielman All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,668	That picture tells me nothing. Neither do any of the replays. Personally, I think you should err on the side of not calling it a TD unless you're sure, but it's so close I don't really give a damn how they called it. Either way would have been fine. I still feel cheated as a fan though, since what should have been a close game wasn't because all the breaks went one way. That's the way the cookie crumbles, really, but it still sucks. __________________ Spielman was at one time the smartest person on these boards. http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...martest+Person I don't believe in AnotherAlias.