Louisville Boxing Association - Page 56

Romdawg88 · 02-08-2006, 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mh2365

Rankings - champs, 1-10 and then some pp comparison rankings along with the last ranked main division fighter

Lightheavyweight

WBA - Joe Butler 32-7-2 (676)
WBC - vacant
1. Fred Russell 14-6 (482)
2. Jack O' Brien 24-5-1 (459)
3. Al Weinig 13-10-1 (426)
4. George Byers 13-7-1 (403)
5. Patsy Cardiff 13-12-1 (394)
6. Alex Greggains 11-3-1 (283)
7. Jack Dillon 15-0 (263)
8. Joe Craig 5-9-1 (242)
9. John Donaldson 16-11 (148)
10 John Miller 8-5-2 (147)
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20. John Flood 9-10-2 (12)
35. Jack Beauscholte 8-10-2 (-563)

Man those LHW rankings are brutal to look at, I know you said that it was bad before but didn't think it would be so lacking in talent that guys with records like Craig, Greggains, or Weining would make the top 10 hell even the top 5. Damn.

mh2365 · 02-08-2006, 12:02 PM

Yeah there are only 7 fighters in the main division right now that are rated over 6. Carpentier, McAllister and Morrow are not ranked yet. Dillon, O'brien and Butler are all in the mix. Houck lost a couple in a row before the ratings change so he is languishing at 24th right now.

Fitzsimmons retired last year, will probably be back in 1911 as most of my retirees seem to return (75% chance) but he'll have a 60% chance of coming back post-prime.

No real help on the way either. No one ranked over 6 in the club division and only Levinsky in the beginners. I throw some Heavies down there to begin every year but I tend not to throw guys rated over 5.

25 out of 88 LHW's are rated 4-6. That explains why Weinig and Greggains and Russell are doing so well. Craig is a product of the conversion. He had 14 fights so he got 200 points and then beat a TC for his 15th fight. He'll drop quickly.

I figure as long as Dillon avoids O'Brien before turning prime it'll be a while before he loses, but you never know.

Edit - another thing to remember is that I just started the TC's about 2 years ago so alot of these guys didn't have the advantage of fighting alot of TC's in their first 15 fights, so their records suffered for it.

mh2365 · 02-08-2006, 12:14 PM

Rankings - champs, 1-10 and then some pp comparison rankings along with the last ranked main division fighter

Lightweight

WBA/C - Frank Erne 18-5-2 (752)
1. Jack Everhardt 14-4-3 (771)
2. Jack McAuliffe 33-6-2 (751)
3. Jack Blackburn 25-11-4 (723)
4. George Lavigne 28-12-1 (699)
5. Harry Lyons 30-14-1 (622)
6. Eddie Hanlon 12-5-1 (621)
7. Freddie Welsh 15-4-1 (634)
8. Arthur Chambers 15-3-1 (609)
9. Abe Attell 33-9-2 (489)
10 Austin Gibbons 22-17-3 (507)
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12. Aurelio Herrera 18-8 (480)
25. Jack Dougherty 7-5-3 (266) (P)
55. Harry Stone 8-9-1 (-310) (P)

Featherweight

WBA/C - Jimmy Briggs 14-10-5 (789)
1. Jem Driscoll 35-6-1 (833)
2. Johnny Kilbane 17-1-1 (657) (P)
3. Cal McCarthy 16-3 (496) (P)
4. Oscar Gardner 16-4-1 (490)
5. Billy Snailham 15-4 (373) (P)
6. Young Pluto 15-1 (388) (P)
7. Young Corbett 21-16-4 (347)
8. Marty McCue 14-14-1 (330) (R)
9. Young Griffo 38-8-6 (331)
10. Jerry Marshall 10-7-2 (331)
_____________________
25. Jack Downey 12-6 (210)
50. Billy Ross 7-10 (-23) (P)
66. Billy O' Donnell 7-11-2 (-467)

(P) = pre-prime, (R) = post-prime

mh2365 · 02-08-2006, 12:23 PM

Rankings - champs, 1-10 and then some pp comparison rankings along with the last ranked main division fighter

Bantamweight

WBA - Al Delmont 20-8-2 (738)
WBC - Johnny Coulon 22-3-2 (653)
1. George Dixon 29-8-1 (737)
2. Billy Plimmer 22-13-6 (667)
3. Charles Goldman 14-2-1 (640) (P)
4. Johnny Murphy 15-1-1 (515)
5. Jimmy Walsh 10-10-5 (484)
6. Dave Sullivan 15-2-1 (474) (P)
7. Monte Attell 15-5-1 (451)
8. Owen Moran 26-6-6 (441)
9. Danny Dougherty 15-14-1 (341) (R)
10. Harry Forbes 17-16-6 (315)
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20. Billy Rotchford 13-11-1 (165)
35. Cockney Cohen 8-7-3 (-325)

Flyweight

1. Johnny Hughes 11-2-5 (764)
2. Sid Smith 10-5-2 (175) (P)
3. Jack Foy 7-6-3 (-10) (P)
4. Kid Murphy 16-4-2 (-56)

(P) = pre-prime, (R) = post-prime

mh2365 · 02-09-2006, 10:31 AM

81 out of the 157 beginners were scheduled to fight. They went 67-10-4 against the TC's. It was a good month except for the LW's who went 6-5. Several fighters moved up to club.

HW - Jack Ashton (7-0-1), Ranji Burns (4-2-4) Lee Croft (7-0), Jim Fitzpatrick (7-1), Pearce Henry (8-0), Ben Knutsen (3-3-2), Charley Mann (8-0), Charley Miller (5-2-1), Tony Vasser (4-3-1)

LH - Young Hank Griffin (5-1-2)

MW - Willie Brennan (7-0-1), Joe Chip (8-0), Herb Goddard (3-2-3) Jack Laerence (5-2-1), Teddy Neary (5-1)

WW - Perry Queenan (4-2-2), Tom Tracey (6-0), Matt Wells (8-0)

LW - Tim Collins (8-0), Henry Scroggs (5-1-1)

FW - Patsy Brannigan (8-0), Mike Sears (7-1)

FLY - Grover Hayes (7-0-1)

djday45 · 02-09-2006, 11:37 AM

Mike, do you keep records of guys you have added to the database? Because im sure you have got tons of guys I Havent lol.

rgds
Dean

mh2365 · 02-09-2006, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djday45

Mike, do you keep records of guys you have added to the database? Because im sure you have got tons of guys I Havent lol.

rgds
Dean

Not really ... I currently have 10,720 in my db without any women or tomato cans. I'm sure there are a few doubles in there though.

mh2365 · 02-10-2006, 05:03 AM

Quick note ... Austrailian Billy Smith has been campaiging as a HW in my universe, evidently he was a LHW so he has dropped down to LHW. He is currently 22-14-1 and debuts ranked 13 in the LHW division.

mh2365 · 02-11-2006, 02:52 AM

169 out of the 436 main division fighters were scheduled to fight this month with 51 pre and posts facing TC's. They went 45-3-3 against them for a very successful month.

mh2365 · 02-11-2006, 12:24 PM

Not many this month, only 3 but there's also 4 title elimination bouts.

LH - (WBA) Joe Butler (32-7-2) vs. Alec Greggains (6) (11-3-1) (first meeting, Greggains at pre)

MW - (WBC) Charles McCoy (26-8-3) vs. Dan Creedon (3) (25-12-1) (McCoy won by TKO1 (cut) in 1907)

LW - (WBA/C) Frank Erne (18-5-2) vs. Austin Gibbons (10) (22-17-3) (Erne won by UD10 in 1906)

Tosti · 02-11-2006, 02:05 PM

MH could you post your file for Butler please.

mh2365 · 02-11-2006, 03:40 PM

I moved him to LH in TBCB1 and don't remember what I changed in him. I don't have the new db up right now to compare him either but here he is

Tosti · 02-11-2006, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mh2365

I moved him to LH in TBCB1 and don't remember what I changed in him. I don't have the new db up right now to compare him either but here he is

Thanks

mh2365 · 02-11-2006, 03:46 PM

He has cruised through the LHW division since moving going 10-0-1

Tosti · 02-11-2006, 04:17 PM

He's only a 4 in my uni.

Just had a quick look on boxrec, at first glance yours looks more accurate. Most of his poor performances were late on.

He's 4-6-1 at Middleweight in mine, may have to do a bit of tweaking.

Watch the WBF timeline for the miraculous rise to fame of Butler

mh2365 · 02-11-2006, 05:14 PM

I just checked the main db and sure enough he is listed as a 4. What I think may of happen is someone posted a file of him as a MW (rated a 9) where looking at boxrec he was real strong, and then when I moved him to LH in my universe I only adjusted a couple of things which dropped him to an 8.

mh2365 · 02-11-2006, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Romdawg88

Man those LHW rankings are brutal to look at, I know you said that it was bad before but didn't think it would be so lacking in talent that guys with records like Craig, Greggains, or Weining would make the top 10 hell even the top 5. Damn.

Craig is 5-9-1 and he just drew Leo Houck for a fight in May, losing this fight will drop him back to the club ranks and out of the rankings.

mh2365 · 02-11-2006, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djday45

Mike, do you keep records of guys you have added to the database? Because im sure you have got tons of guys I Havent lol.

rgds
Dean

Anytime I mention a guy you don't have let me know and I will post him, usually I have no idea where I got them unless it is posted in the biography.

mh2365 · 02-13-2006, 07:42 PM

Only 104 of the 268 club fighters were scheduled to fight this month with 48 of them against TC's. They went 41-5-2

Brooks TVB · 02-13-2006, 08:35 PM

MH I need a few heavies whose career started in 1901, I am very slim there. Can you help?

02-08-2006, 12:02 PM	#1102
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Yeah there are only 7 fighters in the main division right now that are rated over 6. Carpentier, McAllister and Morrow are not ranked yet. Dillon, O'brien and Butler are all in the mix. Houck lost a couple in a row before the ratings change so he is languishing at 24th right now. Fitzsimmons retired last year, will probably be back in 1911 as most of my retirees seem to return (75% chance) but he'll have a 60% chance of coming back post-prime. No real help on the way either. No one ranked over 6 in the club division and only Levinsky in the beginners. I throw some Heavies down there to begin every year but I tend not to throw guys rated over 5. 25 out of 88 LHW's are rated 4-6. That explains why Weinig and Greggains and Russell are doing so well. Craig is a product of the conversion. He had 14 fights so he got 200 points and then beat a TC for his 15th fight. He'll drop quickly. I figure as long as Dillon avoids O'Brien before turning prime it'll be a while before he loses, but you never know. Edit - another thing to remember is that I just started the TC's about 2 years ago so alot of these guys didn't have the advantage of fighting alot of TC's in their first 15 fights, so their records suffered for it. Last edited by mh2365; 02-08-2006 at 12:15 PM.

02-08-2006, 12:14 PM	#1103
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	rankings continued Rankings - champs, 1-10 and then some pp comparison rankings along with the last ranked main division fighter Lightweight WBA/C - Frank Erne 18-5-2 (752) 1. Jack Everhardt 14-4-3 (771) 2. Jack McAuliffe 33-6-2 (751) 3. Jack Blackburn 25-11-4 (723) 4. George Lavigne 28-12-1 (699) 5. Harry Lyons 30-14-1 (622) 6. Eddie Hanlon 12-5-1 (621) 7. Freddie Welsh 15-4-1 (634) 8. Arthur Chambers 15-3-1 (609) 9. Abe Attell 33-9-2 (489) 10 Austin Gibbons 22-17-3 (507) _______________________ 12. Aurelio Herrera 18-8 (480) 25. Jack Dougherty 7-5-3 (266) (P) 55. Harry Stone 8-9-1 (-310) (P) Featherweight WBA/C - Jimmy Briggs 14-10-5 (789) 1. Jem Driscoll 35-6-1 (833) 2. Johnny Kilbane 17-1-1 (657) (P) 3. Cal McCarthy 16-3 (496) (P) 4. Oscar Gardner 16-4-1 (490) 5. Billy Snailham 15-4 (373) (P) 6. Young Pluto 15-1 (388) (P) 7. Young Corbett 21-16-4 (347) 8. Marty McCue 14-14-1 (330) (R) 9. Young Griffo 38-8-6 (331) 10. Jerry Marshall 10-7-2 (331) _____________________ 25. Jack Downey 12-6 (210) 50. Billy Ross 7-10 (-23) (P) 66. Billy O' Donnell 7-11-2 (-467) (P) = pre-prime, (R) = post-prime Last edited by mh2365; 02-08-2006 at 12:25 PM.

02-08-2006, 12:23 PM	#1104
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	rankings concluded Rankings - champs, 1-10 and then some pp comparison rankings along with the last ranked main division fighter Bantamweight WBA - Al Delmont 20-8-2 (738) WBC - Johnny Coulon 22-3-2 (653) 1. George Dixon 29-8-1 (737) 2. Billy Plimmer 22-13-6 (667) 3. Charles Goldman 14-2-1 (640) (P) 4. Johnny Murphy 15-1-1 (515) 5. Jimmy Walsh 10-10-5 (484) 6. Dave Sullivan 15-2-1 (474) (P) 7. Monte Attell 15-5-1 (451) 8. Owen Moran 26-6-6 (441) 9. Danny Dougherty 15-14-1 (341) (R) 10. Harry Forbes 17-16-6 (315) _________________________ 20. Billy Rotchford 13-11-1 (165) 35. Cockney Cohen 8-7-3 (-325) Flyweight 1. Johnny Hughes 11-2-5 (764) 2. Sid Smith 10-5-2 (175) (P) 3. Jack Foy 7-6-3 (-10) (P) 4. Kid Murphy 16-4-2 (-56) (P) = pre-prime, (R) = post-prime

02-09-2006, 10:31 AM	#1105
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	beginners for May 1910 81 out of the 157 beginners were scheduled to fight. They went 67-10-4 against the TC's. It was a good month except for the LW's who went 6-5. Several fighters moved up to club. HW - Jack Ashton (7-0-1), Ranji Burns (4-2-4) Lee Croft (7-0), Jim Fitzpatrick (7-1), Pearce Henry (8-0), Ben Knutsen (3-3-2), Charley Mann (8-0), Charley Miller (5-2-1), Tony Vasser (4-3-1) LH - Young Hank Griffin (5-1-2) MW - Willie Brennan (7-0-1), Joe Chip (8-0), Herb Goddard (3-2-3) Jack Laerence (5-2-1), Teddy Neary (5-1) WW - Perry Queenan (4-2-2), Tom Tracey (6-0), Matt Wells (8-0) LW - Tim Collins (8-0), Henry Scroggs (5-1-1) FW - Patsy Brannigan (8-0), Mike Sears (7-1) FLY - Grover Hayes (7-0-1)

02-11-2006, 02:52 AM	#1109
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	main vs TC's May 1910 169 out of the 436 main division fighters were scheduled to fight this month with 51 pre and posts facing TC's. They went 45-3-3 against them for a very successful month.

02-09-2006, 11:37 AM	#1106
djday45 All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,502	Mike, do you keep records of guys you have added to the database? Because im sure you have got tons of guys I Havent lol. rgds Dean

02-10-2006, 05:03 AM	#1108
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Quick note ... Austrailian Billy Smith has been campaiging as a HW in my universe, evidently he was a LHW so he has dropped down to LHW. He is currently 22-14-1 and debuts ranked 13 in the LHW division.

02-11-2006, 12:24 PM	#1110
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	May 1910 title fights Not many this month, only 3 but there's also 4 title elimination bouts. LH - (WBA) Joe Butler (32-7-2) vs. Alec Greggains (6) (11-3-1) (first meeting, Greggains at pre) MW - (WBC) Charles McCoy (26-8-3) vs. Dan Creedon (3) (25-12-1) (McCoy won by TKO1 (cut) in 1907) LW - (WBA/C) Frank Erne (18-5-2) vs. Austin Gibbons (10) (22-17-3) (Erne won by UD10 in 1906)

02-11-2006, 02:05 PM	#1111
Tosti Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: London Posts: 6,735	MH could you post your file for Butler please.

02-11-2006, 03:40 PM	#1112
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	I moved him to LH in TBCB1 and don't remember what I changed in him. I don't have the new db up right now to compare him either but here he is Last edited by mh2365; 04-15-2007 at 08:08 PM.

02-11-2006, 03:46 PM	#1114
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	He has cruised through the LHW division since moving going 10-0-1

02-11-2006, 04:17 PM	#1115
Tosti Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: London Posts: 6,735	He's only a 4 in my uni. Just had a quick look on boxrec, at first glance yours looks more accurate. Most of his poor performances were late on. He's 4-6-1 at Middleweight in mine, may have to do a bit of tweaking. Watch the WBF timeline for the miraculous rise to fame of Butler

02-11-2006, 05:14 PM	#1116
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	I just checked the main db and sure enough he is listed as a 4. What I think may of happen is someone posted a file of him as a MW (rated a 9) where looking at boxrec he was real strong, and then when I moved him to LH in my universe I only adjusted a couple of things which dropped him to an 8.

02-13-2006, 07:42 PM	#1119
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	club vs TC's May 1910 Only 104 of the 268 club fighters were scheduled to fight this month with 48 of them against TC's. They went 41-5-2

02-13-2006, 08:35 PM	#1120
Brooks TVB All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Loudon, TN. Posts: 1,439	MH I need a few heavies whose career started in 1901, I am very slim there. Can you help?