2007 New York Yankees Thread - Page 56

CommishJoe · 06-27-2007, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by eriqjaffe

It's no secret that the Sox want at least 2 top prospects for Buehrle. Probably more than that if Buehrle re-signs and the Sox are still looking to trade him.

I don't see the Sox moving Konerko - that's just another case of "the Yankees can get any player they want to fill their holes because they're the Yankees," IMO.

With Williams as the GM, I wouldn't be so sure

Seriously though, I am hoping that Cashman doesn't trade any top pitching prospects for quick fixes. At least Buehrle is young but I said the same thing about Weaver and Vazquez too

CMH · 06-27-2007, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by eriqjaffe

I don't see the Sox moving Konerko - that's just another case of "the Yankees can get any player they want to fill their holes because they're the Yankees," IMO.

Yea, I took the Konerko rumor as the NY media trying to find a player that fits their need.

Moving Konerko would be dumb.

Tony M · 06-27-2007, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

Vizcaino

Hmmm...

Wang is 7-4, Pettitte is 4-5 and Vizcaino is 4-1 (which is impressive given he's sporting a 5+ ERA, the offence must love batting when he's pitching)

I would probably keep Vizcaino (it's not every team that has a reliever picking up 1/9th of the team's victories)

CMH · 06-27-2007, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by redsoxford

Hmmm...

Wang is 7-4, Pettitte is 4-5 and Vizcaino is 4-1 (which is impressive given he's sporting a 5+ ERA, the offence must love batting when he's pitching)

I would probably keep Vizcaino (it's not every team that has a reliever picking up 1/9th of the team's victories)

I won't do the research, but I wonder how many of those wins came after Vizcaino blew the lead.

CMH · 06-27-2007, 01:16 PM

Well, did the research because I can't just say something without making sure and it looks like Vizcaino "earned" those victories.

Tony M · 06-27-2007, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by YankeePride

I won't do the research, but I wonder how many of those wins came after Vizcaino blew the lead.

The May 3rd appearance against the Rangers is the only game in which Vizcaino got a BS and a W

darkhorse · 06-27-2007, 01:32 PM

Vizcaino has been lousy this year. Walk to K ratio of 22/27 is ghastly. He's given up 22 runs in 37 IP. Yuck!

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/vizcalu01.php

Luis_Rivera · 06-27-2007, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by redsoxford

Vizcaino is 4-1 (which is impressive given he's sporting a 5+ ERA

That's not impressive, it just shows his luck. W-L records are a terrible way of evaluating pitchers.

Tony M · 06-27-2007, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Luis_Rivera

That's not impressive, it just shows his luck. W-L records are a terrible way of evaluating pitchers.

I know it is. I can't stand this god-like status of RBI either.

You can post a line of 0-35 in a regular season with 35 complete games and an ERA of 1.00 and a WHIP of 0.11 if your offence fails to score, and most people would look at the 0-35 and think 'crap pitcher'

CMH · 06-27-2007, 03:02 PM

Would a WHIP of 0.11 even be possible if you had an ERA of 1.00? You'd have to give up a homerun per game, pitch a few no-hitters through 9, and go into the 10th inning a few times.

Of course, I'm just giving you a hard time because I'm bored.

edit: This is why I didn't study math. I'd have to change that to giving up one homerun in every start and nothing else. Talk about bad luck.

1998 Yankees · 06-27-2007, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Luis_Rivera

That's not impressive, it just shows his luck. W-L records are a terrible way of evaluating pitchers.

Especially relief pitchers. I would prefer mine to all be 0-0.

And, turning it around, look at poor Pettitte who could be 9-5 now instead of 4-5 with a little bit of help from his bullpen. He's been great, and 4-5 does not tell the story at all.

Astros33Resurrected · 06-27-2007, 07:23 PM

I'm back. Maybe now the Yankees will win some!

thomamon · 06-27-2007, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Astros33Resurrected

I'm back. Maybe now the Yankees will win some!

If thats all it takes, I'm afraid your not going anywhere... Ever again.

Astros33Resurrected · 06-27-2007, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by thomamon

If thats all it takes, I'm afraid your not going anywhere... Ever again.

ok. Will do. I will never leave OOTP again!

1998 Yankees · 06-27-2007, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Astros33Resurrected

I'm back. Maybe now the Yankees will win some!

Welcome back, in either case.

Astros33Resurrected · 06-27-2007, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

Welcome back, in either case.

thanks buddy!

CMH · 06-27-2007, 07:37 PM

An Iron Man avatar. I hope they do justice to the character, but I'm not having my hopes too high.

I don't know why, but I just can't stand watching Yankee/Oriole games. I just find the matchups ridiculously boring.

CMH · 06-27-2007, 07:47 PM

For those Baseball Prospectus guys, can you direct me to the link that apparently mentions the Yankees as now having the best core of pitching prospects in baseball?

CMH · 06-27-2007, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by YankeePride

For those Baseball Prospectus guys, can you direct me to the link that apparently mentions the Yankees as now having the best core of pitching prospects in baseball?

Better hope this is true because things just don't look good in New York.

Tony M · 06-28-2007, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by YankeePride

Better hope this is true because things just don't look good in New York.

A stat on the wrap on MLB.com was that the Yankees haven't been below 0.500 this late in a season (because the season is really late at the moment) since September 1995.

And Clemens not striking anyone out for the first time in over 200 starts.

The only good point for the Yankees is that Big Papi seems to becoming un-clutch at the wrong time (him, Manny and 'tek went a combined 1-15 last night)

06-27-2007, 01:32 PM	#1107
darkhorse Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: fort worth, tx Posts: 10,850	Vizcaino has been lousy this year. Walk to K ratio of 22/27 is ghastly. He's given up 22 runs in 37 IP. Yuck! http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/vizcalu01.php __________________ "The Human Torch was denied a bank loan."

06-27-2007, 03:02 PM	#1110
CMH Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,057	Would a WHIP of 0.11 even be possible if you had an ERA of 1.00? You'd have to give up a homerun per game, pitch a few no-hitters through 9, and go into the 10th inning a few times. Of course, I'm just giving you a hard time because I'm bored. edit: This is why I didn't study math. I'd have to change that to giving up one homerun in every start and nothing else. Talk about bad luck. Last edited by CMH; 06-27-2007 at 03:04 PM.

06-27-2007, 01:16 PM	#1105
CMH Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,057	Well, did the research because I can't just say something without making sure and it looks like Vizcaino "earned" those victories.

06-27-2007, 07:23 PM	#1112
Astros33Resurrected Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Lufkin, TX Posts: 2,213	I'm back. Maybe now the Yankees will win some!

06-27-2007, 07:37 PM	#1117
CMH Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,057	An Iron Man avatar. I hope they do justice to the character, but I'm not having my hopes too high. I don't know why, but I just can't stand watching Yankee/Oriole games. I just find the matchups ridiculously boring.

06-27-2007, 07:47 PM	#1118
CMH Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,057	For those Baseball Prospectus guys, can you direct me to the link that apparently mentions the Yankees as now having the best core of pitching prospects in baseball?