2006 Oakland A's Thread - Page 56

johnnyshaka · 05-31-2006, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JDOldSchool

Well, see, now I know you don't know what you're talking about. Oakland has been a hitters park in three of the last four years. The only thing that helps pitchers is the massive foul territory. Other than that, it's a total hitters park.

Just about half of his at bats in Oakland were in '03 and '02...when Oakland was the toughest ball park to hit in.

JDOldSchool · 05-31-2006, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnyshaka

Just about half of his at bats in Oakland were in '03 and '02...when Oakland was the toughest ball park to hit in.

2003, yes. In 2002 it was a very good hitters' park. Where are you getting your numbers?

On another note, they just said on the mlb.tv broadcast that Ellis is expected to be put on the DL after today's game. Add him to the list.

mikev · 05-31-2006, 05:30 PM

Yep, DL with a broken thumb. Possibly 8 weeks

At least Thomas and Crosby homered today.

JDOldSchool · 05-31-2006, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mikev

Yep, DL with a broken thumb. Possibly 8 weeks

At least Thomas and Crosby homered today.

Frank is looking great at the plate. And Crosby seems to be coming around, too. With Bradley swining the bat from both sides of the plate now, I don't think it'll be long before this offense gets rolling.

mikev · 05-31-2006, 06:12 PM

Big Hurt OPS: .823 and rising

Tell me you won't take that for 500K :P

johnnyshaka · 05-31-2006, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mikev

The same Omar Quintanilla sporting a .750 OPS in AAA Colorado Springs?

Yup, the same one that was a top 10 prospect of ours for a couple of years prior to being dealt and became expendable after drafting Pennington.

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Originally Posted by mikev

When one of the corner OFers is a 2nd year (league minimum) and the other is in his last year of arbitration eligibility, obviously they're going to be cheap.

What do you think Swisher would be worth RIGHT NOW if he was a FA? 5M per? 10?

Part of the business, the part BB has excelled at for years. That is the whole point of drafting college kids so that we can hopefully make useful, cheap ball players out of them in a short period of time so we don't have to overpay for guys like Payton. As for Swisher's value RIGHT NOW...what does that have to do with anything?? We are getting him at a discount...good for us...so should we be trying to balance that windfall by overpaying for Payton?? Of course not.

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Originally Posted by mikev

I'm curious, which defensive specialist would you rather have than Payton?

Kenny Lofton, Dave Roberts, Reed Johnson, Endy Chavez, Ryan Freel, Willy Mo Pena, Jeff DaVanon...heck, why not give Bocachica a try or bring up Charles Thomas??

JDOldSchool · 05-31-2006, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnyshaka

Kenny Lofton, Dave Roberts, Reed Johnson, Endy Chavez, Ryan Freel, Willy Mo Pena, Jeff DaVanon...heck, why not give Bocachica a try or bring up Charles Thomas??

Half of those guys aren't even remotely "defensive specialists." In fact, a couple of them are downright bad defensively.

Green & Gold Heart · 05-31-2006, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnyshaka

heck, why not give Bocachica a try or bring up Charles Thomas??

I agree with this. At least if I was playing OOTP Payton would have been gone and one of those guys would be my 4th/5th OF.

mikev · 05-31-2006, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnyshaka

.so should we be trying to balance that windfall by overpaying for Payton?? Of course not.

No, but your argument that Payton makes more than both the starting corner OFers is a lot weaker when you consider that by MLB rules there is a fixed amount of money that the 2 corner OFs in question are allowed to make.

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Kenny Lofton, Dave Roberts, Reed Johnson, Endy Chavez, Ryan Freel, Willy Mo Pena, Jeff DaVanon...heck, why not give Bocachica a try or bring up Charles Thomas??

Lofton - 3.8M this year, would we still be overpaying for a 4th OF?
Roberts - SD wouldn't let him go
Johnson - Not a 4th OF, hes gettin a lot of starts with Wells and Rios.
Chavez - decent option
Freel - You're kidding right? Cincy loves him
Pena - Defensive butcher!
DaVanon - Not much better #s than Payton, and he's in the NL now.

Meh. anyways, I'm done arguing about it. Our only hope is that payton and keilty get dealt to somebody who needs outfielders (I'm looking at you, Yankees with matsui injured).

johnnyshaka · 05-31-2006, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JDOldSchool

2003, yes. In 2002 it was a very good hitters' park. Where are you getting your numbers?.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/...or&season=2002

Then I went and checked out baseball-reference.com and the 2002 numbers are way different. Hmmm...

JDOldSchool · 05-31-2006, 06:39 PM

!!!!!!!!!!!!!

KENDALL GOES YARD!

The weirdest part about it is that I was just thinking about how I think he's gonna hit one soon. Weird.

Green & Gold Heart · 05-31-2006, 06:40 PM

I don't believe what I just saw!!!!

mirrf · 05-31-2006, 06:43 PM

I didn't see it, but I'm sure it'll be on SportsCenter tonight. Err, is this a sign of good things to come? I sure hope so.

johnnyshaka · 05-31-2006, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JDOldSchool

!!!!!!!!!!!!!

KENDALL GOES YARD!

I take back all park factor stuff...McAfee Coliseum has got to be a launching pad!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mikev · 05-31-2006, 06:47 PM

Unbelieveable.

JDOldSchool · 05-31-2006, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mirrf

I didn't see it, but I'm sure it'll be on SportsCenter tonight. Err, is this a sign of good things to come? I sure hope so.

Well, not to take a nice hit away from Kendall, but the ball cleared the 330 sign on the left field wall by about 3-4 feet. It was a line drive that just sneaked over the fence. In most of parks, that's a double.

But still, good for Jason. I just liked seeing him hit the ball hard. Hopefully that continues.

Rizon · 05-31-2006, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Green & Gold Heart

Do you expect the Niners to be better than the A's?

I'd rather die than be a Whiners fan. Or Faiders fan, either.

Faroo6 · 06-01-2006, 03:30 AM

Only two more wins to go and I can start watching the A's again.

sean-patin · 06-01-2006, 04:20 AM

That was Kendall's first HR in (I think it said) 961 at-bats.... WOW!

mikev · 06-01-2006, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Faroo6

Only two more wins to go and I can start watching the A's again.

Consecutively?

Ouch.

05-31-2006, 05:30 PM	#1103
mikev Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 4,014	Yep, DL with a broken thumb. Possibly 8 weeks At least Thomas and Crosby homered today. __________________ Global Unified Baseball Association - Vice Commish and Oakland Oaks GM

05-31-2006, 06:12 PM	#1105
mikev Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 4,014	Big Hurt OPS: .823 and rising Tell me you won't take that for 500K :P __________________ Global Unified Baseball Association - Vice Commish and Oakland Oaks GM

05-31-2006, 06:47 PM	#1115
mikev Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 4,014	Unbelieveable. __________________ Global Unified Baseball Association - Vice Commish and Oakland Oaks GM

05-31-2006, 06:39 PM	#1111
JDOldSchool Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,023	!!!!!!!!!!!!! KENDALL GOES YARD! The weirdest part about it is that I was just thinking about how I think he's gonna hit one soon. Weird.

05-31-2006, 06:40 PM	#1112
Green & Gold Heart Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 5,242	I don't believe what I just saw!!!!

05-31-2006, 06:43 PM	#1113
mirrf All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bay Area, Ca Posts: 1,849	I didn't see it, but I'm sure it'll be on SportsCenter tonight. Err, is this a sign of good things to come? I sure hope so.

06-01-2006, 04:20 AM	#1119
sean-patin Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 205	That was Kendall's first HR in (I think it said) 961 at-bats.... WOW!