WC 2006 Official Thread - Page 554

LFC1892 · 06-27-2006, 12:50 AM

I apologise for the expletives there....its not everyday you see your team that was expected to be cannon fodder, go out of the tourney in that fashion. Yes, we should have done better, and I have said for a long time that we need a clinical finisher....we just havent got that yet...but I'm still proud of the way we handled ourselves throughout the tournament. Good luck to those with teams left to root for, and I'm sure we will be better for the experience in future years. Now I wonder who'll be lining up to take over when Guus jets off to Russia? Several big names have been mentioned, but god knows who the FFA will appoint. I think we should wait until the WC fever had died down, before naming someone and placing them under immediate pressure with our decent performance still fresh in the publics mind.

Disappointed, but still damn proud to be an Aussie.

Chisanga · 06-27-2006, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by GUTIERREZ

Disappointed, but still damn proud to be an Aussie.

As you should be

Your lads did incredibly well

LFC1892 · 06-27-2006, 12:57 AM

Hey Chisanga, whats this I hear about Reuben Thorne coming back to Black? He's been out of favor for a while now hasnt he?

Chisanga · 06-27-2006, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by GUTIERREZ

Hey Chisanga, whats this I hear about Reuben Thorne coming back to Black? He's been out of favor for a while now hasnt he?

Yeah heard that today. Probably because we haven't been playing too well. want to add some stability and seniority back into the team perhaps?

Edit: Troy Flavell has a shoulder injury too so that's also why

Chisanga · 06-27-2006, 01:05 AM

Apparently Socceroo's getting their lawyers to look at the penalty footage!? To what end I don't know

bababui · 06-27-2006, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Chisanga

Apparently Socceroo's getting their lawyers to look at the penalty footage!? To what end I don't know

Lawyers are worse than Italians.

Treches · 06-27-2006, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by GUTIERREZ

F##k that...as poor as they have been so far, I'll probably be hoping England or Spain can go all the way.Only because of the Liverpool players involved. Italy can kiss my a##.

That was vintage Italy. Great assist by that moron Medina, a piss-poor referee that wasn't to be in the WC to start with. The original chosen Spanish ref was disqualified because one of his assistants (!) didn't pass the physical as he was injured. And they go and chose Medina, a FIFA-like official and probably the most hated ref in Spain. He's being crucified unmercifully by the Spanish media today.

Sdpm100 · 06-27-2006, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by GUTIERREZ

Several big names have been mentioned, but god knows who the FFA will appoint.

I've heard it might well be Gerard Houllier.

Sdpm100 · 06-27-2006, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Treches

That was vintage Italy. Great assist by that moron Medina, a piss-poor referee that wasn't to be in the WC to start with. The original chosen Spanish ref was disqualified because one of his assistants (!) didn't pass the physical as he was injured. And they go and chose Medina, a FIFA-like official and probably the most hated ref in Spain. He's being crucified unmercifully by the Spanish media today.

I know I've heard that - don't get me started on Blatter again, please.

Mr. Mejuto Gonzalez should be there, I rate him very highly as a ref - he's not the quintessential Liga referee who if he starts brandishing the cards early, you know you're definitely going to have at least a couple off by the end of the game.

Just because one of his assistants was injured, I tell you...

Treches · 06-27-2006, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Sdpm100

I know I've heard that - don't get me started on Blatter again, please.

Mr. Mejuto Gonzalez should be there, I rate him very highly as a ref - he's not the quintessential Liga referee who if he starts brandishing the cards early, you know you're definitely going to have at least a couple off by the end of the game.

Just because one of his assistants was injured, I tell you...

A class-act fella Mejuto. Backed up his assistant when he was disqualified and otherwise remained quiet. It's insane. Named the second best ref in the world in 2005 (of course, FIFA-protegé Markus Merk was #1 - he was at his best in USA vs Ghana) and out of the WC nevertheless. Meanwhile you have lads from Benin, Egipt, etc. officiating games. And Medina, who couldn't tell the difference between a penalty foul and a watermelon.

Eumel · 06-27-2006, 09:48 AM

I'm a bit bored, so I did a bit of research on referee perormances, according to the German "Kicker" magazine. They rate referees on a scale of 1 to 6, with 1 being best (given very rarely) and 6 being worst (Poll and Medina each got one).

Code:

1 Poulat (FRA)             2.25/2 games
2 De Bleeckere (BEL)       2.67/3
3 Kamikawa (JPN)           2.75/2
4 Maidin (SIN)             2.83/3
  Merk (GER)               2.83/3 (2, 1.5 and 5 (US-Ghana))
6 Rodriguez (MEX)          3.00/2
  Simon (BRA)              3.00/3
  Archundia (MEX)          3.00/4
9 Larrionda (URU)          3.17/3
  Medina (ESP)             3.17/6 (1.5, 2 and 6)
11 Elizondo (ARG)          3.50/3
   Codjia (BEN)            3.50/2
13 Poll (ENG)              3.67/3 (3, 2 and 6)
14 Amarilla (PAR)          3.83/3
15 Busacca (SUI)	   4.17/3
16 Shield (AUS)            4.25/2
   Michel (SVK)            4.25/2
18 Rosetti (ITA)           4.33/3
   Ivanov (RUS)            4.33/3
20 Ruiz (COL)              4.50/1
21 Abd El Fatah (EGY)      5.00/1

It's interesting how subjective impressions and statistics sometimes differ...some guys had very inconsistent performances.

De Bleeckere in the finals maybe?

Sdpm100 · 06-27-2006, 11:09 AM

Morning/afternoon everyone.

Further to bababui listing some of the more infamous WC finals games, I've decided to have a think and make out my all-time XI of IMO infamous games (sorry if you feel I've upstaged you bababui

)

So here it is, feel free to add to or disagree with my XI (not in any order).

Sdpm100 · 06-27-2006, 11:11 AM

1 – Chile 1962 (Chile 2-0 Italy), the “Battle of Santiago”
The original, and worst ever example of bad sportsmanship between two teams occurred in the hosts second group game against Italy.
Italian journalists had started it all by making derogatory comments about their hosts, and within the first 12 seconds the first foul was committed. English ref Ken Aston, who was too weak to control the game, ordered off two Italians, and police had to come on to the field on a number of occasions. The fighting didn’t even finish after the final whistle – as Chile won 2-0, and Italy went back home after being eliminated at the group stage.

2 – Germany 2006 (Portugal 1-0 Netherlands), the “Battle of Nuremberg”
The new version of the Battle of Santiago. Two teams blood thirsty after a fiery Euro 2004 semifinal, which Portugal also won, see to it that referee Valentin Ivanov awards four red cards, a record at a World Cup finals match.
Luis Figo also should have been dismissed for a head butt that Mr. Ivanov only awarded a yellow card for.

3 – Germany 2006 (Australia 2-2 Croatia)
Graham Poll fails to pass the simplest refereeing job of all. After awarding two yellow cards to Croatian Josip Simunic, he fails to send the defender off. He finally does so after Simunic argues with him at the final whistle – making it three yellow cards to a single player, a first at a World Cup finals game.

4 – Germany 2006 (Italy 1-1 USA), the “Battle of Kaiserslautern”
I hope your beginning to realise there is a pattern here. The third and last entrant from the 2006 tournament was the Group E match between Italy and the USA, a game in one of the two “Group of Death”.
Daniele De Rossi chose to take that phrase literally, nearly decapitating Brian McBride with a deliberate elbow to the face. The USA then have two players sent off of their own (at this point, only the fourth time a World Cup finals game has seen three players sent off), and referee Jorge Larrionda then does a complete role reversal after the third red card to Eddie Pope, and from being strict he becomes very lenient, as a number of other infringements could well have led to further dismissals.
Larrionda however does referee two other group games (Portugal/Angola and France/Togo) very well.

5 – Spain 1982 Semi-Final (West Germany 3-3 France, West Germany win on penalties)
The semi-final at Spain ’82 saw Harald Schumacher commit, and get away with, assault on Patrick Battiston.
The German goalkeeper made no attempt to play the ball, instead deliberately clattering into the Frenchman, knocking him unconscious, yet Dutch referee Charles Corver amazingly awarded nothing other than a goal kick.

6 – Spain 1982 (West Germany 1-0 Austria)
Earlier in the tournament, the Germans had been involved in another controversial game.
At this World Cup, the final two group games weren’t played at the same time as they are now.
West Germany had surprisingly lost to Algeria in their opening game, but coming into their final game with Austria, after the Africans had beaten Chile earlier in the day, both teams knew a 1-0 win for Germany would send both teams through to the second group stage.
Horst Hrubesch scored after 10 minutes, and after that both teams just passed the ball between themselves and back to the goalkeeper (back passes were allowed then), and surprise, surprise it finished 1-0.
The crowd booed, FIFA did nothing (sound familiar?).

7 – Mexico 1986 Quarter-Final (Argentina 2-1 England)
Diego Maradona. “Hand of God”. That is all you need to know why this makes my list.
Then later, Maradona shows why he is one of the greatest, by dribbling from the half-way line and seemingly beating 15 English players before slotting past Peter Shilton for what proved the winner.

8 – France 1998 Final (France 3-0 Brazil)
What exactly went on with Ronaldo before the final?

9 – USA 1994 (USA 2-1 Colombia)
One of the darkest days, as after the tournament Colombian defender Andres Escobar is shot dead in Medellin after conceding an own goal in Colombia’s loss to the hosts, a result that eventually eliminated the South Americans at the group stage.

10 – Argentina 1978 (Brazil 1-1 Sweden)
A less well known one. Controversial Welsh referee Clive Thomas disallows Zico’s stunning strike from a corner kick, for what he to this day says “time was up, adding any more time would be cheating”.
Everyone else disagreed. It’s lucky he wasn’t reffing yesterday’s game, as Italy wouldn’t have been allowed to take the penalty.

11 – England 1966 Final (England 4-2 West Germany, after extra time)
The only time the birthplace of football has won the World Cup, and it may well have come down to a linesman’s decision. Azerbaijani (then Soviet) Tofik Bakhramov said Geoff Hurst’s strike had come off the crossbar and gone over the line, and that led to the now famous “they think it’s all over… it is now!” commentary from Kenneth Wolstenholme as Hurst became the first and only player to score a hattrick in a World Cup final.

12 (Sub) – Brazil 1950 (USA 1-0 England)
More famous than infamous, but it shocked the world of football all the same.
The English didn’t even compete at the three pre-war tournaments, and only made their debut in Brazil.
Facing the amateur players of the USA in Belo Horizonte, Joe Gaetjens scored the only goal of the game, as the USA produced in my opinion, the biggest shock in international football history.

Sdpm100 · 06-27-2006, 11:27 AM

Game 55: Round of 16, Brazil vs. Ghana (Signal Iduna Park, Dortmund)
Brazil

* 01 N Dida
* 02 M Cafu
* 03 F Lucio
* 04 S Juan
* 06 R Carlos
* 05 F Emerson
* 11 J Ze Roberto
* 08 R Kaka
* 10 G Ronaldinho
* 07 L Adriano
* 09 L Ronaldo

Ghana

* 22 R Kingson
* 15 J Pantsil
* 07 I Shilla
* 05 J Mensah
* 06 E Pappoe
* 23 H Draman
* 18 E Addo
* 10 S Appiah
* 11 S Muntari
* 14 M Amoah
* 03 A Gyan

Ref: Lubos Michel

bababui · 06-27-2006, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Sdpm100

Morning/afternoon everyone.

Further to bababui listing some of the more infamous WC finals games, I've decided to have a think and make out my all-time XI of IMO infamous games (sorry if you feel I've upstaged you bababui

)

So here it is, feel free to add to or disagree with my XI (not in any order).

Upstage away.

Great job on the list. Im looking forward to what you come up with next.

Sdpm100 · 06-27-2006, 11:31 AM

The venue is the Signal Iduna Park in Dortmund, or for those sponsorship haters amongst you, the Westfalenstadion.

Eumel · 06-27-2006, 11:31 AM

Not a bad list, but too many 2006 games

I'd add the legendary 1966 Wembley match between Germany and England, where Azerbaijani linesman Tofik Bahramov claimed "the ball had touched the net" when the legendary "Wembley Goal" was given. Even today there is no clear conclusion whether it was a legit goal or not...

Also from 1966, there was what I'd call the biggest World Cup upset of all time, the 1-0 win of a totally unknown North korea squad over Italy. After the tournament, the players disappeared home and were never heard of again.

canadiancreed · 06-27-2006, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Eumel

Not a bad list, but too many 2006 games

I'd add the legendary 1966 Wembley match between Germany and England, where Azerbaijani linesman Tofik Bahramov claimed "the ball had touched the net" when the legendary "Wembley Goal" was given. Even today there is no clear conclusion whether it was a legit goal or not...

Also from 1966, there was what I'd call the biggest World Cup upset of all time, the 1-0 win of a totally unknown North korea squad over Italy. After the tournament, the players disappeared home and were never heard of again.

the north koreans or the italians?

and brazil vs ghana. Wonder if Ghana can bring their game they had against the Czechs? Doubt they'll find as many scoring chances though, the Brazilians aren't as pourous as the Czechs, and not nearly as old

bababui · 06-27-2006, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Sdpm100

The venue is the Signal Iduna Park in Dortmund, or for those sponsorship haters amongst you, the Westfalenstadion.

Om a sponsorship hater but when u go to edit the BD team file in FM it shows a 95 million 20 year bank loan

. So I can understand. Hate it in this country though.

bababui · 06-27-2006, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by canadiancreed

the north koreans or the italians?

and brazil vs ghana. Wonder if Ghana can bring their game they had against the Czechs? Doubt they'll find as many scoring chances though, the Brazilians aren't as pourous as the Czechs, and not nearly as old

RMY has Ghana beating Brazil. This should be a great match if Brazil dont get out to an early lead.

06-27-2006, 01:05 AM	#11065
Chisanga Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 2,404	Apparently Socceroo's getting their lawyers to look at the penalty footage!? To what end I don't know __________________ "The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing."

06-27-2006, 11:09 AM	#11072
Sdpm100 Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Cheltenham, England Posts: 7,644	Morning/afternoon everyone. Further to bababui listing some of the more infamous WC finals games, I've decided to have a think and make out my all-time XI of IMO infamous games (sorry if you feel I've upstaged you bababui ) So here it is, feel free to add to or disagree with my XI (not in any order). Last edited by Sdpm100; 06-27-2006 at 11:12 AM.

06-27-2006, 11:11 AM	#11073
Sdpm100 Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Cheltenham, England Posts: 7,644	1 – Chile 1962 (Chile 2-0 Italy), the “Battle of Santiago” The original, and worst ever example of bad sportsmanship between two teams occurred in the hosts second group game against Italy. Italian journalists had started it all by making derogatory comments about their hosts, and within the first 12 seconds the first foul was committed. English ref Ken Aston, who was too weak to control the game, ordered off two Italians, and police had to come on to the field on a number of occasions. The fighting didn’t even finish after the final whistle – as Chile won 2-0, and Italy went back home after being eliminated at the group stage. 2 – Germany 2006 (Portugal 1-0 Netherlands), the “Battle of Nuremberg” The new version of the Battle of Santiago. Two teams blood thirsty after a fiery Euro 2004 semifinal, which Portugal also won, see to it that referee Valentin Ivanov awards four red cards, a record at a World Cup finals match. Luis Figo also should have been dismissed for a head butt that Mr. Ivanov only awarded a yellow card for. 3 – Germany 2006 (Australia 2-2 Croatia) Graham Poll fails to pass the simplest refereeing job of all. After awarding two yellow cards to Croatian Josip Simunic, he fails to send the defender off. He finally does so after Simunic argues with him at the final whistle – making it three yellow cards to a single player, a first at a World Cup finals game. 4 – Germany 2006 (Italy 1-1 USA), the “Battle of Kaiserslautern” I hope your beginning to realise there is a pattern here. The third and last entrant from the 2006 tournament was the Group E match between Italy and the USA, a game in one of the two “Group of Death”. Daniele De Rossi chose to take that phrase literally, nearly decapitating Brian McBride with a deliberate elbow to the face. The USA then have two players sent off of their own (at this point, only the fourth time a World Cup finals game has seen three players sent off), and referee Jorge Larrionda then does a complete role reversal after the third red card to Eddie Pope, and from being strict he becomes very lenient, as a number of other infringements could well have led to further dismissals. Larrionda however does referee two other group games (Portugal/Angola and France/Togo) very well. 5 – Spain 1982 Semi-Final (West Germany 3-3 France, West Germany win on penalties) The semi-final at Spain ’82 saw Harald Schumacher commit, and get away with, assault on Patrick Battiston. The German goalkeeper made no attempt to play the ball, instead deliberately clattering into the Frenchman, knocking him unconscious, yet Dutch referee Charles Corver amazingly awarded nothing other than a goal kick. 6 – Spain 1982 (West Germany 1-0 Austria) Earlier in the tournament, the Germans had been involved in another controversial game. At this World Cup, the final two group games weren’t played at the same time as they are now. West Germany had surprisingly lost to Algeria in their opening game, but coming into their final game with Austria, after the Africans had beaten Chile earlier in the day, both teams knew a 1-0 win for Germany would send both teams through to the second group stage. Horst Hrubesch scored after 10 minutes, and after that both teams just passed the ball between themselves and back to the goalkeeper (back passes were allowed then), and surprise, surprise it finished 1-0. The crowd booed, FIFA did nothing (sound familiar?). 7 – Mexico 1986 Quarter-Final (Argentina 2-1 England) Diego Maradona. “Hand of God”. That is all you need to know why this makes my list. Then later, Maradona shows why he is one of the greatest, by dribbling from the half-way line and seemingly beating 15 English players before slotting past Peter Shilton for what proved the winner. 8 – France 1998 Final (France 3-0 Brazil) What exactly went on with Ronaldo before the final? 9 – USA 1994 (USA 2-1 Colombia) One of the darkest days, as after the tournament Colombian defender Andres Escobar is shot dead in Medellin after conceding an own goal in Colombia’s loss to the hosts, a result that eventually eliminated the South Americans at the group stage. 10 – Argentina 1978 (Brazil 1-1 Sweden) A less well known one. Controversial Welsh referee Clive Thomas disallows Zico’s stunning strike from a corner kick, for what he to this day says “time was up, adding any more time would be cheating”. Everyone else disagreed. It’s lucky he wasn’t reffing yesterday’s game, as Italy wouldn’t have been allowed to take the penalty. 11 – England 1966 Final (England 4-2 West Germany, after extra time) The only time the birthplace of football has won the World Cup, and it may well have come down to a linesman’s decision. Azerbaijani (then Soviet) Tofik Bakhramov said Geoff Hurst’s strike had come off the crossbar and gone over the line, and that led to the now famous “they think it’s all over… it is now!” commentary from Kenneth Wolstenholme as Hurst became the first and only player to score a hattrick in a World Cup final. 12 (Sub) – Brazil 1950 (USA 1-0 England) More famous than infamous, but it shocked the world of football all the same. The English didn’t even compete at the three pre-war tournaments, and only made their debut in Brazil. Facing the amateur players of the USA in Belo Horizonte, Joe Gaetjens scored the only goal of the game, as the USA produced in my opinion, the biggest shock in international football history. Last edited by Sdpm100; 06-27-2006 at 12:05 PM.

06-27-2006, 12:50 AM	#11061
LFC1892 All Star Reserve Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Global Posts: 963	I apologise for the expletives there....its not everyday you see your team that was expected to be cannon fodder, go out of the tourney in that fashion. Yes, we should have done better, and I have said for a long time that we need a clinical finisher....we just havent got that yet...but I'm still proud of the way we handled ourselves throughout the tournament. Good luck to those with teams left to root for, and I'm sure we will be better for the experience in future years. Now I wonder who'll be lining up to take over when Guus jets off to Russia? Several big names have been mentioned, but god knows who the FFA will appoint. I think we should wait until the WC fever had died down, before naming someone and placing them under immediate pressure with our decent performance still fresh in the publics mind. Disappointed, but still damn proud to be an Aussie.

06-27-2006, 12:57 AM	#11063
LFC1892 All Star Reserve Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Global Posts: 963	Hey Chisanga, whats this I hear about Reuben Thorne coming back to Black? He's been out of favor for a while now hasnt he?

06-27-2006, 11:27 AM	#11074
Sdpm100 Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Cheltenham, England Posts: 7,644	Game 55: Round of 16, Brazil vs. Ghana (Signal Iduna Park, Dortmund) Brazil * 01 N Dida * 02 M Cafu * 03 F Lucio * 04 S Juan * 06 R Carlos * 05 F Emerson * 11 J Ze Roberto * 08 R Kaka * 10 G Ronaldinho * 07 L Adriano * 09 L Ronaldo Ghana * 22 R Kingson * 15 J Pantsil * 07 I Shilla * 05 J Mensah * 06 E Pappoe * 23 H Draman * 18 E Addo * 10 S Appiah * 11 S Muntari * 14 M Amoah * 03 A Gyan Ref: Lubos Michel

06-27-2006, 11:31 AM	#11076
Sdpm100 Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Cheltenham, England Posts: 7,644	The venue is the Signal Iduna Park in Dortmund, or for those sponsorship haters amongst you, the Westfalenstadion.

06-27-2006, 11:31 AM	#11077
Eumel Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 499	Not a bad list, but too many 2006 games I'd add the legendary 1966 Wembley match between Germany and England, where Azerbaijani linesman Tofik Bahramov claimed "the ball had touched the net" when the legendary "Wembley Goal" was given. Even today there is no clear conclusion whether it was a legit goal or not... Also from 1966, there was what I'd call the biggest World Cup upset of all time, the 1-0 win of a totally unknown North korea squad over Italy. After the tournament, the players disappeared home and were never heard of again.