New Non-HW Boxers Rated

[swampdragon]

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

AL DIAMOND MW (1930-1938)

Hometown - Newark, New Jersey, USA

12(3)-25-1; 1 NC

Although he lacked power, Al Diamond had a good chin and boxing skills. He began his career 11(3)-4-0, mostly against less than stellar competition. However, a ten round decision over Ben Jeby catapulted him to an NBA and NYSAC Wold Middleweight Title bout with Vince Dundee in 1934. The two met in Diamond's home state of New Jersey and fought a full fifteen rounds with Dundee taking the decision. I am sure that most assumed that more would be heard from Diamond, but what followed was an epic losing streak that would see Diamond descend into ranks of the professional opponents. Over the four years that followed the world title fight, Al lost decision after decision en route to a 1-21-1 finish to what had been a promising career.

Diamond lost decisions to Paul Pirrone, Ken Overlin, Tait Littman, Young Stuhley, Frank Battaglia, Marcel Thil, Manuel Abrew, Eddie Pierce, Solly Krieger and Popeye Woods among others. With the exception of Krieger and Woods at the very end, Diamond pushed every one of these good to great fighters to the final bell but simply could not extract another victory to rival the win over Jeby.

Thanks for the story as well as the rating.

[Tiger Fan]

Here are 5 more from the late 1940's. Includes some HW's but since I am not sure anyone other than myself would have much interest in them figure I will just make one post for them all rather than a couple here and a couple in the HW thread.

Angelo Ambrosano - Philadelphia Featherweight began career 12-1-1 against mostly unknowns before losing by second round KO against Sandy Saddler. He would lose his next 3 fights to Jock Leslie, Percy Basett and Billy Banks before retiring.

Tony Bosnich - San Francisco HW fought exclusively on the west coast. Lost to Turkey Thompson, Joey Maxim and Pat Valentine among others.

Leon Hutson - Cambridge Mass. featherweight lost twice to Fernando Gagnon.

Bob Johnson - Kansas heavyweight KO'd twice by Pat McCafferty

Al Spaulding - Baltimore HW had plenty of fights ending in KO's but more often than not they were picking Al up off the canvas. Late in his career lost to Archie Moore.

[CONN CHRIS]

Originally Posted by Tigerfan

since I am not sure anyone other than myself would have much interest in them

I am always interested, and thankful for the efforts.

[CONN CHRIS]

Originally Posted by swampdragon

Thanks for the story as well as the rating.

Thanks, there may be an interesting story behind Diamond, but I couldn't find much. I would imagine that as he got into the teeth of that losing streak, it may have become difficult for him to schedule opponents which may be why he faced several heavies and light-heavies (although that was not uncommon at the time from MW to HW). When you think about it, he was not someone that a fighter would want to schedule. Once the losses piled up, as a contender or near contender, you absolutely were expected to beat this guy so the win did little for your standing. But, Diamond had beaten Jeby, fought for World Title and until the Krieger fight, had never been stopped. He certainly couldn't be called a trial horse, you would never want a promising youngster facing him (at least if I was the manager).

You have to wonder about the management or advice that he was getting. Once he had dropped a few decisions to good fighters after the Title fight loss, I would have expected that a few real stiffs would have been lined up to build his confidence back up because he was clearly a decent boxer with potential. But that never happened, he just kept tilting at windmills and comming up short.

[CONN CHRIS]

JOSE CARDENAS FW (1947-1950)

Born - Vera Cruz, Mexico
Hometown - Tlalpam, Mexico

13(2)-16-3

Cardenas was a Mexican journeyman that fought predominantly in the U.S. His best stretch was March to September of 1948 when beat Jimmy Cooper in Washington, D.C. then headed to Mexico City where he won four straight bouts including a ten round decision over Luis Castillo.

[CONN CHRIS]

JOSE CARDENAS FW (1947-1950)

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Michel Vinot - France
Middleweight 1958-62 Rating 5
Light Heavyweight 1962-65 Rating 2

37 wins / 8 losses / 3 draws / 22 KO

Birthplace: Velminfroy, France

Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto

Compiled a 36-4-2 record up through May 1964 when he fought and defeated Paul Roux for the French Light Heavyweight Title in a 12 round decision. Of course many of those early wins were against the local club fighters.He did fight Roux one time earlier for the French LHW Title, in May 1962. From the start of his career up till that first LHW title fight with Roux, Vinot fought mainly middleweights and was most likely thus considered a middleweight. During that time he was 28-3-1,16KO. Most of that was against foregetable opponents. He lost to Andre Drille(50-8-8), Richard Bouchez(26-16-2), and Jean Ruellet(55-69-19). He did beat Marcel Tirel(31-16-5).Those were the only noteworthy record opponents.

Vinot then moved up to LHW to fight Roux in May 1962. In that fight they fought to a 15 round draw. He defeated Yvan Prebeg knocking him out in the 1st round a few months after that 15 round bout with Roux. In October 1963 Vinot lost by 9th round KO to Pekka Kokkonen. That loss to Kokkonen accured in Helsinki, Finland, the first time Vinot fought outside France.

After he won the French LHW Title in May 1964, Vinot then fought a 10 round draw with Rudolf Nehring. Then over the next 7 month, Vinot lost 4 straight fights, the first three decision losses to Guy Mastil, Gert Van Heerden(46-6-0), fought in South Africa, and then he lost his French LHW Title back to Paul Roux in March 1965 in a 12 round decision. On May 1st, 1965, Yvan Prebeg KO'd Vinot in the 6th round in Cologne, Germany to end Vinot's career. He finished his career fighting as a Light Heavy with a 9-5-2,6KO.

The two files attached, one for MW, one for LHW

[jeffbakker]

Ernie Petrone 1941-1947 32(8)-44-7

This is my first attempt at rating a fighter.
Let me know what you think.
jb

[LeeSkye]

jeffbakker

Good start....take a look at page 44 of the TBCB manual and it shows the 3 point punch totals you should have for each point of HP.

For HP-3 you should have from 6-9 in the 3 point punch column. Example: if you think he has a great hook then your 2 pt punch column could be 14.00
and the 3 point column 6.00.

Once you change this run some test bouts to see how it changes your fighters abilities and tweak where necessary. Take alook at some fighters you know that are already rated and note how their punches are distributed to get a feel for it.

This is the one area I always seem to forget about whern doing a fighter.

[jeffbakker]

LeeSkye ---

I did forget about that.
Thanks for the feedback and the encouragement.
jb

[CONN CHRIS]

Note - Could someone post the file for Young Nationalista, I deleated mine by accident and can't seem to locate it in the threads. Thanks


HUERTA EVANS BW (1927-1936)

Hometown - Los Angeles, California, USA

23(1)-21-6

Evans was a highly touted amature out of the Los Angeles Athletic Club. Although he had some nice wins, his career didn't rank much higher than journeyman status. Evans fought Chalky Wright five times, winning one and fighting to one draw. He scored decision victories over Joe Murphy, Benny Gallup, Joe Calder and Young Nationalista and was beaten by Fidel LaBarba, Frankie Klick, Cecil Payne and Young Tommy. Evans was stopped twice in 50 pro bouts, both at the hands of Chalky Wright.

[CONN CHRIS]

HUERTA EVANS BW (1927-1936)

[David Myers]

Real name: Frederico Buenaflor
Birthplace: Iloilo, Philippines
Born 1905. Fought from 1922 to 1932.
Trainer: Charley Yost
Manager: Mike (Dutch) Schwemier
Record: 54-44-26 (27)

[LeeSkye]

Roland Todd MW

[jofre]

Originally Posted by David Myers

Philadelphia welterweight. Born 1937. Fought from 1959 to 1964. Record: 16-2-0 (10).

There must be a story here. Turner beat Al Styles, Luis Federico Thompson, Percy Manning, and Isaac Logart. Then he lost back-to-back matches to Jose Stable and Stanley Hayward, and apparently retired. Neither loss was a knockout. Was he hurt in the Hayward bout? Did he simply decide that he wasn't going to the top, and so decided to hang them up?

At all events, I have rated Turner 8.

Turner is the uncle of middleweight Frank (The Animal) Fletcher and lightweight Anthony (Two Guns) Fletcher.

Classy 1960's welter faced all of the other best young talent at 147. Career highlights included upset of Federico Thompson & 3-round KO of Percy Manning.

Promising run was cut short by a detached retina suffered in bout vs. Kitten Hayward