New Non-HW Boxers Rated - Page 52

CONN CHRIS · 02-12-2005, 11:15 AM

HUMBERTO ZAVALA LW

Hometown - Mexico City, Mexico

7(2)-22-2

Zavala was a standard issue professional opponent; good stamina, decent chin, light hitting, few skills. He beat Monty Pignatore and Cleo Shans on points. The folks that tuned up on Zavala include Roy Andrews, Harold Jones, Beau Jack, Charley Fusari, Paddy DeMarco, Danny Bartfield, Maxie Shapiro, Phil Terranova, George LaRover, Sandy Saddler, Julie Kogan, Jimmy Warren, Tony Janiro and Chalky Wright.

CONN CHRIS · 02-12-2005, 11:16 AM

Humberto Zavala - Mexican LW 1944-1953

LeeSkye · 02-13-2005, 01:20 PM

Jimmy Sakamoto cleaned up a little

LeeSkye · 02-13-2005, 01:23 PM

And Mr Ptak

CONN CHRIS · 02-13-2005, 01:42 PM

Nice job on Sakamoto, that is a stunning improvement - Thanks!

Tiger Fan · 02-13-2005, 02:05 PM

3 fighters that I added for my allsports replay. Each was added to fight a bout that really occurred on the date I presently am at (mid Sep 1947.)

George LaRover - Philadelphia LW who I am surprised is not already rated by someone. He fought a lot of guys who are already in the game including some big names of the era like Sugar Ray Robinson and Bob Montgomery. I found him tough to rate because although he is listed as a LW most of the fighters in the game that he did meet were either WW or MW. Anyway my attempt at rating him is below.

On Sep 15 1947 he lost a 10 round decision to Phil Burton at Holyoke, Mass. In my replay bout it was a unanimous decision in 10 for Burton.

Next is Bill Burns, an Australian WW who met George Sands on Sep 13, 1947. Burns was 1-4 in his career including a pair of KO losses to Sands. On this date Sands prevailed with a 9th round KO. In my replay Sands ended it in the first round with a TKO victory.

Finally Cuban featherweight Oswaldo 'Battling' Soccarras who was 2-7-3 in his career. Soccarras had a loss and a draw with Orlando Zulueta and was 2-2 vs Ciro Morasen including a 10 round loss on points Sept 13, 1947.
In my replay Morasen won a majority decision.

David Myers · 02-13-2005, 03:41 PM

California middleweight. Fought from 1947 to 1950. Record: 39-5-2 (29).

SAL · 02-13-2005, 04:44 PM

not very good but a photo for JT Ross

David Myers · 02-13-2005, 10:18 PM

Many thanks for the photo, Sal!

David Myers · 02-13-2005, 10:22 PM

Philadelphia welterweight. Born 1937. Fought from 1959 to 1964. Record: 16-2-0 (10).

There must be a story here. Turner beat Al Styles, Luis Federico Thompson, Percy Manning, and Isaac Logart. Then he lost back-to-back matches to Jose Stable and Stanley Hayward, and apparently retired. Neither loss was a knockout. Was he hurt in the Hayward bout? Did he simply decide that he wasn't going to the top, and so decided to hang them up?

At all events, I have rated Turner 8.

Turner is the uncle of middleweight Frank (The Animal) Fletcher and lightweight Anthony (Two Guns) Fletcher.

CONN CHRIS · 02-13-2005, 11:35 PM

JIMMY "Spider" KELLY LW

Hometown - San Francisco, California, USA

4(2)-7-0

Kelly fought from 1895 to 1901 assembling a record of 2-6-0. He knocked out Sam Bolen in six rounds, lost two bouts to Joe Gans and one to Jack Everhardt. After a seven year lay off, Kelly returned to the ring in 1908 to knockout Jack Smith in two. He won on a DQ over whipping boy Joe Grim and dropped a two round stoppage loss to the aptly named Two-Round Thompson. In all, Kelly was stopped 5 times in just 11 pro bouts.

CONN CHRIS · 02-13-2005, 11:36 PM

Spider Kelly - LW 1895-1911

SAL · 02-13-2005, 11:56 PM

Photo for Dick Turner

hagler99 · 02-14-2005, 02:18 AM

A current welterweight from Uzbekistan.

David Myers · 02-14-2005, 07:55 AM

You're the man, Sal! Maybe I should just ask you if you've got a picture before I post the ratings for a pug.

02-12-2005, 11:16 AM	#767
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LeeSkye All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Igloo Posts: 1,279	And Mr Ptak Attached Images __________________ What If Championship Boxing

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02-13-2005, 02:05 PM	#771
Tiger Fan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 9,873	3 fighters that I added for my allsports replay. Each was added to fight a bout that really occurred on the date I presently am at (mid Sep 1947.) George LaRover - Philadelphia LW who I am surprised is not already rated by someone. He fought a lot of guys who are already in the game including some big names of the era like Sugar Ray Robinson and Bob Montgomery. I found him tough to rate because although he is listed as a LW most of the fighters in the game that he did meet were either WW or MW. Anyway my attempt at rating him is below. On Sep 15 1947 he lost a 10 round decision to Phil Burton at Holyoke, Mass. In my replay bout it was a unanimous decision in 10 for Burton. Next is Bill Burns, an Australian WW who met George Sands on Sep 13, 1947. Burns was 1-4 in his career including a pair of KO losses to Sands. On this date Sands prevailed with a 9th round KO. In my replay Sands ended it in the first round with a TKO victory. Finally Cuban featherweight Oswaldo 'Battling' Soccarras who was 2-7-3 in his career. Soccarras had a loss and a draw with Orlando Zulueta and was 2-2 vs Ciro Morasen including a 10 round loss on points Sept 13, 1947. In my replay Morasen won a majority decision. __________________ Cliff Markle HOB1 greatest pitcher 360-160, 9 Welch Awards, 11 WS titles Last edited by Tiger Fan; 04-18-2007 at 12:40 AM.

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SAL Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Joplin MO Posts: 5,732	not very good but a photo for JT Ross Attached Images

02-13-2005, 10:18 PM	#774
David Myers All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Houston Posts: 693	Many thanks for the photo, Sal! __________________ David Myers Houston, Texas

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CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 29,083	Spider Kelly - LW 1895-1911 Attached Images __________________ Check Out My Cards!

02-13-2005, 11:56 PM	#778
SAL Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Joplin MO Posts: 5,732	Photo for Dick Turner Attached Images

02-14-2005, 07:55 AM	#780
David Myers All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Houston Posts: 693	Turner's mug You're the man, Sal! Maybe I should just ask you if you've got a picture before I post the ratings for a pug. __________________ David Myers Houston, Texas