Good news: minimal threats to OOTP6 from new baseball games - Page 5

darkhorse · 02-28-2005, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Malleus Dei

DH, can we please leave the political infighting to Off Topic?

If I see any, I'll give the warning, as well.

Edit: removed stutter.

BaseballMan · 02-28-2005, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by TonyJ

I don't think anyone is denying that OOTP would get better without competition. I think they are saying that it will not improve as much without competition as it would with it. Which is pretty hard to argue with since it is true of any part of a capitalist economy. In fact, it is the entire underpinning of the system.

I agree but like i said before i dont think Markus goes by what the competition does as much as he takes the feedback from us.
Of course if we play some other game and mention the feature the competition has helped but i dont think Markus or Shaun put in something just because the other one has it.
But you are right in that they may take something from another game and put it in if it works and the customers want it.
I dont think theres anything bad about freindly competition but i also think that we as ootp customers give Markus enough ideas for Markus to work on every year as i am sure Shaun's cusotmers do too.
I think that is where a game can improve the most by its realtionship with its customers.
If you dont listen to the customers then sooner or later the game wont be around.
Unless of course you are EA and can put out a crappy product with or without competition.

darkhorse · 02-28-2005, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BaseballMan

I agree but like i said before i dont think Markus goes by what the competition does as much as he takes the feedback from us.

Markus has definitely stolen ideas from Championship Manager in the past.

It was quite strange when the company, SI Games, that distributed the only game I played for 4 years, brought under its wing the game I replaced it with on my hard drive these past three years.

And it now seems OOTP will take a giant leap further into resembling/emulating Championship Manager, now Football Manager.

Cuss · 02-28-2005, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by darkhorse

Markus has definitely stolen ideas from Championship Manager in the past.

It was quite strange when the company, SI Games, that distributed the only game I played for 4 years, brought under its wing the game I replaced it with on my hard drive these past three years.

And it now seems OOTP will take a giant leap further into resembling/emulating Championship Manager, now Football Manager.

just sounds like smart marketing strategy in my opinion.

BaseballMan · 02-28-2005, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by darkhorse

Markus has definitely stolen ideas from Championship Manager in the past.

It was quite strange when the company, SI Games, that distributed the only game I played for 4 years, brought under its wing the game I replaced it with on my hard drive these past three years.

And it now seems OOTP will take a giant leap further into resembling/emulating Championship Manager, now Football Manager.

Well yeah i am sure he is influenced by other games as they are by ootp
but i still beleive he gets most of his ideas from us or at least i hope he does.

crazyhorsejohnny · 02-28-2005, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Malleus Dei

DH, can we please leave the political infighting to Off Topic?

clutch.

crazyhorsejohnny · 02-28-2005, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by darkhorse

Markus has definitely stolen ideas from Championship Manager in the past.

I guess Markus has stolen from Major League Baseball as well.

D Love · 02-28-2005, 09:48 AM

How is it good news? Well, I think unless you think a post saying, "OOTP is not the best baseball sim out there" would be good news, this post should be considered good news.

ctorg · 02-28-2005, 10:31 AM

Keep up the good work, Markus!

spleen1015 · 02-28-2005, 10:52 AM

Hey, MD. I just want to ask a question. You have said in this thread that back in the OOTP1 days, it was the only career sim for baseball. Wasn't Baseball Mogul out if not before, around that same time? I bought my first version of BM in 1998 I believe.

silvam14 · 02-28-2005, 12:03 PM

It amazes me how more often than not, Malleus' posts are usually very good attempts at being informative like this one, yet somehow it always tends to go awry by people who seemingly have it in for him. I don't get it.

TonyJ · 02-28-2005, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by silvam14

It amazes me how more often than not, Malleus' posts are usually very good attempts at being informative like this one, yet somehow it always tends to go awry by people who seemingly have it in for him. I don't get it.

Other than <0>, no one took personal issue with MD, they took issue with the thrust of his "information". Is that not allowed?

Malleus Dei · 02-28-2005, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

Hey, MD. I just want to ask a question. You have said in this thread that back in the OOTP1 days, it was the only career sim for baseball. Wasn't Baseball Mogul out if not before, around that same time? I bought my first version of BM in 1998 I believe.

No, what I wrote was "OOTP was the only career-oriented manager-based text PC baseball game extant." Baseball Mogul was a GM-only-based game at the time (I'm an original BM customer myself).

Malleus Dei · 02-28-2005, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by silvam14

It amazes me how more often than not, Malleus' posts are usually very good attempts at being informative like this one, yet somehow it always tends to go awry by people who seemingly have it in for him. I don't get it.

You answered your own question: "it always tends to go awry by people who seemingly have it in for him," if you delete "seemingly."

Malleus Dei · 02-28-2005, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TonyJ

Other than <0>, no one took personal issue with MD

Have we been in the same thread? Go back to the beginning and re-examine it, starting with DD's sniping.

TonyJ · 02-28-2005, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Malleus Dei

Have we been in the same thread? Go back to the beginning and re-examine it, starting with DD's sniping.

DD wasn't going after you personally, he was going after your content. Like I said.

Malleus Dei · 02-28-2005, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by silvam14

It amazes me how more often than not, Malleus' posts are usually very good attempts at being informative like this one, yet somehow it always tends to go awry by people who seemingly have it in for him.

If you pay attention, it turns out that those few people are consistently the same people - or their aliases.

Read the threads in which this happens. I'm here to discuss computer baseball and related issues. Other people, bearing old grudges, just want to attack/fight/harass. I follow the board rules. They don't. If you read the other comments in this thread from Carlton, Eugene Church, and such, it's pretty clear that the real baseball crowd here - as opposed to the OT crowd - is starting to figure this out themselves.

Malleus Dei · 02-28-2005, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TonyJ

DD wasn't going after you personally, he was going after your content. Like I said.

False. Either you missed his comment "of course, if Mal would just use the search feature, he'd find that this was pretty much just covered." or you have chosen to be blind to it.

That's a cheap shot designed to provoke a reaction and a fight. It had nothing at all to do with content; it was all about old grudges.

TonyJ · 02-28-2005, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Malleus Dei

False. Either you missed his comment "of course, if Mal would just use the search feature, he'd find that this was pretty much just covered." or you have chosen to be blind to it.

That's a cheap shot designed to provoke a reaction and a fight. It had nothing at all to do with content; it was all about old grudges.

It was one line in a post responding to your original post. It was also a joke. If I say that you should maybe have not taken it so seriously and gotten defensive would I be personally attacking you? You seem to make it a point that people are following you around and harassing you and indeed since I have been here you have been involved in countless scraps. It's not unreasonable even to say that most every thread you are involved in turns in to being a thread about you, including this one. Do you think that you bear any responsibility for that?

Anyway, I'm out. The original point of the thread has been lost and now it's just MD vs. all comers. Been there, done that.

rem · 02-28-2005, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Malleus Dei

Have we been in the same thread? Go back to the beginning and re-examine it, starting with DD's sniping.

Well, I was actually mocking you with the first reply. DD disagreed with you which doesn't constitute a personal attack.

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02-28-2005, 09:48 AM	#88
D Love All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 904	How is it good news? Well, I think unless you think a post saying, "OOTP is not the best baseball sim out there" would be good news, this post should be considered good news.

02-28-2005, 10:52 AM	#90
spleen1015 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,011	Hey, MD. I just want to ask a question. You have said in this thread that back in the OOTP1 days, it was the only career sim for baseball. Wasn't Baseball Mogul out if not before, around that same time? I bought my first version of BM in 1998 I believe.

02-28-2005, 12:03 PM	#91
silvam14 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Dedham, MA Posts: 10,216	It amazes me how more often than not, Malleus' posts are usually very good attempts at being informative like this one, yet somehow it always tends to go awry by people who seemingly have it in for him. I don't get it.