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12-24-2001, 01:11 PM
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Hall Of Famer
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[quote]Originally posted by JimServo:
The $100,000 Infield: Stuffy McInnis, Eddie Collins, Frank Baker, and Jack Barry. Because there was a draft in the HOB prior to 1912, the four members of the $100,000 Infield never got to play together. As it turned out only Collins and Baker had successful HOB careers. Barry lasted a few seasons as a regular while McIniss had just a cup of coffee in the bigs. Jack Barry A second baseman in the HOB but a shortstop in the $100,000 infield, Barry was 5th rd pick of 1908 Highlanders. He was the Highlanders starting second baseman for 5 seasons and also played regularly for a year and a half after a trade to Pittsburgh. Barry won a World Series ring with the 1912 Highlanders.
Eddie Collins The HOB Hall of Fame shortstop was a driving force behind the Reds teams of the late teens. Collins spent 20 years in a Cincinnati uniform and made 10 allstar teams. A winner of 6 pennants and 2 World Series rings with the Reds, Collins was named National League MVP in 1912 and 1919. As of 1979 he still holds team records for highest single season batting average (.398 in 1926), most hits (230 in 1926) and triples (22 in 1919). Collins won 6 batting titles in his career. In real life he played most of his career at second base but I was using the original Lahman database in this era so he imported as a shortstop. Btw, in real life his son Eddie Trowbridge Collins Jr played 132 games over 3 seasons with the A's between 1939 and 1942. In the HOB, Eddie Jr. was in the A's system but never made the bigs.
Stuffy McIness Philly A's 4th round pick in 1909 never got a chance in the HOB.
Frank 'Homerun' Baker Began his career with Cleveland in 1908 before moving to the White Sox in 1913 where he played 14 seasons. A 5 time allstar, Baker led the American League in batting in 1916. He never played a postseason game. The third baseman did make it to the HOB Hall of Fame though. In real life Baker earned his memorable nickname in the 1911 World Series, when he hit game-winning home runs on successive days against the Giants' future Hall of Fame pitchers Rube Marquard and Christy Mathewson.
BTW, there were two other Frank Bakers in the HOB and real baseball. Frank Watts Baker played in the Yankee system in the early 70's but never made the majors. Another player, known only as Frank Baker played 125 games over 2 seasons with Cleveland in real life. In the HOB he batted .278 in 24 games. I am not sure if either were related to Homerun Baker.
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12-24-2001, 01:49 PM
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Thanks, how about Pep Clark. In my league, he the equivalant of "Home Run Baker." He managed to hit 4 Home Runs in the 1912-1914 World Series, in which my White Sox won 3 straight 7 game series, in those regular seasons he hit a combined 3 home runs.
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12-24-2001, 05:44 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by JimServo:
Thanks, how about Pep Clark. In my league, he the equivalant of "Home Run Baker." He managed to hit 4 Home Runs in the 1912-1914 World Series, in which my White Sox won 3 straight 7 game series, in those regular seasons he hit a combined 3 home runs. Isn't it great the way little known players or average talents in the league can become a star for just one series. I had a similliar thing happen most recently with Fran Mullins for the Chisox in the 1980 ALCS. Pep Clark Thirdbaseman Pep Clark began his career with the Browns in 1903 after they drafted him in the second round that year. He didn't get a chance to play regularly until 1907 when he had the highest batting average of his career. In 1908 he moved to Cleveland as a free agent but his stay there was short as he was moved back to St Louis to join the Cardinals this time. In 1910 he topped the National League in both homers and rbi's, which earned him a lucrative free agent contract from Detroit. He lasted less than 3 months in Tiger Town before being dealt to Brooklyn where he finished his career with the Dodgers. In real life Clark played just a handful of games for the 1903 White Sox.
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12-27-2001, 10:17 AM
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How about Smokin' Joe Wood, Chief Bender, the Dean brothers and Leo Durocher?
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12-27-2001, 12:22 PM
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Tiger Fan..each bio is a great read. I was interested in seeing how Stu Miller, Bo Belinski, and Jimmy Piersall fared.
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12-27-2001, 04:34 PM
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Minors (Single A)
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How about Joe Cowley,Rick Cerone,Billy Martin and Mickey Rivers?
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12-27-2001, 07:57 PM
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Todays requests:
Smokey Joe Wood Wood never appeared in a major league game. He imported as a middle reliever using the original Lahman database (this was before IatricSB had released his modified db). Paul Dean Teamed with his brother Dizzy to help the Cardinals to the 1938 World Championship. Dean was 19-6 in 1938 but found himself out of the rotation the next season when St Louis added Van Mungo in a trade. An elbow injury in 1940 bothered him for several years. It wasnt until 1945 that he worked his way back into the Cardinals rotation. He made 3 allstar teams in his career and was named National League rookie of the year in 1934. In real life, an arm injury ruined his career after two straight 19 win seasons to start it.
Dizzy Dean Dizzy played a big part in 3 World Series wins and 4 pennants for the Cardinals. He made 3 allstar teams in his career but never won a major individual award. He came extremely close to winning a Welch Award in 1938 when he won a career high 24 games and again in 1939 when he narrowly lost the Welch Award to teammate Fred Frankhouse. Dean was inducted into the HOB Hall of Fame shortly after his retirement. Without WWII to interrupt, Dean pitched much longer than he did in real life.
Leo Durocher Durocher never made it to the major leagues as he was stuck in the Yankees talent rich minor league system of the late twenties and early thirties. Chief Bender Like in real life, Bender enjoyed a Hall of Fame career in the HOB. He was named National League rookie of the year in 1903 after being drafted by the Cardinals (Ammy draft was used until 1912 in HOB and free agency until midteens). Bender would also win back to back Welch Awards in 1917 & 1918 when he helped the Reds to 6 pennants in 8 years. In all he was on 3 World Series winners and 7 pennant winning clubs. He left the Cardinals for the Athletics via free agency in 1908 and signed as a free agent with Cincinnati 2 years later. It was with those great Cincinnati teams that Bender established his reputation. The Reds were recently named one of the top dynasties in the History of Baseball Replay. Here is how that club was described: TOP DYNASTY NUMBER 10 - 1917-20 CINCINNATI REDS Although a case could be made for the Philadelphia Phillies from 1902-05 (2 World Series, 3 pennants) the Reds have to be considered the first dynasty in the history of the league. The Reds won 4 straight pennants (and 6 in 8 years) and 2 World Series titles. They also had 3 different pitchers win a Welch Award during that time and 3 different players named the league's MVP. The Key contributers were pitchers Chief Bender (78-27 in the 4 years) and Chief Johnson (87-39). The 2 each won a pair of Welch Awards. Offensively they had 4 time batting champion Eddie Collins, Vic Saier and Ken Williams, who each won an MVP award. Outfielder Clyde Milan was a 2 time allstar for the Reds. THE BEGINNING After finishing 3rd in 1914, the Reds dynasty took its form in 1915 by winning the National League Pennant and finishing 11 games ahead of runner-up St Louis. Eddie Collins and Tris Speaker finished one-two in batting that season while thirdbaseman Otto Knabe paced the team with 97 rbi's. In real life Otto Knabe played 11 seasons (including 2 in the Federal League. He was a second baseman mainly with the Phillies. In fact, according to the Baseball Online Library only Tony Taylor has played more games at second for the Phils than Knabe did. In the HOB he played 15 full seasons and ended up with 2320 hits. The pitching rotation featured Bender (20-3, 2.90),Chick Robitaille (22-12, 3.29), Alexander (15-11, 2.80) and Slow Joe Doyle (14-12, 2.39). In the 1915 Series the New York Highlanders, led by 23 game winner George McQuillan, were too much for the Redlegs, winning in 6 games. 1916 - THE SETBACK Despite having the best team the Reds somehow finished 2 games behind St Louis. The deficiet could easily be blamed on an injury that cost Alexander a half-dozen starts. Old Pete was practically unhittable (15-5, 1.63). Bender (21-10, 3.08) and Doyle (18-10, 3.44) also had strong seasons while offensively Eddie Collins carried the club, winning his second career batting title. 1917 - THE STREAK BEGINS The Reds breezed to the National League Pennant, finishing 8 games clear of Pittsburgh. Alexander was gone, having signed with the Braves as a free agent. Speaker also left via free agency but a new player emerged to take his place. He was Vic Saier (.317, 14, 103), a first baseman signed from Pittsburgh. Saier and perrenial allstar second baseman Eddie Collins (.315, 4, 57) were the heart and soul of the Reds. Bender (26-7, 3.01) made up for the loss of Alexander, winning the Welch Award in the process. Another Chief, Chief Johnson (16-10, 4.30) had a breakthrough season. In the World Series, the Reds again came up short, losing to Washington in 5 games. 1918 - SUCCESS, FINALLY! Bender (19-8, 2.62) and Saier (.307, 19, 120) were named the Welch Award winner and the MVP respectively. Chief Johnson (21-12, 3.76) and former White Sox hurler Red Nelson (21-9, 3.63) gave Cincinnati a formidable rotation. Eddie Collins (.304, 1, 54) batted over .300 for the 10th straight season (the streak would reach 12). The Reds found the magic in the World Series, sweeping Washington in 4 straight games. 1919 - ANOTHER PENNANT The Reds won a franchise record 96 games and beat Chicago by 5 games for their third straight pennant. The World Series caused dissappointment in Cincinnati for the 3rd time in 4 trips as the Reds lost to a Yankee team featuring a young Cliff Markle (possibly the greatest pitcher in the HOB) in 5 games. Johnson (26-9, 2.09) replaced Bender (19-8, 2.62) as the top pitcher in the league, making it a string of 4 straight Welch Awards for the Reds. Collins (.337, 5, 83) won the second (and last) MVP award of his distinguished career. Saier (.237, 4, 81) had a terrible follow-up to his MVP season but outfielder Clyde Milan (.323, 3, 74) picked up the slack. It was a pretty poor rookie crop but Fritz Vonkolnitz (.232, 9, 62) did enough to win rookie of the year and allow the Reds to sweep the individual awards. 1920 - 4 IN A ROW Another 96 win season and another pennant, this time by 6 games over St Louis. Johnson (24-8, 2.74) was named pitcher of the year for the second straight season and for the third time in a row a different Red won the MVP award. This time it was Ken Willaims (.316, 4, 98). Pitching was the real strength as Bender (21-7, 2.76) also topped the 20 win mark. The Reds would win their second World Series, beating a Detroit team led by Max Carey and ex-Red Tris Speaker in 6 games. 1921 - THE DECLINE The tightest race ever saw St Louis, Pittsburgh and Boston tie for first place with the Cubs just one game back. The Reds got lost in the mix and slipped to 5th, 7 games off the pace. For the first time since 1915 the Reds did not win any individual awards. Injuries cost half of Bender's season but he still finished at 10-4. Johnson slumped to 12-16 on the year and Collins saw his average finish below .300 for the first time since his rookie year. The Reds, an aging team, did manage to sneak past Chicago for the 1922 pennant but once again they lost in the World Series, this time to the Yankees. By 1923 they had dropped to 7th place and they would not win another pennant until 1930. 6 Pennants in 8 years for the Reds is quite a feat, but it was tarnished by 4 World Series losses. Had the Reds reversed their postseason record they may have slipped into the top 5. Instead they go down in the HOB as the 10th best dynasty and the second best from a Cincinnati team.
Bo Belinsky A real colourful character in real life, better known for dating movie stars than for pitching, Belinsky recently passed away. In the HOB, he had the misfortune of pitching for some very bad teams. He was in the Angels rotation for the second and third year of their existance and then after some time in the minors he resurfaced with the expansion Seattle Pilots in 1969. Those early days in Seattle and later Milwaukee were among the worst teams ever assembled.
Jimmy Piersall The subject of the movie 'Fear Strikes Out' never got much of a chance to play regularly in the HOB. In Boston he was stuck behind Wally Post on the centerfield depth chart so the Red Sox dealt him to Pittsburgh in 1961 for reliever Jim Umbricht. With Al Kaline in centerfield for the Bucs, Piersall saw little action in Pittsburgh either. Piersall did win a World Series ring with Boston in 1954. He grounded out in his only at bat of the series.
Stu Miller Talk about a way to go out. Miller won the Welch Award and helped the Cardinals to the 1964 World Series. He won a career high 21 games that season but never pitched in the majors again. On September 23, 1964 Miller ruptured his bicep tendon on his throwing arm. The injury, while not thought to be career threatening, would force him to miss the World Series. Everyone in the Cardinals organization figured he would be as good as new the following season. However, in spring training it was clear he was not the same pitcher. Miller was barely good enough to make the Cardinals AA affiliate and he spent the entire season in the minors. At the end of the year he retired at the age of 37. It was a sad ending but he can take solace in the fact that for one season he was the best pitcher in the HOB. In real life the junkballer struggled as a starter but made his mark after being converted to a closer.
Joe Cowley Cowley retired prior to the 1993 season after spending his entire career in the Braves organization. 1984 was the best season of his career but as the Braves improved their pitching staff in the late eighties Cowley found his role diminishing as he dropped to the bottom of their rotation. In 1988, he missed a month when he blew out his arm. That injury hurt his ratings and he was not the same after that - not that he was anything great prior to the injury. In real life his two claims to fame are throwing a nohitter (although he walked 7 in the game) and setting an American League record by striking out the first seven Texas hitters he faced as a Yankee in 1986.
Rick Cerone Selected by Toronto from Cleveland in the 1977 expansion draft, Cerone never saw much action as a Blue Jay. He was stuck behind Buck Martinez and Ernie Whitt so he spent most of his career in the minors. He got a chance to play regularly in 1985 when Whitt was lost for the season with a broken wrist but Cerone struggled terribly at the plate although his work behind the plate was outstanding. With Whitt unable to recover fully the following season, Cerone was given another chance but he still was unable to put the ball in play. The Jays were forced to deal for Junior Ortiz to solve their catching woes and Cerone went back to the minors for good in May of 1986. He retired following the 1988 season.
Billy Martin The New York Yankees had so much infield talent in the fifties that Billy Martin never got a chance to play in the major leagues. He was listed as a third baseman but was also rated at second base. With Hall of Famer Joe Gordon and perrenial allstar Joe Collins at second and steady Gil McDougald at third there was just no room for Martin. He started in 1950 and retired prior to the 1959 season presumably to take a job as a minor league instructor in the Yankees system. Mickey Rivers Rivers enjoyed a long career as the Calfornia Angels leadoff man and centerfielder. In 1979, he was named ALCS MVP as he helped the Angels to the franchise's first World Championship. In 1986 he was traded to San Francisco for 1b Earl Williams. He retired following the 1987 season at the age of 38. Rivers will qualify for the Hall of Fame ballot beginning in 1993 but he is a real long shot to make it. His 530 career stolen bases rank him in the top 30 all time and he is the Angels alltime stolen base leader (525 in a California uniform.)
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12-28-2001, 01:41 PM
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We should probably start another topic, this thing looks like it will stretch into a 5th page.
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