CBL’s MLB 2024 roster for OOTP25 - coming soon!

[jcard]

Originally Posted by CBLCardinals

With Montgomery *finally* signing I’ll prob release at least one more file.

Just curious: given that the projections are usually of actual statistical production and therefore include the influence of park factors, did you pursue and/ or find any methods or cases where adjusting for this yielded better and fairer derived ratings?

[Galeg]

How does this hole up later in the save when fake players that follow the default rating system start filling out the draft?

[CBLCardinals]

Originally Posted by Galeg

How does this hole up later in the save when fake players that follow the default rating system start filling out the draft?

I’d say take the most recent OOTP patch, and current version uploaded of my rosters out there and sim it ahead 5-10 years to see.

My current focus is updating transactions, injuries, ratings/potentials to be as balanced and realistic & release as soon as possible.

[brandonmuc]

Looking forward to the next update!

Getting a message on the current file that there have been too many views and downloads. Is that just something to wait out? Glad to see it is popular!

[Rain King]

Originally Posted by jcard

Just curious: given that the projections are usually of actual statistical production and therefore include the influence of park factors, did you pursue and/ or find any methods or cases where adjusting for this yielded better and fairer derived ratings?

Steamer does have park neutral projections available for purchase.

[CBLCardinals]

Originally Posted by jcard

Just curious: given that the projections are usually of actual statistical production and therefore include the influence of park factors, did you pursue and/ or find any methods or cases where adjusting for this yielded better and fairer derived ratings?

Great question.

The roster ratings are a blend of both Steamer and ZIPs projections. How ballparks come in to play….. I try to be cognizant of the extremes. For instance, Great American Ballpark is a launching pad for home runs, and a Flyball pitcher like Hunter Greene is projected to give up 1.5 HR/9 per ZIPs. I take his ballpark in to account and “boost up” his movement rating to try and compensate so he is not “double penalized”. His OOTP ratings will probably show something like 1.1 (or so) in HR/9, and he will probably ultimately in a season give up 1.3-1.5 HR/9 based on his ballpark. Hopefully that makes sense?

So again I import projections for thousands of players, and then try to calibrate ballpark extremes so the player is not either double rewarded or penalized.

It’s not perfect, but I’ve been very pleased with the statistical outcomes both macro and micro for the 2024 season.

[jcard]

Originally Posted by Rain King

Steamer does have park neutral projections available for purchase.

Thank you very much for that. Quick follow ups, if you get a chance and are inclined to answer:

1) Splits?

2) Forecast (à la PECOTA), or median only?

Thanks again for the information, and in advance for any further consideration of the two additional inquiries.

[jcard]

Originally Posted by CBLCardinals

Great question.

The roster ratings are a blend of both Steamer and ZIPs projections. How ballparks come in to play….. I try to be cognizant of the extremes. For instance, Great American Ballpark is a launching pad for home runs, and a Flyball pitcher like Hunter Greene is projected to give up 1.5 HR/9 per ZIPs. I take his ballpark in to account and“boost up” his movement rating to try and compensate so he is not“double penalized”. His OOTP ratings will probably show something like 1.1 (or so) in HR/9, and he will probably ultimately in a season give up 1.3-1.5 HR/9 based on his ballpark. Hopefully that makes sense?

So again I import projections for thousands of players, and then try to calibrate ballpark extremes so the player is not either double rewarded or penalized.

It’s not perfect, but I’ve been very pleased with the statistical outcomes both macro and micro for the 2024 season.

I appreciate the time and thoughtful response, and also for understanding that the question was not in any way a challenge or suggestion that there was some expectation or implied “correct” answer. This is something I have pondered when thinking about OOTP database creation, and I was curious to hear the feedback of someone else who seems likely to either have experience with the matter and /or interesting thoughts upon the matter. Two related notes (feedback certainly most welcomed, but expressly NOT expected):

1) Logically, I have always felt that the Live Start feature would stay more in the spirit of the initial projections if it updated ratings using available Rest-of-Season projections rather than the current method where the ratings basically become those of a single-season replay as the season progresses.

2) I have wondered if first-year development and aging should be disabled for the first season of a new current year save, since the projections upon which the player ratings are based are themselves for final statistics—and therefore include the projected effects of continuous development and aging through the entire season. On an anecdotal level, the top prospect “breakthrough” and older vet “collapse” frequencies always seem high in the first first season of such a save.

Again, thanks for your response to my personal question above here and, more broadly, for your generous contributions to this forum.

[kcstengelsr]

Thanks for all the work. I don't have the most current CBL but I have been trying to keep up with the last minute changes with a week or so earlier CBL for OOTP25. It is nice to have the larger rosters and current injuries. I suppose if CBL had the time maybe he could tweak a few 40 man rosters. The version of CBL rosters I have had some guys on a 40 who are not and at least one guy on a 40 was completely missing (not with any team, not a free agent, not injured, not retired)--pitcher Josimar Cousin of the White Sox.

Here is how I plan to sim once the new patch allows me to Restore Backups properly starting on March 20 even though I intend to have correct rosters for all teams for March 28):
1. With the correct rosters for March 28, keep AI changes off and turn off all new injuries and suspensions for now.
2. Play games starting March 20 and go through March 27. Hopefully the Korea series is played and no teams suffer roster changes with AI and injuries off.
3. Play games of March 28 but with injuries back on while keeping AI changes off. This means that at least one game of your sim will be with the correct rosters until stuff happens.
4, After all games of March 28 are completed, turn AI changes back on.
5. Now advance to March 29 and watch what happens.
Note: I now decided to turn all pitcher stamina to Low, starter hook at -3 and relief hook at -5. I wanted stamina at Normal but I think that OOTP tweaked individual pitcher stamina and unless I switch to Low the AI managers might have starters throwing too many pitchers.

Thanks again, CBL! Just another day and a half of late real roster moves.

[Pelican]

Originally Posted by TheChief

Hi. Ive read the thread. I still dont think I understand the difference between this an the default ootp rosters.

it certainly sounds awesome though. just no idea what it all means

Hah. The OP has discussed the tweaks and updates elsewhere in the thread. Think of his work as both an updating of the default OOTP rosters through the end of Spring Training, and a tweak of prospect (and other) ratings to better reflect how players are expected to perform in 2024. In the past, his ratings have been spot-on, from my point of view.

That said, we all play the game in our own way. Look at some of the suggestions in the thread of how to modify the settings, and feel free to experiment. I think of these rosters as a solid database, and then I personally turn off player development, and increase TCR (Talent Change Randomness), so that player performance may vary from real life.

[Pelican]

Originally Posted by KingCrimson

Can someone explain to me how to use this file? This is my first year playing and I have no idea what I'm doing. I have downloaded the file. Also, I'm using a MacBook. Thanks in advance.

Once you have downloaded the file into saved games, you can use it just as you would the default OOTP rosters. You can start your own 2024 MLB (and minor leagues) Season, with the Settings you prefer. It's an updated and tweaked database that refines the ratings and tries to predict the performance of rookies and prospects. Truthfully, it's a work of art that improves upon the default - which is already fine. I'd review some of the suggestions in this thread for how to adjust settings like AI control (or not) of teams, TCR (talent change randomness), scouting, and finances. Once you start with this solid database, you can make choices as to how your sim will work. (It can be a bit harder to locate and save files on a Mac, trust me; but the tradeoff is that Apple products tend to be more secure [pauses for PC users to push back on that]. I play on both Mac and PC versions - which can be confusing, LOL.)

[CBLCardinals]

Hey gang!

Great progress in roster file tonight! (Wednesday evening)

I’m going to give the IL report another run through in the morning, and any last minute roster changes via trade/free agency, and one more quick checks of ratings/potentials.

My plan is to have this file up and available before the first games start. Estimating that will be around noon-ish central time Thursday 3/28!!

I’ll plan to start a new thread so we can easily delineate the different versions of the roster file.

See everyone again in less than 12 hours!

[TrapperJohn]

Hey CBL — thanks for all of your work on this. Quick question, and maybe this is better directed to the developers, but thought maybe you'd know. I'm going through the draft pool on your latest file, trying to shift some of the guys errantly listed in the 2025 class into the 2024 class (prospects like Cam Caminiti, Anthony Silva, and others who are draft-eligible this year — looks like probably 100 or so who have been wrongly classified as being in the 2025 class).

For some reason, only a fraction of the 2025 prospects have the option available to change their draft class year — many of them only allow you to change their actual class (HS senior, CO sophomore, etc.). See, for example, the two images below: I can put Charlie Condon where he belongs, in the 2024 class — but not Josh Hartle. Any idea what would cause this? Figured I'd ask you before asking the devs, since I thought it was possibly a quirk of your roster creation. Thanks for any intel you might have, and, again, greatly appreciate all of the effort you put into this!

[CBLCardinals]

*** UPDATE ***

Hey gang!
Putting final touches on the roster file!

I’m a little behind, but should have a new post up announcing the updated roster file around 1pm Central.

Almost there!

[brandonmuc]

Great timing!! Couple teams just pulled some last minute trades too. This has been a great project to follow

[CBLCardinals]

Originally Posted by brandonmuc

Great timing!! Couple teams just pulled some last minute trades too. This has been a great project to follow

Yep the last one captured is Cleveland picking up Zack Kent and Peter Strzelecki

[CBLCardinals]

Originally Posted by TrapperJohn

Hey CBL — thanks for all of your work on this. Quick question, and maybe this is better directed to the developers, but thought maybe you'd know. I'm going through the draft pool on your latest file, trying to shift some of the guys errantly listed in the 2025 class into the 2024 class (prospects like Cam Caminiti, Anthony Silva, and others who are draft-eligible this year — looks like probably 100 or so who have been wrongly classified as being in the 2025 class).

For some reason, only a fraction of the 2025 prospects have the option available to change their draft class year — many of them only allow you to change their actual class (HS senior, CO sophomore, etc.). See, for example, the two images below: I can put Charlie Condon where he belongs, in the 2024 class — but not Josh Hartle. Any idea what would cause this? Figured I'd ask you before asking the devs, since I thought it was possibly a quirk of your roster creation. Thanks for any intel you might have, and, again, greatly appreciate all of the effort you put into this!

Hmmm
Super weird.

I’ve updated both of those players listed to be College juniors, but I thought in tests they already were 2024 draftees?

For these 2 specifically is the issue they are not showing up as draft eligible in the 2024 MLB draft?

[TrapperJohn]

Thanks for the reply! Yes, that's the issue exactly — a bunch of real-life 2024 draft prospects are listed as 2025, and for many of them (Hartle, Cam Caminiti, Dakota Jordan, Malcolm Moore, Derek Curiel... probably about 100 all told) there's no option in the editor to switch their year to 2024. But for other players, like Charlie Condon, the option *is* there. I wondered if maybe it had something with the way certain players were classified in the database — no idea whether this is something specific to your rosters, or a broader issue with the game. But given your depth of knowledge and the fact that it's your save file, I figured I'd ask in case it was an idiosyncrasy of these rosters in particular.

[CBLCardinals]

*** MAJOR UPDATE ***

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=354076

[firebiz]

Can I use your new 2024 opening season roster set in my ootp 24 version will it work thanks