Is there a need for an unofficial forum now?

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by pauwoo

I'd seen a lot of that in the Off Topic section back in the day... like, After Hours, or whatever it was called... I haven't seen anything here in awhile that I felt was too out of bounds but I hear you. What I was really trying to say in my comment, though, was that whatever sniping, personal shots, etc happen here would continue elsewhere... and, I think my reply sort of mised the spirit of the OP's question, which seems to have more to do with our ability to openly discuss any baseball league in the world, how we feel about its inclusion in the game or lack thereof, and etc.

All that being said - I like this board fine, I'm not too bothered by the recent censoring, I deal with similar things in my work, and, while I've had run-ins with a few users here on the boards, I brushed them off like flies at a BBQ. And, you know what's crazy? I don't even know how to use the ignore list.

Who knows, maybe this new board will have a section dedicated to bashing the General Management options in the game so that one kid can come back (for the 5th time) or even a section dedicated to working Web3 into completely unrelated discussions. I like to be entertained by tomfoolery as much as the next guy!

Yes, not just discuss, but actually engage in mod making with leagues, logos, uniforms etc…

I think the modding aspect is likely the most important going forward. This way copyrighted material can be shared with no liability to OOTPD. It’s one thing if OOTPD has a license for any given league, but I think it’s going to be another story for leagues they don’t.

[BaseballGOAT]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I think the modding aspect is likely the most important going forward. This way copyrighted material can be shared with no liability to OOTPD. It’s one thing if OOTPD has a license for any given league, but I think it’s going to be another story for leagues they don’t.

This was exactly what I was going for. It'd be nice to have somewhere where the hard work of the modding community will never be censored. I know people will say il won't happen again
But what happens next time the mlb/mlbpa licenses are due again and one or both finds a lucrative exclusive deal they like somewhere else? Not saying it's that likely but I just know it would suck if it did

[BIG17EASY]

Originally Posted by BaseballGOAT

This was exactly what I was going for. It'd be nice to have somewhere where the hard work of the modding community will never be censored. I know people will say il won't happen again
But what happens next time the mlb/mlbpa licenses are due again and one or both finds a lucrative exclusive deal they like somewhere else? Not saying it's that likely but I just know it would suck if it did

MLB has shown less than zero interest in signing an exclusive licensing deal for video games in the past, so there's no reason to think they'll go that route moving forward. The only concern would be them jacking up the price to extend the license whenever the current one for OOTP expires. But MLB is making plenty of money already, so it's hard to imagine greed would make an MLB license an issue in the future.

Also, as has been stated time and time again, the issue with the league in question is not a copyright issue. It's a license issue. Hosting mods with anything from that league is kinda pointless right now if future versions of the game have the same "scramble code" as what was just introduced in OOTP23 last month. And unless OOTP somehow gets a license for that league, you can pretty much bet your house that the scramble code will exist moving forward. You can download all the mods you want and anything else for that league, but once you put them in your game, you better have some toast to go with those scrambled eggs.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by BIG17EASY

MLB has shown less than zero interest in signing an exclusive licensing deal for video games in the past, so there's no reason to think they'll go that route moving forward. The only concern would be them jacking up the price to extend the license whenever the current one for OOTP expires. But MLB is making plenty of money already, so it's hard to imagine greed would make an MLB license an issue in the future.

Also, as has been stated time and time again, the issue with the league in question is not a copyright issue. It's a license issue. Hosting mods with anything from that league is kinda pointless right now if future versions of the game have the same "scramble code" as what was just introduced in OOTP23 last month. And unless OOTP somehow gets a license for that league, you can pretty much bet your house that the scramble code will exist moving forward. You can download all the mods you want and anything else for that league, but once you put them in your game, you better have some toast to go with those scrambled eggs.

Yes, the scramble for the league in question may very well still be there…but I doubt it will for other leagues…therefore it’s probably a good idea to have a separate website for QuickStarts, logos etc..

[BaseballGOAT]

Originally Posted by BIG17EASY

MLB has shown less than zero interest in signing an exclusive licensing deal for video games in the past, so there's no reason to think they'll go that route moving forward. The only concern would be them jacking up the price to extend the license whenever the current one for OOTP expires. But MLB is making plenty of money already, so it's hard to imagine greed would make an MLB license an issue in the future.

Also, as has been stated time and time again, the issue with the league in question is not a copyright issue. It's a license issue. Hosting mods with anything from that league is kinda pointless right now if future versions of the game have the same "scramble code" as what was just introduced in OOTP23 last month. And unless OOTP somehow gets a license for that league, you can pretty much bet your house that the scramble code will exist moving forward. You can download all the mods you want and anything else for that league, but once you put them in your game, you better have some toast to go with those scrambled eggs.

Mlb was just an example

[joefromchicago]

Originally Posted by BIG17EASY

Also, as has been stated time and time again, the issue with the league in question is not a copyright issue. It's a license issue. Hosting mods with anything from that league is kinda pointless right now if future versions of the game have the same "scramble code" as what was just introduced in OOTP23 last month. And unless OOTP somehow gets a license for that league, you can pretty much bet your house that the scramble code will exist moving forward. You can download all the mods you want and anything else for that league, but once you put them in your game, you better have some toast to go with those scrambled eggs.

Well, no. It's a trademark issue, not a license issue.

A contract between two parties is not binding on anyone other than those parties. So, for instance, if Company K is granted an exclusive license by League N, the only parties who are bound by that agreement are the company and the league. So K could sue N for breach of contract if N turned around and granted a license to another company. But if, say, Company C decides to produce a product that competes with Company K's product, Company K can't say "hey, stop that, you're violating my exclusive agreement!" That's because Company C is a stranger to that agreement and isn't bound by its terms.

What Company K can do, however, is sue to prevent Company C from using any of the exclusive intellectual-property rights that it was granted under that license. So Company K wouldn't sue for a violation of the license, it would sue for use of various trademark rights that it has by virtue of that agreement.

Now, as I've said elsewhere, Japan might have different intellectual property rules than the US, since things like statistics and player names aren't subject to trademark or copyright. The NFL, for instance, has granted an exclusive license to Madden for football games, but that doesn't mean that no one else can produce a pro-football game. They can and they do, they just can't use the trademarks that the NFL has licensed to Madden - basically logos, team names, and player likenesses.

Under American law, therefore, this would be an easy decision - just jettison the trademarked items and carry on normally while the modding community fills in the gaps. But, as I mentioned, Japanese law might be different. I'm certainly no expert in that field, so I would trust the people who are making the decisions here and who, no doubt, have much better informed advisers telling them what to do.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by joefromchicago

Well, no. It's a trademark issue, not a license issue.
Under American law, therefore, this would be an easy decision - just jettison the trademarked items and carry on normally while the modding community fills in the gaps. But, as I mentioned, Japanese law might be different. I'm certainly no expert in that field, so I would trust the people who are making the decisions here and who, no doubt, have much better informed advisers telling them what to do.

This. Which I think is why it's important to have a well run and reliable third party site. This way the gaps can be filled in for copyrighted material that isn't licensed. I think we need to seriously examine what the cost of doing something like this is...(it may not be too bad if we had a lot of donations) and how we can best maintain it.

[bigd51]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

This. Which I think is why it's important to have a well run and reliable third party site. This way the gaps can be filled in for copyrighted material that isn't licensed. I think we need to seriously examine what the cost of doing something like this is...(it may not be too bad if we had a lot of donations) and how we can best maintain it.

If OOTP modders wanted to create a site similar to FM fan sites for hosting mods, they would've done so by now.

If your main goal is to create a place -- without all of the bells and whistles -- for creators to catalog mods outside of OOTP's discretion, then free hosting sites like ProBoards is the best way to go. Sure, you don't have full control over hosting, but it's better than having these forums as the only place to turn to.

You don't need to pay for some fancy set-up or dedicate large amounts of your time to achieve that goal.

[BaseballGOAT]

Originally Posted by bigd51

If OOTP modders wanted to create a site similar to FM fan sites for hosting mods, they would've done so by now.

If your main goal is to create a place -- without all of the bells and whistles -- for creators to catalog mods outside of OOTP's discretion, then free hosting sites like ProBoards is the best way to go. Sure, you don't have full control over hosting, but it's better than having these forums as the only place to turn to.

You don't need to pay for some fancy set-up or dedicate large amounts of your time to achieve that goal.

This was my suggestion all along

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by Bobfather

Yes if it takes all the conspiracists off of this forum.

It would reduce their participation here but not eliminate it. The reason is at their own place they wouldn't have anyone to argue with so they'd continue to post here.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by The Game

I used to love to argue with people on here but many wanted to take personal shots. Too many people love the comfort of having a screen in between them and the person they want to insult. I do my arguing on Twitter now and try to keep it just to WST.(White Sox Twitter) I will see them in person.

LOL tell the whole story. You got banned for directly threatening physical violence and inviting people to come to Chicago to take you on at 6'8" and 280+lb.

[nutt]

Originally Posted by RchW

LOL tell the whole story. You got banned for directly threatening physical violence and inviting people to come to Chicago to take you on at 6'8" and 280+lb.

That's actually pretty funny. Although, when someone turns it personal with me, kid gloves come off. Which is why I refrain from getting involved in online bodily fluid arguments.

[spleen1015]

There have been mods sites before...

[canadiancreed]

Oh this brings back memories. Back with the OT section was active and entire leagues were created based solely on which BLOC you were a part of.

Guess it's true. History really does repeat itself.

[pauwoo]

6’8”! Holy frijoles, Batman!

[rwd59]

How long would Malleus Dei last today?

If you haven't been here since pretty much the beginning, you have no idea who I'm talking about. Us old-timers remember him well.

[Brad K]

Two threads have been locked since I last came to the board. Neither qualified yet for the flamefest forum. And when they did they should have been moved. So locking them is not tolerable.

Concerning the question posted in the title of this thread I'm prepared to answer "yes".

[Brad K]

I went to the link toward the top of the board "FAQ" and then clicked the FAQ "Are there any board rules" which gave me a link to the rules which is dead. How are the moderators moderating without any rules?

[TC Dale]

Originally Posted by Brad K

I went to the link toward the top of the board "FAQ" and then clicked the FAQ "Are there any board rules" which gave me a link to the rules which is dead. How are the moderators moderating without any rules?

We have a copy of the rules and posting guidelines on the internal moderators forum and access them when we have to. Also sent the message to Andreas about the link not working on the FAQ. I expect it to be fixed when the sun rises across the pond.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by TC Dale

We have a copy of the rules and posting guidelines on the internal moderators forum and access them when we have to. Also sent the message to Andreas about the link not working on the FAQ. I expect it to be fixed when the sun rises across the pond.

Thank you for your quick response.