Pete Rose: I changed my mind. - Page 5

slic1149 · 06-22-2014, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ThatSeventiesGuy

My take is, lifetime bans should be just that LIFETIME bans. Once the player dies, they should be in if their stats warrant it.

I have never looked at it that way, but I agree with your assessment. This is coming from someone who has been adamantly against Rose's enshrinement. Your idea makes sense. The only caveat I would make, is that his plaque should reflect the reason why he was enshrined posthumously.

BaseballMan · 06-23-2014, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ThatSeventiesGuy

My take is, lifetime bans should be just that LIFETIME bans. Once the player dies, they should be in if their stats warrant it.

It's not a lifetime ban. It's permanently ineligible
but there's no time limit.

Carlton · 06-23-2014, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Questdog

I don't understand the Buck Weaver movement.....he is not banned from baseball anymore. He was banned for life and his life is over, so he is not banned anymore. If his ghost shows up at an MLB park, they would have no authority to bar him entrance.

I said ceremony...not induction

It should be recognized that he had nothing to do with the fix. The man has 100's of letters to Landis trying to get back in...seems that is a man defending his innocence to me

zappa1 · 07-11-2014, 04:52 PM

Betting is betting. Whether you're betting to win or not. It's against the rules. Just because he happens to be the hits leader makes no difference. He should have known better. NOBODY is bigger than the game. I've lost all respect for the guy.

KurtBevacqua · 07-11-2014, 05:10 PM

Now my understanding is baseball writers don't vote on people for the cumulative careers to go into the HoF. Players are voted on as players, writers as writers, execs as execs and managers as managers. With that understanding, I think a pretty a decent, though not foolproof argument can be made that Pete Rose the player should be in the Hall of Fame while Pete Rose the manager (never really a contender for it anyway) should not. I say not foolproof because he was a player-manager for the very end of his career.

I♥Pepper · 07-12-2014, 02:10 AM

My 1981 Topps Pete Rose record breaker card was my favorite baseball card for a long time.
http://bapple2286.files.wordpress.co...5/81t-rose.jpg
I'd say from about 1981 up until the time I sold it in 1987, when I had to find a way to pay for my first speeding ticket.
Should Pete Rose be allowed into the Hall of Fame? That's a hard question to answer.
How do I want Pete Rose to be remembered? Does his absence from the Hall of Fame actually make him more famous? What will future generations of young baseball fans think about Pete Rose, that guy who has the most hits, but isn't in the Hall of Fame?
Many kids now can look up Pete Rose's history on the internet and see for themselves, nothing can be hidden or glossed over. Ultimately, it seems to me, that the main reason to keep him out would be to serve as a deterrent for future professional players. I think this would play an important role in a players decision making process, at least it would with me. Another factor to consider is Barry Bonds. He hasn't been banned so far as I know, but yet he still hasn't been voted in. Will the homerun king remain absent from the Hall of Fame?
I guess I'm still on the fence. I can't decide either way. It's way above my pay grade.

07-11-2014, 05:10 PM	#85
KurtBevacqua Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,968	Now my understanding is baseball writers don't vote on people for the cumulative careers to go into the HoF. Players are voted on as players, writers as writers, execs as execs and managers as managers. With that understanding, I think a pretty a decent, though not foolproof argument can be made that Pete Rose the player should be in the Hall of Fame while Pete Rose the manager (never really a contender for it anyway) should not. I say not foolproof because he was a player-manager for the very end of his career. __________________ "The type and formula of most schemes of philanthropy or humanitarianism is this: A and B put their heads together to decide what C shall be made to do for D. The radical vice of all these schemes, from a sociological point of view, is that C is not allowed a voice in the matter, and his position, character, and interests, as well as the ultimate effects on society through C's interests, are entirely overlooked. I call C the Forgotten Man" - William Graham Sumner

07-11-2014, 04:52 PM	#84
zappa1 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 2,143	Betting is betting. Whether you're betting to win or not. It's against the rules. Just because he happens to be the hits leader makes no difference. He should have known better. NOBODY is bigger than the game. I've lost all respect for the guy.

07-12-2014, 02:10 AM	#86
I♥Pepper Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 33	My 1981 Topps Pete Rose record breaker card was my favorite baseball card for a long time. http://bapple2286.files.wordpress.co...5/81t-rose.jpg I'd say from about 1981 up until the time I sold it in 1987, when I had to find a way to pay for my first speeding ticket. Should Pete Rose be allowed into the Hall of Fame? That's a hard question to answer. How do I want Pete Rose to be remembered? Does his absence from the Hall of Fame actually make him more famous? What will future generations of young baseball fans think about Pete Rose, that guy who has the most hits, but isn't in the Hall of Fame? Many kids now can look up Pete Rose's history on the internet and see for themselves, nothing can be hidden or glossed over. Ultimately, it seems to me, that the main reason to keep him out would be to serve as a deterrent for future professional players. I think this would play an important role in a players decision making process, at least it would with me. Another factor to consider is Barry Bonds. He hasn't been banned so far as I know, but yet he still hasn't been voted in. Will the homerun king remain absent from the Hall of Fame? I guess I'm still on the fence. I can't decide either way. It's way above my pay grade.