Big Ten Expanding to 12 Teams - Page 5

jbergey22 · 12-26-2009, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

No, Notre Dame has the potential to make more money by itself in a good football year. Do you have problem reading what I wrote?

The ideal case for them would be joining Big 10 in everything but football.

The win-win isn't that obvious actually if you talk strictly about BCS. It's easier to have two current Big 10 teams and Notre Dame all in the BCS Bowls ( like in 05-06 and 06-07) when Notre Dame is not in the Big 10.

Didnt you just post a link to Forbes most valuable football programs? Notre Dame was number 1 correct?

Why are 4 Big Ten teams making between 8-34 million more than them despite having a "lower valuable" football programs. Wouldnt you think Notre Dame would be able to generate more revenue than Ohio State which made 34 million more than them if they were in the Big 10? Im pretty sure Notre Dame cant generate an additional 34 million just by making a BCS bowl on their own.

Skipaway · 12-26-2009, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

Didnt you just post a link to Forbes most valuable football programs? Notre Dame was number 1 correct?

Why are 4 Big Ten teams making between 8-34 million more than them despite having a "lower valuable" football programs. Wouldnt you think Notre Dame would be able to generate more revenue than Ohio State which made 34 million more than them if they were in the Big 10? Im pretty sure Notre Dame cant generate an additional 34 million just by making a BCS bowl on their own.

Because the Forbes ranking is based on dividend projections. Forbes is expecting the Notre Dame program to make more money ( profit not revenue) down the road than the Big 10 teams.

Forbes actually pointed out why Notre Dame isn't having its full earning potential yet, and that has NOTHING to do with joining a conference: Notre Dame is not selling luxury suites and ads in stadiums other rich teams do.

Cooleyvol · 12-27-2009, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

The win-win isn't that obvious actually if you talk strictly about BCS. It's easier to have two current Big 10 teams and Notre Dame all in the BCS Bowls ( like in 05-06 and 06-07) when Notre Dame is not in the Big 10.

Which, by the way, is the ONLY way you can even stay in this conversation and, as usual, not admit you're wrong.

pwned says I.

Skipaway · 12-27-2009, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Cooleyvol

Which, by the way, is the ONLY way you can even stay in this conversation and, as usual, not admit you're wrong.

pwned says I.

Are you even bothering reading what I posted?

Make it very very very slow and very very very simple for you:

A Big 10 team gets average 0.2 BCS Bowl payout a year throughout BCS history. About 0.1~0.2 every year.

Notre Dame gets 0.3 BCS Bowl payout a year throughout BCS history, but it's a feast or famine 0 or 1.

TV money of Notre Dame and Big 10 is actually equivalent, but Marc was comparing all TV money for Big 10 with football TV money only for Notre Dame.

The profit of Notre Dame isn't as high as it should be ( Forbes said that, not me), but its profit potential is 2nd in the country only behind Texas ( also Forbes said that), and the thing it needs to do is to sell more luxury suites and stadium ads.

Honestly, you never really had anything in these discussions other than attacking me, and the way you are personally attacking me isn't even making sense.

Skipaway · 12-27-2009, 04:56 PM

Interestingly, Texas, the #1 in Forbes and all kind of sports program financial rankings, might presents Notre Dame a better model if money is the goal.

Texas is doing extremely well not because of the conference, but of its own marketing operation. Texas was even exploring ways to have its own channel and figuring out if there were ways to show its own games outside of Big 12 contracts.

phightin · 01-01-2010, 11:01 PM

Granted florida is a step above anyone in the big 10 but I hope this at least proves just how much of a hard time rutgers would have there.

yankeesrule · 01-02-2010, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by phightin

Granted florida is a step above anyone in the big 10 but I hope this at least proves just how much of a hard time rutgers would have there.

why? because an uninspired cincy team w/o their coach got smoked as bad as the might tOSU did a few years back? even without kelly, they would have probably beaten the majority of the teams in bcs games, however florida was just a real bad matchup for them. floridas speed on defense shut down cincy's offense and its no secret that cincy's defense sucks.

David Watts · 01-02-2010, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by yankeesrule

why? because an uninspired cincy team w/o their coach got smoked as bad as the might tOSU did a few years back? even without kelly, they would have probably beaten the majority of the teams in bcs games, however florida was just a real bad matchup for them. floridas speed on defense shut down cincy's offense and its no secret that cincy's defense sucks.

That uninspired stuff is a load of crap. They were overmatched from the start. They would lose just as bad to Texas or Alabama. That being said, I think they would be a tough team to beat for every other BCS bowl team. Would love to watch them play Oregon.

Thanos · 01-03-2010, 02:56 PM

It will either be Mizzou or Pitt, unless ND changes its mind.

jaxmagicman · 01-03-2010, 09:41 PM

Navy beat Mizzou. Just saying.

yankeesrule · 01-03-2010, 09:52 PM

if pitt brought a new media market, they would probably be the pick. they have the academics and history. however, they dont bring a new media market. additionally, their fan base is really sad. maybe its just because they play in a nfl stadium, idk, but the times ive been out there or seen their games on tv, the attendance has been poor and the stadium rather quiet. For their bowl game this year, they had to arrange a deal before accepting where UNC took most of their tickets because they knew their fan base doesn't travel to bowl games. Ultimately, I heard they brought about 5k down to charlotte which isn't even that bad of a trip from pitt.

Cooleyvol · 01-03-2010, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

Navy beat Mizzou. Just saying.

They beat Notre Dame too...........Guess they're out as well.

Thanos · 01-04-2010, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

Navy beat Mizzou. Just saying.

No skin off my back. I'm from MO but have never been a Mizzou fan. They do make sense on a couple of levels for the Big Ten though. Pitt probably has the best overall chance.

marc · 05-01-2010, 07:37 PM

Well, we can finally put this argument to rest that Notre Dame wouldn't make more money by joining the Big Ten.....

"Notre Dame almost certainly stands to make more money as a Big Ten member than it would as a football independent. But this is one of those rare cases where the guiding principle isn't printed on green paper. "Remaining independent in football is a top priority for the university," Swarbrick said. "Not just for the athletics program. For the university."

Goody · 05-01-2010, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by le grande orange

then naturally their name should be, "this one goes to eleven."

"epoch"

TC Dale · 05-02-2010, 11:18 AM

Surprised no one posted anything about the WNDU statement that the five teams had already been picked. SI's Peter King even tweeted about it Friday, but no national sports organization, news or otherwise has jumped on it.

Just sayin'

http://www.wndu.com/sports/headlines/92447574.html

Cooleyvol · 05-02-2010, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by marc

Well, we can finally put this argument to rest that Notre Dame wouldn't make more money by joining the Big Ten.....

"Notre Dame almost certainly stands to make more money as a Big Ten member than it would as a football independent. But this is one of those rare cases where the guiding principle isn't printed on green paper. "Remaining independent in football is a top priority for the university," Swarbrick said. "Not just for the athletics program. For the university."

Complete nonesense.

Reason? Skipaway said ND wouldn't make more money in the B10. I can't believe you even took the time to refute one of his claims, Marc!

Melo · 05-03-2010, 02:56 PM

Not sure why Rutgers is attractive. They have a good fanbase but it is small. It will not capture the NY market. Cuse will do a better job of that then Rurgers.

canadiancreed · 05-03-2010, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Cooleyvol

I can't believe you even took the time to refute one of his claims, Marc!

Boredom does strange things to people.

Cooleyvol · 05-03-2010, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Melo

Not sure why Rutgers is attractive. They have a good fanbase but it is small. It will not capture the NY market. Cuse will do a better job of that then Rurgers.

If true, my guess at the reasons are:

1) Its the state university of NJ

2) They'd bank on increased interest at Rutgers against the likes of Michigan, Ohio State......etc. as opposed to Cincinnati, Louisville........etc.

12-27-2009, 04:56 PM	#85
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	Interestingly, Texas, the #1 in Forbes and all kind of sports program financial rankings, might presents Notre Dame a better model if money is the goal. Texas is doing extremely well not because of the conference, but of its own marketing operation. Texas was even exploring ways to have its own channel and figuring out if there were ways to show its own games outside of Big 12 contracts. __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

01-03-2010, 02:56 PM	#89
Thanos Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Mid MO Posts: 84	It will either be Mizzou or Pitt, unless ND changes its mind. __________________ I bleed Cardinal red.

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jaxmagicman Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Retired defloration-maker living in Myrtle Beach, SC Posts: 7,801	Navy beat Mizzou. Just saying. __________________ See ID Major League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with permission of MLB Advanced Media, L.P. Minor League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with the permission of Minor League Baseball. All rights reserved.

05-01-2010, 07:37 PM	#94
marc Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,505	Well, we can finally put this argument to rest that Notre Dame wouldn't make more money by joining the Big Ten..... "Notre Dame almost certainly stands to make more money as a Big Ten member than it would as a football independent. But this is one of those rare cases where the guiding principle isn't printed on green paper. "Remaining independent in football is a top priority for the university," Swarbrick said. "Not just for the athletics program. For the university." __________________

05-02-2010, 11:18 AM	#96
TC Dale Global Moderator Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,975	Surprised no one posted anything about the WNDU statement that the five teams had already been picked. SI's Peter King even tweeted about it Friday, but no national sports organization, news or otherwise has jumped on it. Just sayin' http://www.wndu.com/sports/headlines/92447574.html __________________ ---------------------------------- Last edited by TC Dale; 05-02-2010 at 06:10 PM. Reason: Added link.

01-01-2010, 11:01 PM	#86
phightin All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 586	Granted florida is a step above anyone in the big 10 but I hope this at least proves just how much of a hard time rutgers would have there.

01-03-2010, 09:52 PM	#91
yankeesrule All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,367	if pitt brought a new media market, they would probably be the pick. they have the academics and history. however, they dont bring a new media market. additionally, their fan base is really sad. maybe its just because they play in a nfl stadium, idk, but the times ive been out there or seen their games on tv, the attendance has been poor and the stadium rather quiet. For their bowl game this year, they had to arrange a deal before accepting where UNC took most of their tickets because they knew their fan base doesn't travel to bowl games. Ultimately, I heard they brought about 5k down to charlotte which isn't even that bad of a trip from pitt.

05-03-2010, 02:56 PM	#98
Melo All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Where the baned reside Posts: 1,428	Not sure why Rutgers is attractive. They have a good fanbase but it is small. It will not capture the NY market. Cuse will do a better job of that then Rurgers.