OOTP 11 - Interface navigation poll! - Page 5

endgame · 10-23-2009, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by TribeFanInNC

My new take is that people shouldn't need different ways. A well designed interface does not need customization in an application where everybody is doing the same thing (managing a baseball team). I never spend time using Excel wishing I could get to Analysis Tools a different way. I want to get there in 1 menu selection and I can. I want easy ways to change decimal places and format cells and copy/paste/move fields - I can.

There's a great deal of merit in this argument. Customization can be, often is, in and of itself a steep and complex learning curve. What means what? What do I really need where? How important is this or that? How often do I access a function? What is that function? How do I customize? Can I customize in a way that creates obstacles instead of freedoms? Many of these answers are only discerned after gaining the appropriate experience.

Endless inquiries, but I'm not ruling out the idea that it can be simplified. Practical solutions are available, I'm certain, but one certainly seems to be the idea to make everything available in a universal interface with options to go anywhere, anytime; click any function on/off after exposure to its merit in your environment, and maintain the ability to customize the inner function rather than the overall integration.

It's been suggested that browser-orientations may not be the best model, and I tend to agree, but as interface layouts go, there's something to be said, say for instance, having a IE8 oriented hidden, but exposable left or right hand menu with literally everything in it. While IE8 contains tabs in sequence labeled Favorites, Feeds, and History, we might be able to offer arbitrary overall catch-alls, or even be able to customize those housing tabs so the user could simply collect and modify his own collections (read that Add to Favorites, or Add to Financials...). It'd amount to a concise & self-contained super-charged bookmark with global game reach.

Brainstorming, take it FWIW. Good discussion guys, keep it rolling.

conception · 10-24-2009, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by BusterKing

How many times does it have to be said: "Don't take away features, many are liking them" even if they don't post on the forums about it.

Nothing is more annoying then finding that one of your favorite features has been removed from a new version of the game. Many still remember how much we lost in versions AFTER 6.5

I think, at some point, things have to move forward. I know I'm kind of contradicting myself here, seeing as I lobbied for bookmarks to stay a couple posts ago, but even I admitted that getting rid of bookmarks would be fine if the menus that I use it for were more quickly accessed. A user interface is not a feature or function, it is merely a means to get to your functions. It could definitely be improved upon, how, I'm not the one to answer that question but I can give input.

If Markus were to never risk taking out something that certain OOTP players use, we'd end up with pretty much the same game every year with only a couple tweaks here and there. I want the game to move forward, and without adding 3D animation for the games (which we all understand is not ever likely to happen in OOTP), moving to an interface that wasn't so daunting to learn and navigate for newcomers is about the biggest way that OOTP can improve.

Besides, I'd rather Markus give support to those of us that are on the forum promoting features and ideas we love, instead of trying to guess what things people like. OOTP Developments is very open to its users suggestions and criticisms, and there is certainly no reason why people can't come here and say what it is they like about the game and what they think would make their experience better.

bosunmate · 10-24-2009, 10:31 AM

After reading some of the post's i started using bookmarks for the first time, and i found it very usefull alot lest clicking. So i agree that the poll should be rigged where you can vote for all, if you use them. That would be a fair way to do it. Just a thought...

molarmite · 10-24-2009, 02:02 PM

I have two buttons on my mouse that go forward and back on webpages and would love to see that in OOTP.

Bluenoser · 10-24-2009, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bosunmate

After reading some of the post's i started using bookmarks for the first time, and i found it very usefull alot lest clicking. So i agree that the poll should be rigged where you can vote for all, if you use them. That would be a fair way to do it. Just a thought...

You can vote for more than one option. I selected three when I voted.

Eugene Church · 10-24-2009, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by blueturf

The poll let you select multiple options, so it could be that many use the bookmarks but only selected one option in the poll. I use bookmarks extensively, but I probably use the toolbar along the bottom much more.

The most essential navigation tool was not in the poll - which is the right click functionality, both to go back to the previous primary screen and for quick navigation when clicking on a player or team link.

I know very little about computer and navigating, but really find it convenient when I just have to right click and can get back to the previous page. Sometimes the game will let you do it and sometimes not.

endgame · 10-24-2009, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by blueturf

The poll let you select multiple options, so it could be that many use the bookmarks but only selected one option in the poll. I use bookmarks extensively, but I probably use the toolbar along the bottom much more.

The most essential navigation tool was not in the poll - which is the right click functionality, both to go back to the previous primary screen and for quick navigation when clicking on a player or team link.

Yeah, I fell into the only-selected-one trap. I wasn't keen enough to grasp the meaning of the (s) in the poll question or I would have included more.

bosunmate · 10-24-2009, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by endgame

Yeah, I fell into the only-selected-one trap. I wasn't keen enough to grasp the meaning of the (s) in the poll question or I would have included more.

I also didn't see it. I guess i didn't look close enough...

fantom1979 · 10-26-2009, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by molarmite

I have two buttons on my mouse that go forward and back on webpages and would love to see that in OOTP.

ditto

Solonor · 10-26-2009, 07:15 AM

I don't use the forward/back buttons unless I have to. The majority of the time, I use either the right mouse click or the backspace button to go back a page. I wish those worked all the time so I never had to look for the buttons.

Mapping frequently used pages to function keys wasn't something I used until recently, but it's fairly neat...when I remember that I mapped them. I just wish that you could choose which page to map to a specific key. As it is, you're stuck with the order you bookmark them and have to rearrange things if you don't like it. (Minor annoyances add up.)

Cryomaniac · 10-26-2009, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by molarmite

I have two buttons on my mouse that go forward and back on webpages and would love to see that in OOTP.

That would be useful.

Sweed · 10-26-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by blueturf

The poll let you select multiple options, so it could be that many use the bookmarks but only selected one option in the poll. I use bookmarks extensively, but I probably use the toolbar along the bottom much more.

The most essential navigation tool was not in the poll - which is the right click functionality, both to go back to the previous primary screen and for quick navigation when clicking on a player or team link.

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Originally Posted by endgame

Yeah, I fell into the only-selected-one trap. I wasn't keen enough to grasp the meaning of the (s) in the poll question or I would have included more.

Afraid I did the same also, too big of a hurry. To get an accurate picture it might be nice if the poll was redone?

I voted the "Icons at the bottom" but if I'd seen multiple choices were available I would have included "bookmarks".

I also use extensively (almost as much as the bottom icons) the right click to both go back a screen and to open up different player screens. Whatever you do please leave it in the game.

phenom · 10-27-2009, 08:31 AM

I used the bookmarks yesterday! Created a league where some friends were created as studly players in the league, and I bookmarked their profile pages for easy access.

Kelric · 10-27-2009, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Well, in our current design the toolbar at the bottom will disappear anyway

Nnnnnoooooo!!!!!!!!

ctorg · 10-28-2009, 01:48 PM

I use all of those features often.

Killing Time · 10-29-2009, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by phenom

I used the bookmarks yesterday!

Gold star for Phenom!

Tomorrow we will cover how to make a trade.

phenom · 10-29-2009, 09:47 AM

at the risk of my first warning, you're a real jackass, Killing Time.

Malleus Dei · 10-29-2009, 12:30 PM

"Smileys mean that the statement they accompany are intended as humor."

phenom · 10-29-2009, 03:42 PM

Smiling smilies, maybe, not rolleyes.

bosunmate · 10-29-2009, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by phenom

Smiling smilies, maybe, not rolleyes.

I read it and thought it was funny. I don't think it was meant as a dig but i could be wrong....

View Poll Results: Which OOTP 10 interface navigation element(s) do you use frequently?
Forward/back buttons	306	76.69%
"Recent" menu	62	15.54%
"Bookmarks" menu	55	13.78%
Icons at the bottom (excluding "Finish Today")	225	56.39%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 399. You may not vote on this poll

10-24-2009, 02:02 PM	#84
molarmite Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 4,926	I have two buttons on my mouse that go forward and back on webpages and would love to see that in OOTP. __________________ From the wise mind of Davey Eckstein "Now all you need is a signature. A quote or initial, perhaps." [

10-26-2009, 07:15 AM	#90
Solonor Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Maine Posts: 4,466	I don't use the forward/back buttons unless I have to. The majority of the time, I use either the right mouse click or the backspace button to go back a page. I wish those worked all the time so I never had to look for the buttons. Mapping frequently used pages to function keys wasn't something I used until recently, but it's fairly neat...when I remember that I mapped them. I just wish that you could choose which page to map to a specific key. As it is, you're stuck with the order you bookmark them and have to rearrange things if you don't like it. (Minor annoyances add up.) __________________ Solonor's Groovy Computer Baseball League - Making baseball a hobbit since 2003! "Beings will come, Frodo. The one constant through all the years has been baseball. Middle Earth has rolled by like an army of Mumakil. It has been erased like a slate, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Frodo. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again. Oh... beings will come Frodo. Beings will most definitely come." - Gladden Field of Dreams

10-28-2009, 01:48 PM	#95
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	I use all of those features often. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

10-24-2009, 10:31 AM	#83
bosunmate All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 1,757	After reading some of the post's i started using bookmarks for the first time, and i found it very usefull alot lest clicking. So i agree that the poll should be rigged where you can vote for all, if you use them. That would be a fair way to do it. Just a thought...

10-27-2009, 08:31 AM	#93
phenom Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Near the Great Wall. On the GOOD side. Posts: 3,770	I used the bookmarks yesterday! Created a league where some friends were created as studly players in the league, and I bookmarked their profile pages for easy access.

10-29-2009, 09:47 AM	#97
phenom Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Near the Great Wall. On the GOOD side. Posts: 3,770	at the risk of my first warning, you're a real jackass, Killing Time.

10-29-2009, 03:42 PM	#99
phenom Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Near the Great Wall. On the GOOD side. Posts: 3,770	Smiling smilies, maybe, not rolleyes.