All-Time Roster Project - Page 5

GForce22 · 11-02-2002, 10:34 PM

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Originally posted by Royals
I can't wait for this to come out. I have something similiar. I'm sure yours will be much better.

One problem I have is the payrolls are too high. I have to have around 180 million dollar cap to be able to get players to sign.

Also did you add P Roger Nelson to the Royals. He was a good pitcher for them. They used him to get Hal McRae from the Reds

Royals

Yup. Actually, I am entering the Royals as we speak. Nelson wouldn't have made a different team, but the Royals being so young, Nelson made the staff, despite only a couple of seasons pitching regularly (I think he was there for 4 but 2 were very limited action).

Thanks for the interest.

GH

GForce22 · 11-05-2002, 12:32 PM

I hope to have the Web site updated with the latest sim of the 22 teams done at this point either today or tomorrow. I'll let you know when I get it done.

I have the Yankees spreadsheet to do, then the expansion team. After that, it's doing the Negro Leaguers, Japanese players, and other unclaimed major leaguers (as well as possibly that minor league greats team that was posted here). After that, all the players are in the game and it's a matter of ratings adjustments.

GH

GForce22 · 11-05-2002, 01:25 PM

ok, a brief update. I have posted the sim results and each team's batting and pitching stats. I'll get more up throughout the day as I have a chance (I'll try to do the minors so you can see the other guys on each franchise).

The AL had 10 teams (actually 9, and I put Milwaukee back for the sim). The NL had 12 teams. No interleague play.

Surprise (bad) : Dodgers
Surprise (good): Angels

Keep in mind there will be lots of ratings adjustments from this point. Basically, all ratings now are based on average season. But by using the age factor, everything has to be adjusted (otherwise some guys will never have their peak years.) At this point, I just want to get everyone into the game, then I'll go through and adjust the ratings.

Feedback, as always, is appreciated.

www.geocities.com/ghenglein/standr.htm

GH

Wheele8 · 11-05-2002, 01:43 PM

The rosters look very concise. Great job, I can't wait till your finished so I can try em out.

GForce22 · 11-05-2002, 01:54 PM

thanks. They'll only get better. I already know the things I don't like, I just need to get all the players into the game before I can make big adjustments. Looking at the top prospects for example (I just uploaded that sheet for the league and each team's minor league) some guys are rated lower than other guys for reasons I can't explain (Otto Velez rated as a higher prospect than Jim Rice, for example). There should be a large potential gap between Rice and Velez that isn't there right now. By virtue of guys being rated for their average season on the import, guys who played too long were hurt if they had off years at the end. And since virtually nobody averaged 30 homers a year, the brilliant homer potential is rare...one the potential ratings are adjusted, things will look much better.

GH

drprestwood · 11-05-2002, 07:43 PM

i still think you don't need to do the draft of other players. it pollutes the teams. it might be better to leave them as free agents. why draft the unclaimed players? can't they all be claimed by somebody?

GForce22 · 11-05-2002, 09:32 PM

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Originally posted by drprestwood
i still think you don't need to do the draft of other players. it pollutes the teams. it might be better to leave them as free agents. why draft the unclaimed players? can't they all be claimed by somebody?

Well, the expansion franchise definitely needs more bodies, which is one reason. I suppose I could do two releases, one including the players as a result of the draft, one with all those extras as free agents. Wouldn't take any extra time.

GH

Sir Lurksalot · 11-06-2002, 01:02 AM

There are definitely some interesting statistics with what you have done so far. Some of the guys I expected to see with high power numbers are virtually nonexistant and some guys I have never heard of have monster numbers! I didn't see any 20 game winners, which I was also surprised in not seeing. The rosters look terrific, GForce. I am really looking forward to the finished product. Not surprisingly the Padres were pathetic.

GForce22 · 11-06-2002, 11:39 AM

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Originally posted by Sir Lurksalot
There are definitely some interesting statistics with what you have done so far. Some of the guys I expected to see with high power numbers are virtually nonexistant and some guys I have never heard of have monster numbers! I didn't see any 20 game winners, which I was also surprised in not seeing. The rosters look terrific, GForce. I am really looking forward to the finished product. Not surprisingly the Padres were pathetic.

Well, remember, there are LOTS of ratings adjustments coming. The biggest thing that can skew ratings are guys who played over a span where the game turned really offensive from defensive or vice versa. I figure league stats relative to the decade a guy played the most in. This is how I developed an "average" season.

Take the player and figure out his percentage of hits, 2b, 3b, hr, bb an so relative to the league percentage for his main decade. His numbers relative to that gets transposed vs. the percentages in the 80's (the era I chose to base everything on, but you can adjust the era calculator to add or subtract offense to your desires). So a guy who was 5% above the league avg in homers in the 20's, will be 20% above the league average in the 80s, and thus this representation. But what about a guy who played in the 10s (heavy pitching) and 20s (hitting). or the 60s and 70s. The game changed during his career, so his numbers can be skewed a bit because he was rated compared with only one decade.
Also, older guys (like 1800s) were hard because stats are so incomplete for the era. They will need to be fixed. Age adjustments will need to be made, and potential/talent ratings still need to be adjusted. So there is much left to do in the way of ratings.

But the roster management is also odd in some cases.

Braves:
Justice (Average, good, brilliant) gets the nod over Aaron (Brilliant, Brilliant, Average).

Cardinals:
Frankie Frisch (Average, Fair, Fair) over Hornsby (good (will be brilliant), brilliant, good)

No logical reason for these decisions. But the computer made them. And Frisch and Justice weren't even having good years. Aaron and Hornsby LIT UP AAA. Never got a call-up.

At this point I'm just doing auto-manager to set the rosters but before release I'll alter them to start right (though the computer will likely change a lot anyway). Maybe one current ratings and potentials are further adjusted, things like that will happen less.

I realize it has seemed this is getting close to completion because the players are getting imported quickly, but there is still a LOT of work to do to get this the quality I want it.

GH

Sir Lurksalot · 11-06-2002, 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by GForce22
I realize it has seemed this is getting close to completion because the players are getting imported quickly, but there is still a LOT of work to do to get this the quality I want it.

GH

And that is the reason that this will be a terrific roster, GForce. You are putting a lot of time and effort into it and it will show. I, for one, appreciate what you are doing. Thank you

GForce22 · 11-06-2002, 12:11 PM

Thanks a lot. I appreciate it!

GH

GForce22 · 11-06-2002, 01:11 PM

I just did spreadsheets for the Yankees...DANG...they are going to be TOUGH to beat.

GH

malthaussen · 11-07-2002, 08:57 AM

My experience in all-time leagues has been that the A's usually end up winning the AL... because of all the great lefthanded pitchers they can throw at the damnyankees. So don't give up hope.

Mal

GForce22 · 11-07-2002, 09:23 PM

ok, I got the site updated in a more thorough fashion and updated the main index page. The actual link for the site is www.geocities.com/ghenglein/index.html

I added World Series boxscores from the sim, league leaders, team stats and more.

Also, I was home sick today and got the Twins and White Sox into the game. That means now it's the Yankees, the expansion team, the negro league team, and the extras. But of the main 26, only the Yankees are left.

Enjoy!

GH

MMiranda119 · 11-08-2002, 02:18 PM

it says the page was not found.

GForce22 · 11-08-2002, 02:20 PM

try it again...I left off the l of html.

GH

GForce22 · 11-08-2002, 04:06 PM

ya know, it's good that I go back in my roster threads periodically and look through them...there are two GREAT sites for the negro league data I was looking for buried in this thread from Big Train and CFrank. I was in such a rush getting this project done and if a post caught my eye or asked a question I would answer it and move on and would sometimes forget to go back and check other things people posted. That happened here. These bits of information will be a lot of help and are much appreciated. After I get the Yankees imported (hopefully tonight or tomorrow) I will be starting Negro League guys.

I have been giving thought, however, to NOT doing the Senators as a Negro League team, but rather letting them be a team of the good, but not good enough, guys who were unclaimed by the other franchises (see Brett Butler, Lonnie Smith, etc.). What would be done instead is all Negro League players (as well as Japanese players) would be created for the purpose of the draft after the first season. This would let all of those guys start their careers from an age between 18-21, giving them FULL careers and leaving them open to be drafted by ALL teams.
Someone mentioned making them free agents, but my fear there is that guys would prefer to go to some teams than others (who would choose to play for the Padres over the Yankees or Cardinals, given the strengths of those teams).
I've kicked back and forth about this trying to come up with the best solution. There is no doubt the Negro Leaguers and Japanese Players will be included, I am just wondering if creating an all Negro League team is the best way to do it. I'd be picking and choosing who to put on the team and who to leave off.

I'm still working on it. Just want to do it right.

GH

MMiranda119 · 11-08-2002, 04:22 PM

this all-time roster project is incredibly sexy

GForce22 · 11-08-2002, 05:01 PM

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Originally posted by MMiranda119
this all-time roster project is incredibly sexy

LOL! Thanks, I think

GH

MMiranda119 · 11-08-2002, 10:15 PM

yes, it was a compliment.

anyway, i don't know if i missed this, but any idea when the all time set will be finished? no rush, just curious.

11-07-2002, 09:23 PM	#94
GForce22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,654	ok, I got the site updated in a more thorough fashion and updated the main index page. The actual link for the site is www.geocities.com/ghenglein/index.html I added World Series boxscores from the sim, league leaders, team stats and more. Also, I was home sick today and got the Twins and White Sox into the game. That means now it's the Yankees, the expansion team, the negro league team, and the extras. But of the main 26, only the Yankees are left. Enjoy! GH Last edited by GForce22; 11-08-2002 at 02:20 PM.

11-08-2002, 02:18 PM	#95
MMiranda119 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Purchase, NY Posts: 79	it says the page was not found. __________________ "People never notice anything." -Holden Caulfield

11-08-2002, 04:22 PM	#98
MMiranda119 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Purchase, NY Posts: 79	this all-time roster project is incredibly sexy __________________ "People never notice anything." -Holden Caulfield

11-08-2002, 10:15 PM	#100
MMiranda119 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Purchase, NY Posts: 79	yes, it was a compliment. anyway, i don't know if i missed this, but any idea when the all time set will be finished? no rush, just curious. __________________ "People never notice anything." -Holden Caulfield

11-05-2002, 12:32 PM	#82
GForce22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,654	I hope to have the Web site updated with the latest sim of the 22 teams done at this point either today or tomorrow. I'll let you know when I get it done. I have the Yankees spreadsheet to do, then the expansion team. After that, it's doing the Negro Leaguers, Japanese players, and other unclaimed major leaguers (as well as possibly that minor league greats team that was posted here). After that, all the players are in the game and it's a matter of ratings adjustments. GH

11-05-2002, 01:25 PM	#83
GForce22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,654	ok, a brief update. I have posted the sim results and each team's batting and pitching stats. I'll get more up throughout the day as I have a chance (I'll try to do the minors so you can see the other guys on each franchise). The AL had 10 teams (actually 9, and I put Milwaukee back for the sim). The NL had 12 teams. No interleague play. Surprise (bad) : Dodgers Surprise (good): Angels Keep in mind there will be lots of ratings adjustments from this point. Basically, all ratings now are based on average season. But by using the age factor, everything has to be adjusted (otherwise some guys will never have their peak years.) At this point, I just want to get everyone into the game, then I'll go through and adjust the ratings. Feedback, as always, is appreciated. www.geocities.com/ghenglein/standr.htm GH

11-05-2002, 01:43 PM	#84
Wheele8 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 149	The rosters look very concise. Great job, I can't wait till your finished so I can try em out.

11-05-2002, 01:54 PM	#85
GForce22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,654	thanks. They'll only get better. I already know the things I don't like, I just need to get all the players into the game before I can make big adjustments. Looking at the top prospects for example (I just uploaded that sheet for the league and each team's minor league) some guys are rated lower than other guys for reasons I can't explain (Otto Velez rated as a higher prospect than Jim Rice, for example). There should be a large potential gap between Rice and Velez that isn't there right now. By virtue of guys being rated for their average season on the import, guys who played too long were hurt if they had off years at the end. And since virtually nobody averaged 30 homers a year, the brilliant homer potential is rare...one the potential ratings are adjusted, things will look much better. GH

11-05-2002, 07:43 PM	#86
drprestwood All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,501	i still think you don't need to do the draft of other players. it pollutes the teams. it might be better to leave them as free agents. why draft the unclaimed players? can't they all be claimed by somebody?

11-06-2002, 01:02 AM	#88
Sir Lurksalot All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,044	There are definitely some interesting statistics with what you have done so far. Some of the guys I expected to see with high power numbers are virtually nonexistant and some guys I have never heard of have monster numbers! I didn't see any 20 game winners, which I was also surprised in not seeing. The rosters look terrific, GForce. I am really looking forward to the finished product. Not surprisingly the Padres were pathetic.

11-06-2002, 12:11 PM	#91
GForce22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,654	Thanks a lot. I appreciate it! GH

11-06-2002, 01:11 PM	#92
GForce22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,654	I just did spreadsheets for the Yankees...DANG...they are going to be TOUGH to beat. GH

11-07-2002, 08:57 AM	#93
malthaussen Bat Boy Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Horsham, PA Posts: 6	My experience in all-time leagues has been that the A's usually end up winning the AL... because of all the great lefthanded pitchers they can throw at the damnyankees. So don't give up hope. Mal

11-08-2002, 02:20 PM	#96
GForce22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,654	try it again...I left off the l of html. GH

11-08-2002, 04:06 PM	#97
GForce22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,654	ya know, it's good that I go back in my roster threads periodically and look through them...there are two GREAT sites for the negro league data I was looking for buried in this thread from Big Train and CFrank. I was in such a rush getting this project done and if a post caught my eye or asked a question I would answer it and move on and would sometimes forget to go back and check other things people posted. That happened here. These bits of information will be a lot of help and are much appreciated. After I get the Yankees imported (hopefully tonight or tomorrow) I will be starting Negro League guys. I have been giving thought, however, to NOT doing the Senators as a Negro League team, but rather letting them be a team of the good, but not good enough, guys who were unclaimed by the other franchises (see Brett Butler, Lonnie Smith, etc.). What would be done instead is all Negro League players (as well as Japanese players) would be created for the purpose of the draft after the first season. This would let all of those guys start their careers from an age between 18-21, giving them FULL careers and leaving them open to be drafted by ALL teams. Someone mentioned making them free agents, but my fear there is that guys would prefer to go to some teams than others (who would choose to play for the Padres over the Yankees or Cardinals, given the strengths of those teams). I've kicked back and forth about this trying to come up with the best solution. There is no doubt the Negro Leaguers and Japanese Players will be included, I am just wondering if creating an all Negro League team is the best way to do it. I'd be picking and choosing who to put on the team and who to leave off. I'm still working on it. Just want to do it right. GH