TRTR : A word from Marc Duffy - Page 5

jm47048 · 05-02-2006, 12:05 AM

... The Road to Release.....

What a minute. That sounds a lot like THE ROAD TO COOPERSTOWN! NOW I GET IT!!!!!

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My chorus line....

rudel.dietrich · 05-02-2006, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattymo

I can tell by watching how good of a player they are.

No you can't

If you did then you would be on the road 250 days a years being paid by one of 30 different clubs.
And then you could only tell who was better a small % of the time.
I highly doubt you are one of the people I described above. I do not care how much baseball you have watched. You DO NOT have the ability to determine a players worth just by watching them except in the most extreme of cases.

So no...you don't have the magical ability to judge a players value by just watching him.
That is where statistics come into play. You take the players output and then compare it against another players output by using many different ways of interputting his output.
You then have the ability to a certain degree of success to tell if a player is better than another play.
VORP is just one of the tools. I am glad it is in the game. The more stats packed into the game, the better.

Eugene Church · 05-02-2006, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Marc Duffy

No, I'm not .. what I want to confirm to everyone (who probably realised already) is that this project is going to the wire.

PLEASE DON'T RELEASE IT MAY 31ST IF IT IS NOT READY.

And don't hastily put the finishing touches on it just to meet the deadline.

Haste makes waste.

I have waited patiently for two years...can wait a little longer for a fairly bug free game.

Just a comment on one of the game screens...might be the webcast screen.

Please don't put "faded" logos on the scoreboard on top of the information.

That is just cluttering it up.

It doesn't serve any purpose.

I dearly love logos...but don't do it that way.

Malleus Dei · 05-02-2006, 12:59 AM

You know, I always thought TRTR was the abbreviation of The Road To Ruin.

Eugene Church · 05-02-2006, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by purduerowdy

how can you be a baseball nut and not have heard of VORP? if you are a 'nut' then you should want to learn what it is. if you do, you will see its value in the game.

Sorry, I know baseball pretty well...have followed it and studied it since 1949...most would call me a baseball nut and I never have been interested in VORP and all similar acrostics.

If that what it takes to be a baseball nut, guess I am not a baseball nut, either.

All I want is BA, Runs, Hits, Errors, HRs, RBIs, ERA, SO, BB...you can have all the rest.

I do like OBA.

nestajones · 05-02-2006, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattymo

who needed VORP to know that Barry Bonds was easily the best hitter in baseball in 2001?

Who needed HR? Who needed RBI?

It's a number meant to encompass all the player's offensive contributions. Does it do that accurately? maybe, maybe not. It's another tool. If you don't want it, don't use it. Why would you refuse the option of a tool which could help? Unless you're fielding a team of 9 Barry Bondses, then I guess you won't need it. Congratulations on your acumen in putting together such a powerful team.

Eugene Church · 05-02-2006, 01:12 AM

This might have been a good thread...but it got VORPED.

attackemu · 05-02-2006, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Cras

The Angels were a laughing stock prior to their Championship. What was their highlight of the 90's? Signing Mo Vaughn? And the White Sox who were restricted to a $50 M payroll prior to last year. Winning the title changes everything and can really turn a team into a financial juggernaut if it has the right management. If it has bad management, you get the D-Backs and Marlins.

If bad management nets you two World Series in 11 years, sign me up for some bad management, please.

canadiancreed · 05-02-2006, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by attackemu

If bad management nets you two World Series in 11 years, sign me up for some bad management, please.

You can have Loria

OakDragon · 05-02-2006, 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eugene Church

This might have been a good thread...but it got VORPED.

Just goes to show that the VORPal pen is mightier than a vorpal sword.

Le Grande Orange · 05-02-2006, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Eugene Church

This might have been a good thread...but it got VORPED.

I thought the term was something Chekov might've said on Star Trek: "VORP factor three, Captain!"

OTBA Team · 05-02-2006, 02:44 AM

Back to the screenshots. I take it by the first screenshot that there is no new awards in OOTP? No Relief Pitcher of the Year or Manager of the Year? Or even Postseason MVP? That's a bit disappointing.

jarmenia · 05-02-2006, 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eugene Church

PLEASE DON'T RELEASE IT MAY 31ST IF IT IS NOT READY.

And don't hastily put the finishing touches on it just to meet the deadline.

Haste makes waste.

I have waited patiently for two years...can wait a little longer for a fairly bug free game.

Just a comment on one of the game screens...might be the webcast screen.

Please don't put "faded" logos on the scoreboard on top of the information.

That is just cluttering it up.

It doesn't serve any purpose.

I dearly love logos...but don't do it that way.

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Mattymo · 05-02-2006, 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

No you can't

If you did then you would be on the road 250 days a years being paid by one of 30 different clubs.
And then you could only tell who was better a small % of the time.
I highly doubt you are one of the people I described above. I do not care how much baseball you have watched. You DO NOT have the ability to determine a players worth just by watching them except in the most extreme of cases.

So no...you don't have the magical ability to judge a players value by just watching him.
That is where statistics come into play. You take the players output and then compare it against another players output by using many different ways of interputting his output.
You then have the ability to a certain degree of success to tell if a player is better than another play.
VORP is just one of the tools. I am glad it is in the game. The more stats packed into the game, the better.

Geeze why are people acting like I said stats don't matter? If you read my previous post, I explained my whole VORP deal. I had just never heard of it, and didn't like the fact that a simple question turned into a "how could you never have heard of VORP?" thing.

And yes, I can just watch a game and tell if a player is good or not. And, no, I'm not a scout. And I'm not saying that I could compare 4th outfielders on seperate teams, which someone mentioned earlier, and was something I never thought of. My thinking was, and still is, anyone could take the best players in the games, and take some average players, and see the difference.

And in my previous post I also said that I will more than likely end up using VORP, now that I know what it is, so let's drop it.

Malleus Dei · 05-02-2006, 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eugene Church

Sorry, I know baseball pretty well...have followed it and studied it since 1949...most would call me a baseball nut and I never have been interested in VORP and all similar acrostics.

If that what it takes to be a baseball nut, guess I am not a baseball nut, either.

All I want is BA, Runs, Hits, Errors, HRs, RBIs, ERA, SO, BB...you can have all the rest.

I do like OBA.

Eugene, I hate to say this, but this is going to be OOTP 2006, so it does need to have 21st Century stats available in it. On the other hand, you don't have to look at them.

RBLwebguy · 05-02-2006, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Malleus Dei

Eugene, I hate to say this, but this is going to be OOTP 2006, so it does need to have 21st Century stats available in it. On the other hand, you don't have to look at them.

The stats are in there, I think he was just stating a preference.

Gorilla Shakespeare · 05-02-2006, 08:21 AM

I remember reading somewhere that we could customize the stats we see on certain screens. IMO that would be really, really cool. I would love to not be able to see earned runs or ERA until 1906 or so or caught stealings until the 20s. VORP is cool and all but I probably wouldn't include it on my own until the mid-90s at least. It's all about the proverbial fog of war to me.

canadiancreed · 05-02-2006, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Gorilla Shakespeare

I remember reading somewhere that we could customize the stats we see on certain screens. IMO that would be really, really cool. I would love to not be able to see earned runs or ERA until 1906 or so or caught stealings until the 20s. VORP is cool and all but I probably wouldn't include it on my own until the mid-90s at least. It's all about the proverbial fog of war to me.

now that would be an awesome idea that I'd endorse

CBL-Commish · 05-02-2006, 08:43 AM

[hijack]

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Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

blah blah... not really quoting this post for any reason other than FJ wrote it

Bayern München? When did you change your avatar to something so vile? How could you? Real men root for 2nd Bundesliga teams!

Work for the Nats, root for Bayern... geez, you're becoming a member of the League of Evil!

[/hijack]

canadiancreed · 05-02-2006, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by CBL-Commish

[hijack]

Bayern München? When did you change your avatar to something so vile? How could you? Real men root for 2nd Bundesliga teams!

Work for the Nats, root for Bayern... geez, you're becoming a member of the League of Evil!

[/hijack]

with the Nats job I just figured he just worked for folks that had no baseball sense

05-02-2006, 12:05 AM	#81
jm47048 All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,247	... The Road to Release..... What a minute. That sounds a lot like THE ROAD TO COOPERSTOWN! NOW I GET IT!!!!! ^ \| \| \| My chorus line....

05-02-2006, 01:12 AM	#87
Eugene Church Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 36,321	This might have been a good thread...but it got VORPED.

05-02-2006, 02:44 AM	#92
OTBA Team Guest Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 170	Back to the screenshots. I take it by the first screenshot that there is no new awards in OOTP? No Relief Pitcher of the Year or Manager of the Year? Or even Postseason MVP? That's a bit disappointing.

05-02-2006, 08:21 AM	#97
Gorilla Shakespeare Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 405	I remember reading somewhere that we could customize the stats we see on certain screens. IMO that would be really, really cool. I would love to not be able to see earned runs or ERA until 1906 or so or caught stealings until the 20s. VORP is cool and all but I probably wouldn't include it on my own until the mid-90s at least. It's all about the proverbial fog of war to me.