Atlanta Braves 2006 run for 15 straight - Page 5

darkhorse · 05-01-2006, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jmaness84

Francouer is young. They should send him down to the minors and work on being patient.

Braves would have to be patient as well, as Francoeur has only 88 walks in 1413 minor league at bats. Might be awhile.

jmaness84 · 05-02-2006, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by darkhorse

Braves would have to be patient as well, as Francoeur has only 88 walks in 1413 minor league at bats. Might be awhile.

He doesn't have to be Barry Bonds. If he could just walk 50 times a year. I know that's asking a lot since he is on pace for 0 walks this year.

rudel.dietrich · 05-02-2006, 03:09 PM

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Francouer is young. They should send him down to the minors and work on being patient. Laroche on the other hand never really put up good numbers in the minors. Braves need to try to make a deal for Pittsburgh's Craig Wilson.

Jeff has had years to work on his walk rate. He has shown NO improvement in it what so ever.
And as I said before he does not have the contact skills to make up for it.

He could someday turn into a constant 30 HR threat but I never see his .OBP being consistently over .310

For a corner OF the power is nice but nothing super special and the lack of OBP makes his offensive production next to worthless.

Of all the Braves call ups last season, I predict Jeff to have the worst career of the bunch assumimg all play about the same number of games.

Langerhans to me looks like he could become a good league average corner OF or even a CF.

Then there is Kelly Johnson who looks like he will turn out to be the best of the bunch. Just need to get and stay healthy and then get significant playing time.

Gastric ReFlux · 05-02-2006, 04:12 PM

Here's an interesting post about Jeff Francouer from Sabernomics.

http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomi...eff-francoeur/

GForce · 05-07-2006, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JManess84 in the Mets thread

As a Braves fan i'm throwing in the towel. Even though they are winning 13-2 right now. I'm sure they will put Reitsma in and they will lose in 15. This team is awful. Shuerholz needs to get off his ass and go get not 1 but 2 good relievers and another outfielder. Cox needs to get smart and bench Francouer. I don't care if he's hit 2 homeruns in the past 2 games! Cox needs to stop putting in relievers that can't get anybody out in the game when there are runners on and the Braves are up only by 1. End result... reliever gives up 4 runs and the Braves are down by 3. Even though Remlinger is a left hander he cannot get a left hander out. I know this and Bobby Cox should know this. When Remlinger was in his prime in Atlanta he could not get lefties out. Why the **** does Cox think he can get lefties out now that he is 4 years older with less velocity then he had 3 years ago? I'm tired of wasting my time watching this ****. Reitsma is not a closer, he is a mopup reliever! Him and the other 7 members of the Braves pen. They should have spent some money and got Flash Gordon this offseason. They have to have some money laying around. They are not paying all of Hampton's salary and Jones restructured his contract so they could sign Furcal. Since they did not resign Furcal and they are not paying Renteria's contract this year I want to know where is the money? Shuerholz needs to do something quick! Im not watching another Braves game until they do something about this damn team.

Thought those of you here in the Braves thread would get a good laugh out of this.

GH

FrancoeurFranks7 · 05-07-2006, 07:35 PM

HaHa, this guy definitely isn't a Braves fan, he doesn't know how to spell any of the names.

jmaness84 · 05-07-2006, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by GForce

Thought those of you here in the Braves thread would get a good laugh out of this.

GH

It's over. I feel like Randy Quaid in Major League 2.

jmaness84 · 05-07-2006, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by FrancoeurFranks7

HaHa, this guy definitely isn't a Braves fan, he doesn't know how to spell any of the names.

OK. I've watched just about every Braves game since 91. Probably before you were born. You on the other hand must not be a baseball fan period. Your name says it all, FrancoeurFranks. Did any of you guys think his commercial with Delta was kind of weird? He has only had one good month and a half in the majors. Francoeur's OPS is the 10th lowest in Major League baseball right now. That guy should be in the minors not making endorsement deals. If anybody should be doing any endorsements it is Brian Mccann.

rudel.dietrich · 05-07-2006, 09:07 PM

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rudel.dietrich · 05-07-2006, 09:08 PM

I am not so much worried by the Braves losing as I am by the Mets winning.

The Braves as far back as I can recall have started off slow. They will pick it up that much I am certain.
What worries me is that with the way the Mets are winning by the time they do pick it up and the Mets falter (and they will they will not continue their winning %) it will be far too late to chase them down.

We saw it last year with the White Sox, they started out strong while the Indians faltered out of the gate.
In August and September the Sox faltered and the Indians while they were hot were not able to make up the gap.

The Braves need to get in gear ASAP and hope the Mets hit some long losing streaks.
They need to keep it at least 6 games or under heading into the final two months.
Any more than that and they have have a tough time chasing them down.

jmaness84 · 05-07-2006, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

I am not so much worried by the Braves losing as I am by the Mets winning.

The Braves as far back as I can recall have started off slow. They will pick it up that much I am certain.
What worries me is that with the way the Mets are winning by the time they do pick it up and the Mets falter (and they will they will not continue their winning %) it will be far too late to chase them down.

We saw it last year with the White Sox, they started out strong while the Indians faltered out of the gate.
In August and September the Sox faltered and the Indians while they were hot were not able to make up the gap.

The Braves need to get in gear ASAP and hope the Mets hit some long losing streaks.
They need to keep it at least 6 games or under heading into the final two months.
Any more than that and they have have a tough time chasing them down.

The Braves lost 2 out of 3 to the Mets but the Mets did sustain a season ending injury to their 4th starter. This might sound kind of sick, but if someone would have told me Friday that I could choose one of the two outcomes: Mets taking the series 2 out of 3 and their 4th starter going down for the year or the Braves sweeping the series. I would have picked the Mets taking 2/3 and losing their 4th starter. This injury should hurt the Mets. They have Pedro and Glavine, but after that you have Trachsel (I'll give him credit he is a little above average pitcher) and then 2 below average pitchers. I'm not too sure about Bannister though. I looked up his minor league stats and they were pretty good. We will see how good he really is in the upcoming months.

FrancoeurFranks7 · 05-07-2006, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jmaness84

OK. I've watched just about every Braves game since 91. Probably before you were born. You on the other hand must not be a baseball fan period. Your name says it all, FrancoeurFranks. Did any of you guys think his commercial with Delta was kind of weird? He has only had one good month and a half in the majors. Francoeur's OPS is the 10th lowest in Major League baseball right now. That guy should be in the minors not making endorsement deals. If anybody should be doing any endorsements it is Brian Mccann.

Well, not true at all, he helped carry the team into the playoffs last season. And saying I'm not a true baseball fan might be the dumbest statement ever, but I don't really care what you think. If you are giving up on the Braves on May 7th, I think it's pretty easy to tell who the real fans are.

jmaness84 · 05-07-2006, 10:11 PM

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Well, not true at all, he helped carry the team into the playoffs last season. And saying I'm not a true baseball fan might be the dumbest statement ever, but I don't really care what you think. If you are giving up on the Braves on May 7th, I think it's pretty easy to tell who the real fans are.

I'm still a fan of the Braves. I'm tired of them losing games for stupid reasons. Bullpen sucked last year. Shuerholz got Cormier and Villarreal, we lost Farnsworth. That's not going to cut it. Rietsma is not a closer. They have lost so many games over the past year and a month that they shouldn't have. The Braves cannot win with this bullpen. Cox is now starting to blow games. The other night he put Remlinger in against 2 lefties in the 8th. We all know Remlinger has trouble against them. He has Chuck James in the pen and he doesn't even use him. Lefties were hitting .091 against him. It's not a fluke either because James has posted ERAs in the low 2s for his entire proffessional career. It's bad enough he isn't in the rotation, Cox doesn't even want to pitch him. For Francouer he could be the most overrated player in baseball. He has talent, but he swings at everything. If you are a baseball fan then you should know this saying... You can't win the division in April, but you can lose it. You can say the same thing for May.

FrancoeurFranks7 · 05-07-2006, 10:16 PM

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I'm still a fan of the Braves. I'm tired of them losing games for stupid reasons. Bullpen sucked last year. Shuerholz got Cormier and Villarreal, we lost Farnsworth. That's not going to cut it. Rietsma is not a closer. They have lost so many games over the past year and a month that they shouldn't have. The Braves cannot win with this bullpen. Cox is now starting to blow games. The other night he put Remlinger in against 2 lefties in the 8th. We all know Remlinger has trouble against them. He has Chuck James in the pen and he doesn't even use him. Lefties were hitting .091 against him. It's not a fluke either because James has posted ERAs in the low 2s for his entire proffessional career. It's bad enough he isn't in the rotation, Cox doesn't even want to pitch him. For Francouer he could be the most overrated player in baseball. He has talent, but he swings at everything.

Chuck James has been hurt and went on the DL. And I agree, they should have done more to improve the pen. As for Francoeur, he is still young, he probably could use a trip to the minors to improve his disipline, but the Braves don't have the resources to do that right now. Also, if your a braves fan how come your avatar has a Braves logo with a red X through it?

jmaness84 · 05-07-2006, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by FrancoeurFranks7

Chuck James has been hurt and went on the DL. And I agree, they should have done more to improve the pen. As for Francoeur, he is still young, he probably could use a trip to the minors to improve his disipline, but the Braves don't have the resources to do that right now.

James just got hurt. I was talking about a game a week ago. We would be better off with Diaz in the outfield right now. I can only pray that when Kelly Johnson gets off the DL he will be put on the 25 man active roster and that he starts in LF and they move Langerhans to RF.

spark240 · 05-07-2006, 11:46 PM

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...I hate Reitsma as a closer. I wouldnt mind if he pitched the 6th or 7th inning, but not the 9th.

Why would you want him pitching more important innings? Safer to limit him to the 9th, without inherited runners.

spark240 · 05-07-2006, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jmaness84

...You on the other hand must not be a baseball fan period. Your name says it all, FrancoeurFranks. Did any of you guys think his commercial with Delta was kind of weird? He has only had one good month and a half in the majors. Francoeur's OPS is the 10th lowest in Major League baseball right now. That guy should be in the minors not making endorsement deals...

You know, maybe some people don't pick the players they like based on OPS. Both I and my 12-year-old daughter know what France's statistical weaknesses are, and we both think he's fun to watch, too.

jmaness84 · 05-08-2006, 12:16 AM

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You know, maybe some people don't pick the players they like based on OPS. Both I and my 12-year-old daughter know what France's statistical weaknesses are, and we both think he's fun to watch, too.

<---That bananna is fun to watch too, but I don't want it batting 6th in my lineup. I do like the fact that Francouer hustles and is an outstanding defensive player. He's just hurting the team right now. The team is better off with Diaz or even Brian Jordan in the outfield instead of him. Yes, I did say Brian Jordan.

jmaness84 · 05-08-2006, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by FrancoeurFranks7

Chuck James has been hurt and went on the DL. And I agree, they should have done more to improve the pen. As for Francoeur, he is still young, he probably could use a trip to the minors to improve his disipline, but the Braves don't have the resources to do that right now. Also, if your a braves fan how come your avatar has a Braves logo with a red X through it?

I put a Red X there because I am not going to waste 3 hours a night to watch them lose games that they should win. It seems like Cox isn't putting his best players on the field and it seems like Shuerholz is content with the bullpen the way it is. The pen was horrible last year with Farnsworth. It's no surprise that they are horrible this year. Shuerholz did nothing to help the pen. Villarreal and Comier could be very good but they need a proven stopper in the pen. When you have Chris Reitsma as your closer and Ken Ray and Mike Remlinger (06 Remlinger not 02 Remlinger) as your setup men you have some big problems.

GForce · 05-08-2006, 12:30 AM

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<---That bananna is fun to watch too, but I don't want it batting 6th in my lineup. I do like the fact that Francouer hustles and is an outstanding defensive player.

He is? He's looked TERRIBLE defensively against the Mets on several occasions.

According to Baseball Prospectus' defensive rate measurement, he's been well below average defensively this season.

GH

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05-02-2006, 04:12 PM	#84
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	Here's an interesting post about Jeff Francouer from Sabernomics. http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomi...eff-francoeur/

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rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	I am not so much worried by the Braves losing as I am by the Mets winning. The Braves as far back as I can recall have started off slow. They will pick it up that much I am certain. What worries me is that with the way the Mets are winning by the time they do pick it up and the Mets falter (and they will they will not continue their winning %) it will be far too late to chase them down. We saw it last year with the White Sox, they started out strong while the Indians faltered out of the gate. In August and September the Sox faltered and the Indians while they were hot were not able to make up the gap. The Braves need to get in gear ASAP and hope the Mets hit some long losing streaks. They need to keep it at least 6 games or under heading into the final two months. Any more than that and they have have a tough time chasing them down.