Detroit Tigers 2013 Season - Page 47

RandyTiger · 10-10-2013, 04:04 PM

Detroit-Oakland ALDS game 5 lineups:

Oakland:

CF Crisp
3B Donaldson
SS Lowrie
LF Cespedes
DH Smith
1B Moss
2B Callaspo
RF Reddick
C Vogt

Detroit:

CF Jackson
RF Hunter
3B Cabrera
1B Fielder
DH Martinez
SS Peralta
C Avila
2B Infante
LF Kelly

RandyTiger · 10-10-2013, 04:48 PM

Not surprised they put Peralta at SS instead of Iglesias - they need the offense badly, and Iglesias just isn't producing in the post-season.

I do wish they hadn't put Jackson at lead-off - the guy is a strikeout magnet.

CONN CHRIS · 10-10-2013, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RandyTiger

Not surprised they put Peralta at SS instead of Iglesias - they need the offense badly, and Iglesias just isn't producing in the post-season.

I do wish they hadn't put Jackson at lead-off - the guy is a strikeout magnet.

Agreed on Jackson. Not sold on Peralta at SS. I don't see a donkelly for Inglesias as a big enough trade up the offensive ladder to compensate for the defensive downgrade.

CONN CHRIS · 10-10-2013, 04:55 PM

The Tigers will be bailing on Inglesias within a year or so and will find another decent hitting dude with a a pair of stones at the end of his arms.

My Tigers pessimism runs deep.

David Watts · 10-10-2013, 04:56 PM

So it's already starting. I'm sorry, but unless Iglesius is hurt, he plays. And if were talking about producing...Don Kelly wouldn't be playing. Wow! Sometimes I really dislike how this team is run.

RandyTiger · 10-10-2013, 04:59 PM

Agreed on Kelly. Gray is a righty, so why isn't Dirks starting? Look at their regular-season numbers against righties:

Kelly: .220 average, .674 OPS, 6 HR, 18 RBI.
Dirks: .260 average, .698 OPS, 7 HR, 33 RBI.

Fielding (LF):

Kelly: -0.7 DWAR (Defensive WAR), 19.591 ZR (Zone rating)
Dirks: 0.5 DWAR, 11.232 ZR.

I don't get it.
What in the world is Leyland thinking here?

David Watts · 10-10-2013, 05:05 PM

I guess they figure Cabrera will make up for all the ground Iglesius covers that Peralta can't...oh wait.

DamPenguin · 10-10-2013, 05:08 PM

Yeah really don't understand sitting Iglesias for donkelly... well if we're going to win there's no other choice but to do it with Leyland making the decisions.

Green & Gold Heart · 10-10-2013, 05:09 PM

This could give you some insight on the defensive positioning: https://twitter.com/matthewbmowery/s...06195905503232

David Watts · 10-10-2013, 05:11 PM

I wonder if Iglesius is hurt. If so, I take back what I'm thinking right now.

RandyTiger · 10-10-2013, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Green & Gold Heart

This could give you some insight on the defensive positioning: https://twitter.com/matthewbmowery/s...06195905503232

Now that is interesting, but there's no guarantees that won't change for this game, but then again, Verlander isn't really a ground-ball guy, is he?

*checks*

This year, he has a 0.67 ground ball to fly ball ratio.
Career, he has 0.71 ratio.

I guess that makes some sense.

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Watts

I wonder if Iglesius is hurt. If so, I take back what I'm thinking right now.

Iglesias has shin-splint issues, plus he hasn't really recovered from that left wrist injury (from back when he got nailed by a pitch last month).

RandyTiger · 10-10-2013, 08:20 PM

And predictably, Jackson strikes out to lead off the game.

He really needs to see an eye doctor in the off-season.

DamPenguin · 10-10-2013, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RandyTiger

And predictably, Jackson strikes out to lead off the game.

He really needs to see an eye doctor in the off-season.

He started the season really well but his plate discipline has steadily declined since the last couple months of the season.

RandyTiger · 10-10-2013, 08:36 PM

I really don't understand why he's having these issues. He got rid of the leg kick that's caused him so much trouble in the past, and now, it's like his depth perception or something similar has gone wonky.

Or maybe he's just one of those guys who can't seem to keep their focus on the ball when it comes their way. In that case, move him to the 9 slot and keep him there.

DamPenguin · 10-10-2013, 08:45 PM

Another vintage hit and run with Fielder on 1st?????? I just don't get it.

CONN CHRIS · 10-10-2013, 08:55 PM

Verlander seems to have the A game thus far.

IF they get past Oakland, Infante needs to lead off and Inglesias has to be at short - period, full stop. Of course, the brain trust will disagree.

RandyTiger · 10-10-2013, 08:58 PM

Verlander has been terrific, 3 K's already in 2 innings. As long as he keeps that up, the Cats have a chance.

RandyTiger · 10-10-2013, 09:18 PM

2-run jack by Miggy!

*scraps jaw off floor*

CONN CHRIS · 10-10-2013, 09:19 PM

Green & Gold Heart · 10-10-2013, 09:20 PM

As I said the other day, congrats. We're ****ed. I knew it when we let Game 4 get away.

10-10-2013, 04:04 PM	#921
RandyTiger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,510	Detroit-Oakland ALDS game 5 lineups: Oakland: CF Crisp 3B Donaldson SS Lowrie LF Cespedes DH Smith 1B Moss 2B Callaspo RF Reddick C Vogt Detroit: CF Jackson RF Hunter 3B Cabrera 1B Fielder DH Martinez SS Peralta C Avila 2B Infante LF Kelly Last edited by RandyTiger; 10-10-2013 at 04:46 PM.

10-10-2013, 04:55 PM	#924
CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 29,107	The Tigers will be bailing on Inglesias within a year or so and will find another decent hitting dude with a a pair of stones at the end of his arms. My Tigers pessimism runs deep. __________________ Check Out My Cards!

10-10-2013, 04:59 PM	#926
RandyTiger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,510	Agreed on Kelly. Gray is a righty, so why isn't Dirks starting? Look at their regular-season numbers against righties: Kelly: .220 average, .674 OPS, 6 HR, 18 RBI. Dirks: .260 average, .698 OPS, 7 HR, 33 RBI. Fielding (LF): Kelly: -0.7 DWAR (Defensive WAR), 19.591 ZR (Zone rating) Dirks: 0.5 DWAR, 11.232 ZR. I don't get it. What in the world is Leyland thinking here? Last edited by RandyTiger; 10-10-2013 at 05:01 PM.

10-10-2013, 08:55 PM	#936
CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 29,107	Verlander seems to have the A game thus far. IF they get past Oakland, Infante needs to lead off and Inglesias has to be at short - period, full stop. Of course, the brain trust will disagree. __________________ Check Out My Cards!

10-10-2013, 09:19 PM	#939
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10-10-2013, 04:48 PM	#922
RandyTiger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,510	Not surprised they put Peralta at SS instead of Iglesias - they need the offense badly, and Iglesias just isn't producing in the post-season. I do wish they hadn't put Jackson at lead-off - the guy is a strikeout magnet.

10-10-2013, 04:56 PM	#925
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 10,162 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	So it's already starting. I'm sorry, but unless Iglesius is hurt, he plays. And if were talking about producing...Don Kelly wouldn't be playing. Wow! Sometimes I really dislike how this team is run.

10-10-2013, 05:05 PM	#927
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 10,162 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	I guess they figure Cabrera will make up for all the ground Iglesius covers that Peralta can't...oh wait.

10-10-2013, 05:08 PM	#928
DamPenguin All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 618	Yeah really don't understand sitting Iglesias for donkelly... well if we're going to win there's no other choice but to do it with Leyland making the decisions.

10-10-2013, 05:09 PM	#929
Green & Gold Heart Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 5,242	This could give you some insight on the defensive positioning: https://twitter.com/matthewbmowery/s...06195905503232

10-10-2013, 05:11 PM	#930
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 10,162 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	I wonder if Iglesius is hurt. If so, I take back what I'm thinking right now.

10-10-2013, 08:20 PM	#932
RandyTiger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,510	And predictably, Jackson strikes out to lead off the game. He really needs to see an eye doctor in the off-season.

10-10-2013, 08:36 PM	#934
RandyTiger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,510	I really don't understand why he's having these issues. He got rid of the leg kick that's caused him so much trouble in the past, and now, it's like his depth perception or something similar has gone wonky. Or maybe he's just one of those guys who can't seem to keep their focus on the ball when it comes their way. In that case, move him to the 9 slot and keep him there.

10-10-2013, 08:45 PM	#935
DamPenguin All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 618	Another vintage hit and run with Fielder on 1st?????? I just don't get it.

10-10-2013, 08:58 PM	#937
RandyTiger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,510	Verlander has been terrific, 3 K's already in 2 innings. As long as he keeps that up, the Cats have a chance.

10-10-2013, 09:18 PM	#938
RandyTiger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,510	2-run jack by Miggy! scraps jaw off floor

10-10-2013, 09:20 PM	#940
Green & Gold Heart Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 5,242	As I said the other day, congrats. We're ****ed. I knew it when we let Game 4 get away.