Louisville Boxing Association

[mh2365]

42 out of 148 fighters selected to fight this month in the main division got to fight TC's. They went 37-2-3.
The losses were suffered by

MW - Paddy Purtell (10-15) post-prime
FW - Brooklyn Tommy Sullivan (12-14-4) post-prime

[CONN CHRIS]

Originally Posted by mh2365

Note #2 ... I misplaced Bob McAllister in the 3rd spot of a fight card ... for Chris from now on he will be treated like Herrera is for Javier, so he will always be the main bout on the card and will always have a write up. The only exception is if he is to fight a TC.

It pays to tune in (I hope you'll continue to keep my ticket price the same.)

I am really interested to see how his career balances out as he fights some guys that he actually met in the ring.

Edit: That may be a bit tough to judge as I think about it. He was a tweener and fought a good many heavies with decent success and seemed to be a bit out of his element with LHW (or even big MW) - might have been a quickness issue. Still will be fun to watch.

Thanks Mike.

[javier_83]

we pay this system so we can get news from out fighter :P

[mh2365]

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

It pays to tune in (I hope you'll continue to keep my ticket price the same.)

I am really interested to see how his career balances out as he fights some guys that he actually met in the ring.

Edit: That may be a bit tough to judge as I think about it. He was a tweener and fought a good many heavies with decent success and seemed to be a bit out of his element with LHW (or even big MW) - might have been a quickness issue. Still will be fun to watch.

Thanks Mike.

He has a tough match coming up ... Bob is still pre-prime and he's taking on Joe Butler this month. I see his first loss coming here.

[mh2365]

The race is on for the next division to have an IBF Champion. It takes 50 fighters to be ranked in the main division for and IBF title to be made.

It's a race between the Lightweights and the Featherweights on who is next. The LW's currently have 40 fighters ranked and 24 unranked Pre's in the main division. The FW's have 35 fighters ranked and 23 unranked Pre's in the main division.

I think I will have an 8 fighter box-off for the new title once a division qualifies. It'll have to be spread out over a few months but I think it'll be interesting.

Also the HW's have 70 fighters ranked. I'm thinking once it gets to 80 I'll institute the WBO championship. I'm going to make a poll on that one when the time comes but right now I'm thinking it'll only be for fighters with under 25 fights to make it a lesser title but I'm not sure yet.

[mh2365]

Not much to speak of here this month, only two fights

MW - (WBC) Charles McCoy (24-8-3) vs. Joe Thomas (C11) (13-3-3) first meeting

FW - (WBA) Jem Driscoll (32-5-1) vs Young Corbett (10) (19-14-4) (Driscoll has beaten Corbett 3 times most recently by way of UD15 in December of 1907)

[javier_83]

Originally Posted by mh2365

Not much to speak of here this month, only two fights

MW - (WBC) Charles McCoy (24-8-3) vs. Joe Thomas (C11) (13-3-3) first meeting

FW - (WBA) Jem Driscoll (32-5-1) vs Young Corbett (10) (19-14-4) (Driscoll has beaten Corbett 3 times most recently by way of UD15 in December of 1907)

Both champions must win those are easy fighters

[mh2365]

Originally Posted by javier_83

Both champions must win those are easy fighters

Yeah I agree ... much better non-title fights this month.

[Tosti]

Mike have you ever fought Joe Choynski as a Heavy in your universe. If so could you tell me what you adjusted him by.
Cheers
Tom

[mh2365]

The database has him as a 5 for HW but I didn't use that. When I move fighters up in weight class I use Gunsmoke's weight class movement chart which can be found at cornerwork. The only thing I do different is I give each of the possible areas that could be adjusted a 50/50 chance of being adjusted.

So when Choynski moved up instead of cfb/s -1, kd -1, and hp -1. I rolled for each one and only his cfb and hp went down 1. It dropped his rating from 10 to 9. In my uni he spent 1 year at HW going 4-0 and then was one of the random retirees. He has a shot at coming back the next two years and I'm not sure where he will go. But also with the new aging system comebacks are always going to be at post-prime so I doubt he'll do very well.

[mh2365]

57 out of the 99 fighters selected in the club division to fight this month got to fight TC's. They went 50-4-3 against them.

[mh2365]

I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the WBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization.

November 1, 1909

HW - Jack Johnson (1/1) (35-2) TKO10 George Perry (57/33) (8-5-4)(perry took a loss that cost him -1510 points off the last five, this loss only cost him -30)
LHW - Jack O'Brien (1/1) (24-4-1) TKO9 George Byers (5/5) (12-7-1)
LW - Harry Lyons (16/5) (29-14-1) UD10 George McFadden (34/36) (10-10-2)
LW - Sam Bolen (20/20) (11-11-1) UD10 George Siddons (UR) (8-6) (siddons at pre)
LW - Joe Ellingsworth (UR) (10-2) UD10 Dick Hyland (UR) (8-3) (both at pre)
HW - Al Kauffman (club) (10-12) TKO8 Victor McLaglen (UR) (6-3) (Mclaglen at pre in this club fight, Kauffman stepped up from LHW)


Bad night to be named George

[mh2365]

I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the WBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization.


November 4, 1909

HW - Larry Foley (4/4) (24-7-2) KO3 Peter Maher (62/68) (16-17-1) (maher at post)
MW - Jeff Clarke (UR) (10-1) TKO6 Rube Ferns (16/12) (25-13) (Clarke at pre)
LW - Arthur Douglas (UR/30) (11-4) MTD5 Johnny Summers (UR) (8-4) (both at pre)
LW - Frank Erne (31/22) (15-5-2) TKO8 Tom Dunn (UR) (8-3) (Dunn at pre)
WW - Jimmy Conley (UR) (7-3) TKO5 Battling Hurley (UR) (6-1-1) (both at pre for this club fight)
FW - Joe Bernstein (club/11) (13-13-4) MD8 Joe Tipman (UR) (7-5-1) (Bernstein at post, Tipman at pre for this club fight. Bernstein moved back to main with the win)

[mh2365]

I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the WBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization.


November 7, 1909

Charles McCoy (ch) (25-8-3) barely showed up tonight but it was just enough to get by with a TKO14 over game Joe Thomas (11/15) (13-4-3). It was McCoy's first defense of his WBC Middleweight title. It was also his 4th win in a row and his 10th out of his last 11.

McCoy came in "overtrained" and looked lethargic throughout the fight. He wasn't throwing many punches and when he did they were slow. He came out of the gate okay but once Thomas was still standing after 2, McCoy kinda coasted.

McCoy got dropped in the 5th and that didn't even wake him up. McCoy finally put together a good round in the 12th which caused Thomas's right eye to swell, but then let Thomas win the 13th.

With the score 124-124 on my card going into the 14th, McCoy finally decided he had enough and dropped Thomas. Then he finished him off on the ropes.

The official judges had it 124-124/124-124/123-124 at the time of the stoppage

On the undercard

MW - Dan Creedon (17/17) (23-12-1) SD10 Joe Walcott (9/17) (20-13-3) (walcott stepped up to MW for this loss)
LW - Ad Wolgast (26/31) (12-8) UD10 Kid Black (UR) (6-7-1) (Black at pre)
FW - Frank Robson (UR) (9-1-4) UD10 Harry Decker (UR/17) (10-4-1) (both at pre)
HW - Ed Martin (46/36) (19-15) TKO9 Herbert Slade (22/34) (16-17-2) (both fighters down, both cut .. good fight)
LH - Charley Stevenson (club) (9-10) UD10 Harry Baker (club) (7-12-2) (both still at prime for this club fight)

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I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the WBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization.

November 9, 1909

LW - Jack Blackburn (17/3) (23-11-4) TKO0 Patsy Sweeney (8/20) (11-11-2)
BW - Dave Sullivan (UR/8) (12-2-1) TKO8 Young Johnson (UR) (6-7-1) (both at pre)
BW - Billy Plimmer (8/5) (21-12-6) UD10 Ike Weir (18/21) (7-11-1)
LH - Jim Dunn (UR/9) (9-5-1) DRAW10 Alec Greggains (UR) (9-3-1) (both at pre)
LH - John Donaldson (7/6) (15-10) UD10 Howard Morrow (UR) (8-3) (morrow at pre)
MW - Johnny McGlade (club) (15-21-3) MD10 Dick Sandall (club) (8-24-2) (mcglade at end, sandall at post)

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I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the WBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization.

FW - Sammy Kelly (29/19) (10-8-1) SD10 Benny Soloman (5/12) (13-3-2)
BW - Harry Tenney (15/15) (13-5-2) UD10 Tommy Kelly (24/24) (15-18-2) (kelly at post)
HW - Dominic McCaffrey (11/6) (27-9-3) UD10 John Heenan (5/10) (22-8-1)
MW - Jerry Jerome (UR/12) (13-2) MD10 Jack Williams (31/30) (13-6-2) (jerome at pre)
MW - Mike Gibbons (UR) (7-0) UD8 Billy Manning (UR) (7-3) (both at pre in this club fight)
FW - Billy Murphy (club) (14-22) SD10 Ole Oleson (club) (10-12-2) (murphy at post in this club fight)

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I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the WBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization.


November 15, 1909

HW - James Jeffries (45/31) (33-10) TKO7 Charley Mitchell (15/12) (27-10) (mitchell down 6 times as Jeffries stops a 4 fight losing streak)
HW -Tom Sharkey (6/5) (27-13) KO3 Tony Ross (66/63) (6-10-3)
FW - Cal McCarthy (11/4) (13-3) TKO7 Jack Pearson (19/23) (7-9-1) (both at pre)
HW - Bill Lang (10/9) (17-6) SD10 Jem Mace (14/25) (16-11-2) (Lang continues to fight over his head)
HW - Bob Armstrong (41/16) (24-11-4) TKO7 Bill Farnam (27/48) (15-16-1)
LW - Jimmy Duffy (UR) (9-0-1) UD8 Ed Jessop (5-4-3) (both at pre in this club fight)

[mh2365]

I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the WBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization.

November 17, 1909

Bob McAllister (UR) (10-1) came out strong but evitentually lost a UD10 to Joe Butler (2/2) (30-7-2) as Butler was too much for him down the stretch.

McAllister jumped all over Butler in the first, knocking down the veteran and then hitting him with everything in his arsenal. Unfortunately, Butler survived the round and McAllister seemed to have worn himself out. His stamina was gone by the 5th.

Butler took advantage of his experience after the first and controlled the rest of the fight. McAllister went down in the 3rd and the 10th but managed to make it to the final bell.

I had it 97-90. Jen Oehlerking, ringside expert, had it 96-91. The official judges scored it 97-90/98-89/96-91.

On the undercard

LW - George Lavigne (3/4) (27-12-1) TKO10 Jack Daly (36/34) (10-7-1)
BW - Al Delmont (2/2) (18-8-2) UD10 Elias Hamilton (UR) (8-5) (hamilton at pre)
LW - Jack Everhardt (10/9) (13-4-2) UD10 Young Donahue (21/31) (9-5-2) (both fighters at pre)
HW - Nick Burley (37/37) (16-9) KO1 Mervine Thompson (47/59) (14-17-2) (thompson at post)
FW - Kid Herman Landfield (club) (9-12-2) MD10 Kid Beebe (club) (2-13-1) (landfield at post, Beebe stepped up in weight for this club fight, fight was weight adjusted)

[CONN CHRIS]

Originally Posted by mh2365

Bob McAllister (UR) (10-1) came out strong but evitentually lost a UD10 to Joe Butler (2/2) (30-7-2) as Butler was too much for him down the stretch.

Wow, tough bout for Bob; just wait till he's in his prime! Here is his record per Boxrec for anyone following allong.

Bob McAllister

Country US American
Hometown San Francisco, CA
Division Middleweight
Born 1892-09-01
Height 184
Manager Al McAllister


Career Record © www.boxrec.com

Date Opponent Location Result
1919-03-07 Joe Welch San Francisco, CA, USA W PTS 4
1918-09-20 Marty Farrell Portland, OR, USA D PTS 4
1918-08-16 Mick King Seattle, WA, USA L TKO 8
1918-07-27 Mick King Seattle, WA, USA D PTS 10
1918-05-14 Bill Schuter Oakland, CA, USA W PTS 4
1917-09-26 Jack Dempsey Emeryville, CA, USA L PTS 4
1917-07-05 Clay Turner New York, NY, USA D NWS 10
1917-07-03 Joe Bonds New York, NY, USA W NWS 10
1917-05-29 Gunboat Smith New York, NY, USA D NWS 10
1917-05-26 Montana Dan Sullivan Brooklyn, NY, USA W KO 4
1917-05-09 Battling Levinsky Bronx, NY, USA W NWS 10
1917-04-21 Johnny Howard New York, NY, USA W NWS 10
1917-04-03 Mike McTigue New York, NY, USA NC ND 10
1917-02-17 Charles (Sailor) Grande New York, NY, USA W NWS 10
1917-01-27 Zulu Kid New York, NY, USA W NWS 10
1917-01-20 Rodney McDonald New York, NY, USA W NWS 10
1917-01-06 Bert Kenny New York, NY, USA W NWS 10
1916-11-14 Lowe Simms Portland, OR, USA W PTS 6
1916-09-04 Fighting Billy Murray Daly City, CA, USA W PTS 4
1916-06-23 Willie Meehan Daly City, CA, USA D PTS 4
1916-03-10 Sailor Schaefer San Francisco, CA, USA W PTS 4
1916-01-21 Fred Dyer San Francisco, CA, USA W PTS 4
1916-01-20 Sailor Ed Petroskey NC NC 20
1915-04-24 Tom McMahon Brooklyn, NY, USA W NWS 10
1915-03-30 Emmett Kid Wagner New York, NY, USA W NWS 10
1915-01-20 George Ashe Albany, NY, USA W NWS 10
1914-08-09 Young Hank Griffin W KO 3
1914-05-20 Tom McCarty Butte, MT, USA D PTS 12
1914-04-21 Charles (Sailor) Grande Oakland, CA, USA W PTS 10
1914-01-31 Eddie Nearing Bronx, NY, USA W NWS 10
1914-01-12 Mike Gibbons New York, NY, USA L KO 7
1914-01-05 Battling Levinsky New York, NY, USA W NWS 10
1913-12-10 Young Mike Donovan Bronx, NY, USA W NWS 10
1913-09-09 Sailor Ed Petroskey San Francisco, CA, USA D PTS 20
1913-08-08 Sailor Ed Petroskey San Francisco, CA, USA D PTS 20
1913-06-07 Charles (Sailor) Grande San Francisco, CA, USA W PTS 4
1913-04-25 Paddy Lavin San Francisco, CA, USA W PTS 4
1913-03-12 Willie Meehan Oakland, CA, USA W PTS 10
1913-02-02 Tad Derbyshire San Francisco, CA, USA W KO 2
1912-11-30 Bob Hawtry Los Angeles, CA, USA W KO 1
1912-11-20 Ray Landers Los Angeles, CA, USA W KO 2
1912-11-10 R Hawtry Los Angeles, CA, USA W KO 1
1912-11-01 Earl Miebus Los Angeles, CA, USA W PTS 3
1910-11-30 R Moyes Sacramento, CA, USA W PTS 3
1910-11-20 Joe Erickson Sacramento, CA, USA W PTS 4
1910-11-11 R Noone Sacramento, CA, USA W KO 2
1910-04-14 Joe Erickson Sacramento, CA, USA W PTS 4
1910-04-04 Nat Goldie Oakland, CA, USA W KO 1
1909-12-22 Manual Silva Oakland, CA, USA W PTS 3
1909-12-12 Eddie Burns Oakland, CA, USA W KO 2
1909-11-21 Manual Silva Oakland, CA, USA W PTS 3
1909-11-11 C Sanborn Oakland, CA, USA W PTS 3
1909-09-09 Winnie Wright Oakland, CA, USA W PTS 3
1909-07-07 Al Sage Oakland, CA, USA W KO 2
1909-06-16 Gus Anderson Oakland, CA, USA W PTS 3
1909-06-06 Jack Cali Oakland, CA, USA W KO 2

Record to Date
Won 43 (KOs 11) Lost 3 Drawn 8 Total 56

[mh2365]

Yeah it was a bad match up and I almost changed a bout for the first time but I got excited when he came out strong in the first, but it was too much too soon.