New HW Boxers Rated

[CONN CHRIS]

Ok, these are the last of the 40s Connecticut Heavyweights. As I mentioned earlier, the talent pool was only ankle deep. I may start on the 50s this weekend. The late 60s and early 70s were absolutely dead in CT, but there are more interesting and better CT heavyweights before and after that dry period then there were in the 40s.


JOE (Big Boy) CARILLI
Hometown - Hartford, Connecticut, USA

8(6)-9-1

Carilli broke even with an 8-7-1 record while swimming in the small pool of Hartford. His suspect chin was confirmed when he faced the marginaly more talented duo of Wallace Cross and Pat Comiskey who handed Joe two stoppage losses that sent him into retirement.

ALBERT ABELT
Hometown - Norwich, Connecticut, USA
0-2-0
Abelt lost a pair of six round decisions to local boxers including Tony Gillo in 1943 and 1944.

EDDIE ELM
Hometown - Hartford, Connecticut, USA
2(2)-0-0
Elm had two knockout wins against local Sam Shumway and one-timer Babe Bergeron. Eddie then decided to quit while he was ahead.

BUDDY ROCCO
Hometown - Hartford, Connecticut, USA
0-1-0
Rocco lost a four round decision to fellow Hartford native Levi Jackson in his lone pro bout.

WILLIE WARD
Hometown - Hartford, Connecticut, USA
2(1)-0-0
Ward won his only two bouts in August of 1941. The locations for his two fights (Manchester and Thompsonville) were both venues that have seen only a handfull of bouts staged throughout boxing history in the state.

[Tiger Fan]

Conn Chris. I like your idea of filling up the ranks with real life bottom rung fighters rather than fictional tomato cans. I will add some late 1940's and 50's Canadians over the next little while. To get started eere are a pair that may not be Canadian but did meet in Calgary in 1948.

Buddy Fisher (1-1-1) was 1-0-1 as a heavyweight with bouts against Buddy Madsen and New Jersey native Henry Harris in 1948. Fisher also had one fight 6 years earlier, losing to middleweight Eddie Finazzo by TKO. Nationality unknown. I set him as Canadian but since he fought twice on the US east coast I would guess he likely hails from that area.

Chip Madsen (0-0-1) Only career pro fight was a draw with Fisher.

[CONN CHRIS]

Great Tiger Fan! Looking forward to seeing, eh... talent that you and Cap can find North of the border.

Where do you live by the way, My brother married a girl from London. The whole family are Tiger fans, which pleased me to no end. Needless to say, I didn't object to the wedding. Her dad owns Hudson - the company that makes crew and skulling boats out of London (single up to 8 man)

[Tiger Fan]

I am about 45 minutes away from London

[IceTea]

Not sure if anyone has rated him yet, but he is a good addition to the mass that has been posted here since the thread's inception.

icetea

[IceTea]

Here is the file

[Garagiste]

Has anyone ever created a .tbdx for Felix Savon? I've checked around and couldn't find one.

[Arlie Latham]

One tomato can ready to be opened.

[CONN CHRIS]

This is a bit speculative, just having some fun. Use it if you wish.



Thomas Sayers HW

Born - Brighton, England, UK

0-0-1

Sayers' career was mainly as a bareknuckle middleweight and heavyweight. He fought one recognized modern bout with John C. Heenan in 1860. The two fought to a 42 round draw with the fight stopped due to an unruly crowd. Sayers was the bareknuckle World Middleweight champ at one time. He died five years after the Heenan bout from tuberculosis. I have seen some accounts that do not square with this Heenan bout being the same Tom Sayers, some claim that he never fought again after the World Middleweight bout which took place a few years prior to this bout.


Perhaps one of our UK friends can set me straight

[CONN CHRIS]

Thomas Sayers

[LeeSkye]

Sent these HW from the 1920s and 30s over to Cornerwork

Mostly real life tomato cans...primed and ready to lose!

Vic Alexander
Rufino Alvarez
Ralph Barbara
Jack Bourke
Sailor Bott
Charley (Red) Boyette
Wendolin Brownoggle
Charlie Buck
Ted Burkley
Kit Burnie
Bill Butler
Chief Caribou
Onie caroday
Dick Casserly
Jack Chiaverelli
Arturo Costarelli
Babe Davis
Jack Dessimoz
Tarzan Duke
Benny Edell
Charlie Elberts
Johnny (Johan O.) Erickson
Nat Feldman
Joe Ferguson
Young Ford
Scotty Fuller
Al Gatchell
Chief Grant
Joe Hanlon
Hughie Hegney
Frank Hollingsworth
Buddy Howell
Sailor Joe Hughes
Ching Johnson
Al Kaletchiz
Clarence Killingsworth
Charlie Kirkorian
Hank Kiser
Frankie Kitts
Jess Kizis
Jake Kilraine
Frankie Lennon
Jack Lewis
Farmer John Lockaby
Eddie Malcolm
Max Marek
Dan McGovern
Gene McHugh
Monk Montgomery
Harold (Millonaire) Murphy
Ernie Musick
George Neron
Johnny O'Brien
Jack O'Dowd
Julio Pastenga
Andy Patterson
Jerry Pavelec
Bert (Kayo) Paxton
Pat Perkins
Lou Postor
Jack Roberts
Manslaughter Jack Rozier
Giuseppe Sanga
Earl Sather
Russ Scholtz
Walter Sells
Jack Shaw
Sam Singer
Harry Slaughter
Lanky Ralph Smith
Yankee Jack Smith
Tillie Taverna
Jack Terrill
Wally Thorpe
Bob Tow
Jack Trammell
Herman Weiner
Sammy Weiss
Charlie Wepner

[CONN CHRIS]

That's great LeeSkye, looking forward to it.

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Ok, trying to get back into the swing of things and do some boxing!

01/20/67 Friday
Bologna, Italy
Bobby Stininato – HW (32-12-2) vs. Vittorio Saraudi – LHW (22-0-1)


Bobby Stininato - USA Rating 3
Heayweight 1954-74
42 wins / 20 losses / 2 draws / 17 KO

Hometown: Youngstown, Ohio
Birthplace: Rosedale

Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto

Calling Youngstown, Ohio home, Stininato actually fought very little of his career around his native Ohio. From 1954-early 1962 he bounced around actually starting his career with 3 out his first 4 fights in Washington DC. He traveled to Cleveland, Pittsburg, McKeesport, PA several times, northeast/northwest PA area, Chicago several times, Sarnia, Ontario Canada and even Miami, Florida and Madison Square Garden in New York once each.His biggest fights were a 10 round loss to Freddy Blades and a 10 round victory over Jesse Bowdry. He actually fought in Youngstown only twice in compiling a 17-7-1 record before he went down under to New Zealand in March 1962. He won 5 and lost 2 fights in New Zealand including a 12 round decision over Mike Holt. He came back to the US via a couple fights in Honolulu first in 1963 and 1964. He beat Chuck Leslie in Honolulu. Between 1964 and early 1967 he fought mostly in california and some in Nevada. He lost fights to Mauro Mina and Bill McMurray and fought a 10 round draw with Henry Clark in 1966. In January 1967 he KO'd Vittorio Saraudi in 8 rounds in a fight in Bologna Italy then came back to California the next month loosing a 10 round decision to Fred Lewis.

At that time, Stininato went back to the south pacific for good for the rest of his career except for one fight. In April 1968 we see him show up in Pittsburgh, PA to KO Mert Brownfield. Why Pittsburgh.He goes right back to the south seas area right after that to never fight again in the States. From 1967 through July 1969 Bobby lost fights to Eddie Cotton, Bob Dunlop twice and Leweni Waga while also defeating Waga in another fight. After a 10 round win over Mani Vaka in July 1969, Stininato then did not fight for 4 years until July 1973 loosing an 8 rounder to Joe Jackson and then later in October that year won by 6th round disqualification over Ounce Tui. The next month in November 1973 he lost an 8 round decision to Ben Chapman. In March 1974 he won a 6 round decision over Amosi Felevai for his last recorded fight.

Vittorio Saraudi - Italy Rating 5
Light Heavyweight 1963-69
27 wins / 3 losses / 2 draws / 15 KO

Hometown: Amaduzzi, Italy
Birthplace: Civitavecchia, Italy

Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto

Saraudi packed a decent punch stopping his opponenet 13 times punching his way to a 22-0-1 record from 1963 through 1966. All those fights were in his homeland of Italy with the only recognizeable names from the game being Johnny Halafihi whom Vittorio won a 4th round TKO against in November 1964 and an 8 round decision over Lion Ven in December 1966. Some other opponents with good records were Guerrino Scattolin(20-14-2,10), Jose Menno(23-21-7,7), Harry Kneipp(24-12-5,5) and Jose Angel Manzur(31-33-14,13). The fight against Menno was the 1 draw. In June 1965 he defeated Benito Michelon(11-5-0,6) for the Italian Light Heavyweight Title.

After the Ven fight, in January 1967 Vittorio took on American Bobby Stininato in Bologna, Italy. Stininato KO'd the Italian in the 8th round for his first defeat. Five months later Saraudi rebounded to defend his Italian LHW title in a 12 round decision over Guerrino Scattolin, but then a couple months later in September 1967 he was KO'd in the 4th round by Piero Del Papa trying to take the European (EBU) LHW Title.

Later in May 1968 Vittorio fought a 10 round draw with Gregorio Peralta in Buenos Aires, Argentina, the only fight of Saraudi's career outside of Italy. He came back to Italy to defend his Italian LHW title against Giovanni Biancardi in October 1968. After a couple more wins against Kurt Stroer and Joe Shelton, he took on Charlie Green(14-15-0,9) from Harlem, NY in March 1969 in Rome. Green KO'd Saraudi in the 1st round. That was it, his 3rd career loss, 3rd time KO'd and Saraudi was finished.


The fight....
Well traveled heavyweight Bobby Stininato from Youngstown, Ohio has been fighting out on the west coast for the past three years after spending a year down under in New Zealand. Bobby is on a 5-0-1 streak, the one draw being a 10 rounder with Henry Clark back in May 1966. He then makes this sudden, unexpected trip to Europe to take on the current undefeated Italian Light Heavyweight champion, Vittorio Saraudi. It would be guessed maybe to try and gain some notoriety outside the States, something not really done fighting down in Zealand. For Saraudi, this would look like the opportunity to take on some tougher competition outside his native Italy with the goal being the European LHW title. The fight here in Bologna, Italy would appear to have been a fairly tough affair with it ending in a disappointing 8th round KO of Saraudi by the American. Despite the victory for Stininato, his venture to Europe is quickly abbreviated as he returns to California for a fight there against Fred Lewis in February and then heads back to the south seas. Got to wonder why and how this fight ever came about?
Our replay fight, a scheduled 10 rounder, went the full distance. Not a lot of extensive action. The Italian champion, managed to control things in the first 4 rounds with the scoring going 38-38, 40-36, 39-37 in Saraudi’s favor. The tide began to turn though in the 5th and by the 6th the light heavy Saraudi was loosing steam against the heavyweight American. A ½ minute into the 6th, Stininato landed a hard shot to the body that dropped Vittorio down for a short 2 count. Halfway through the 7th, Stininato managed to drop Saraudi again for a short count. Saraudi managed to hang on, but it was more from Stininato’s lack of aggressiveness to finish the fight that let it go the full distance. In the end the two short knockdowns and modest scoring advantage over those last rounds turned the tide in the American’s favor for a 97-91, 95-93, 96-92 unanimous decision victory for Bobby Stininato.

Sorry for the layoff. Hey Mark, good to see you bouncing around the forum here again some! Missed you!

Rocco

[CONN CHRIS]

Great post as always Rocco, nice to see you back at it.

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Thanks Chris!

Tell you what though, what you, and Dean, David Myers, Tiger and others have been doing lately, my data base is upped to almost 7100 fighters and that's with all the female fighters deleted from it! You all have shamed me into setting aside other stuff I've been messing around with and getting back to TBCB!!

Thanks to the whole great community on this forum!

Rocco

[CONN CHRIS]

Although it is commonplace today, it is interesting to see how odd the travel plans of even low level fighters was (especialy in the 20s and 30s). I am working through the Connecticut Heavyweights 40s to 70s (not a pretty picture, by the way) - when I worked on Ollie Wilson I was struck by one move that he made. He was a stiff to put it kindly, but he suddenly heads off to Italy and Germany to get crushed by Di Piccoli and Mildenberger. He comes back here, stopping in the bahamas, fights in the US a while and then back to Italy for more beatings. I do not know much about that end of the business, but I would assume that the opponent's manager pays the way to import a stiff that might sell a few more tickets because he is an "exotic" stiff. I need to find a good book about the business end of the sport sometime.


Anyway, love the post and love that youre back Rocco,

Christopher

[Tiger Fan]

Originally Posted by Rocco Del Sesto

Bobby Stininato – HW (32-12-2) vs. Vittorio Saraudi – LHW (22-0-1)


From 1954-early 1962 he bounced around actually starting his career with 3 out his first 4 fights in Washington DC. He traveled to Cleveland, Pittsburg, McKeesport, PA several times, northeast/northwest PA area, Chicago several times, Sarnia, Ontario Canada and even Miami, Florida and Madison Square Garden in New York once each.

Interesting. Sarnia is my hometown. I wasn't aware there were boxing cards there in the 50's.

[IceTea]

Tim Tomashek 51-12-0- 18 KOs

- Best known for coming out of the crowd with a beer in his hand and getting TKOd in 4 by Tommy Morrison in August of 1993. The post fight interview was full of "jeepers creepers" bombs....was the ESPN boxing interview of the year. His brief claim to fame also made sports center.

MJ

[CONN CHRIS]

Originally Posted by IceTea

Tim Tomashek 51-12-0- 18 KOs

- Best known for coming out of the crowd with a beer in his hand and getting TKOd in 4 by Tommy Morrison in August of 1993. The post fight interview was full of "jeepers creepers" bombs....was the ESPN boxing interview of the year. His brief claim to fame also made sports center.

MJ

Did the WBO actualy sanction that fight? If they maintained that it was still a "championship" fight, I guess that realy wouldn't shock me

[IceTea]

He was supposed to fight Mike Williams, who also acted in Rocky IV. Williams wouldn't leave the dressing room so they grabbed Tomashek out of the crowd. They had him there just in case Williams turned yellow, which happend. Williams was sparring Morrison wearing 18 oz gloves, but in the fight, the were only using 10 and the Morrison camp assumed Williams wasnt going to go throught with the bout.

MJ