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Hometown - Havana, Cuba 42(39)-18-3 With the exception of two bouts in Jamaica, Esparraguera fought in Havana for his entire career. At various times, he held both the Light-Heavyweight and Heavyweight Cuban crowns. He held victories over local favorites and heavyweights Roleaux Saguero and Goyito Rico and lost to the well traveled Leo Houck. NOTE - Esparraguera fought mostly at LHW, I have him rated as a heavyweight due to some replays I was running with cuban heavyweights
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01/18/67 Wednesday
Solihull, England Dave Barber – HW (7-1-0) vs. Vernon Allen – HW (2-11-0) Dave Barber - Rating 1 Ireland Heavyweight 1965-68 12 wins / 5 losses / 0 draws / 5 KO Hometown/Birthplace: Dublin, Ireland Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto Defeated MW-Joe Somerville(34-51-4,9), Vernon Allen, Tom Calderwood, Johnny Ould and Guinea Roger(13-34-1,11)twice. Lost to Vernon Allen, Lloyd Walford twice and Giovanni Biancardi(29-2-0,14). Vernon Allen - Rating 1 Australia Heavyweight 1965-82 12 wins / 24 losses / 1 draw / 3 KO Hometown: Sydney, NSW, Australia Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto Allen's career started out 4-16-0. His only wins were against Tommy Woods and Dave Barber in 1966 and then won 2 straight fights in 1968 by disqualification of his opponents. He lost three fights to Derek Groombridge while also loosing to Vic Moore, Jimmy Tibbs, Johnny Ould, Barber and Woods to name some we've seen rated into the game. From 1969 through to Sept 1972 he manages to put together a 6-5-0 record against no one you've probably heard off. After loosing a 10 round decision in Sept. 1973 to a Greg NcNamara(30-13-5,4), Vernon steps out of the ring for 3 years before coming back in November 1975 winning a 6 round decision against I.M.Gentle(Like that handle?!) and then an 8 round decision against Hunter McHugh(13-7-5,7). In April 1976 he fights a Sentiki Qata for the vacant New South Wales Heavyweight Title. Qata wins the 10 round decision. Vernon then disappears from the boxing scene again, this time for over 5-1/2 years before staging a 3rd comeback in November 1981. Over the next 5 month period he looses a 6 round decision to Kevin Wagstaff, fights a draw with an Alan Black and then in April 1982 Wagstaff KO's Allen to send him into retirement for good. The Fight.... Barber, though with only 8 fights, is actually about half way through a modest, but short career in England. Allen has fought with very little success up till now in his career. He’s fought a number of guys who we’ve seen rated into the game. His only wins being against Tommy Woods and back in June 1966 he’d handed Barber’s only career loss thus far in a 6 round decision. This fight, though not noted in BoxRec was most likely another 6 round affair. Barber this time was victorious winning by TKO in the 4th round. In our replay fight, Barber came out gunning to win a decisive 1st round then the fighters toyed around each other through a boring 2nd round. Allen came around in the 3rd round and actually out pointed Barber 11 to 4. The 4th round like the 2nd and 3rd was little action and neither fighter connecting. Barber finally with a ½ minute to go managed to land in a little uppercut to count and give him the round. The 5th round was the best though the action was all in the last ½ minute again. Through the first 2-1/2 minutes again there was few punches thrown connecting for either fighter but with Allen actually holding a slight advantage in the round. Then at the 2:21 mark, Barber suddenly manages to land a hard uppercut in and Allen folds to the canvas. Allen manages to get up in 8. Allen holds on for the rest of the round and then Round 6 Barber manages to keep up enough pressure and land punches to count and keep Allen at bay. In the end of this rather boring fight, Barber ends with the 6 round Unanimous Decision victory 60-53, 58-55, 58-55 on the cards. Not sure why that first judge gave the 3rd round to Barber. |
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Birthplace - Sanpierdarena, Italy 32(17)-8-1 1 NC Baiguera fought Pierre Charles in a losing effort for the European Heavyweight Title in only his twelth pro bout. He went home and promptly won the Italian Heavyweight title which he held for two years and twice defended before being stripped. After a succesfull trip to US that saw him collect five wins losing only to Babe Hunt, Innocente went home and again claimed the Italian title with a twelve round decision over Sante De Leo. He defended once more than lost the title in a rematch with De Leo that was his last fight.
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Born in Argentina 19(12)-11-2 Primo was a Buenos Aires local that rose above his club fighting peers. Primo fought to one win and one draw with Valantin Campolo and had a 12 round loss and a draw with Argentine great Arturo Godoy. Primo also handed Alberto Santiago Lovell a loss in Lovell's pro debut. Lovell avenged that defeat in spades by defeating Primo 6 times over the balance of his career, once for the South American and once for the Argentine Heavyweight Titles. Five of those bouts were 12 round decisions for Lovell with the only stoppage comming in Primo's final bout by way of nineth round KO. Primo did a bit of globe trotting during his career, fighting both in Europe and The US.
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I believe that weight gain coupled with severe weight loss ages the legs. I've heard several boxing trainers state the same. When a boxers loses the legs, the rest of his game goes too. This, in my opinion, led to Bowe's premature aging in the ring. MJ
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1967 Heavyweight and Light Heavyweight Replay
01/18/67 Wednesday
St. Paul, MN, USA James J. Beattie – HW (20-3-1) vs. Ed Hurley – HW (8-4-0) James J. Beattie Rating 3 USA Heavyweight 1962-79 41 wins / 10 losses / 1 draw / 34 KO Hometown: St. Paul, MN Trainer: Freddie Fierro Manager: Charlie Bauer/Glen Flanag Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto From 1962 to 1968 Beattie ran up a 31-4-1 record when in 1968 he lost consectutive fights by TKO to Buster Mathis and a Tommy Fields. Came back in 1976-1979 and rung up a 10-6 record in that time. Big wina in career was against Tom McNeeley, Dick Wipperman three times, Billy Tisdale, Dick Greatorex, Mel Turnbow, Ed Hurley twice, Lou Bailey, Levi Forte, Aaron Easting, and Willie Ray Richardson twice. Lost fights against Mathis, Scott LeDoux, Leroy Jones, James J. Woody, Al Jones, and Tommy Fields. I posted Beattie some time back. I did some retesting of him and tweeked some ratings. His overall went down from 4 to 3. Ed "Baker Boy" Hurley Rating 1 USA Heavyweight 1965-68 11 wins / 9 losses / 1 draw / 3 KO Hometown: Minneapolis, MN Manager: Gene Fesenmaier Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto Won fights against Ron Marsh and Billy Marsh. Also defeated a Bob Avery(14-13-4,6) and Don Koontz(11-5-0,5). Lost fights against Memphis Al Jones, Marsh, Aaron Eastling twice, James J. Beattie twice, and Buster Mathis. Fought a 6 round draw with Fred Askew(20-15-2,11). The fight.... After racking up wins against Dick Greatorex, Tom McNeeley, Alonzo Johnson, Orvin Veazey and Mel Turnbow in 1965, Beattie finished up 1965 loosing by 7th round TKO against James J. Woody. In 1966 then he fought only twice leading up to this bout with Hurley, winning 3 round KO fights against a Sonny Andrews and Barry O’Neil. Hurley is coming off a 10 round decision loss to Ron Marsh in late November 1966 which was his 3rd loss in his last 5 fights. This scheduled 10 round fight went the full distance with Beattie coming out on top with the decision victory. Our replay fight was a good fight with back and forth action from both of our fighters. Through 9 rounds, neither had been able to land a knock out punch but each was landing plenty of punches such that going into the 10th round the fight was still not totally decided. After the first 9 rounds Beattie held a narrow margin with two judges having it scored 86-85 and 87-85 for Beattie and the 3rd judge having it even 86-86. The 10th round starts with Hurley glancing a hook off Beattie’s side. Both fighters are laboring at this point and clinching each other a lot. Hurley then manages to land a jab and then a cross after missing with another jab. Hurley then fires a volley of punches but Beattie has moved laterally and out of harm’s way by the time Hurley threw his punches. Then at 1:49 in last round, lightening suddenly strikes when Beattie lands a clean uppercut that catches Hurley flush. Hurley drops like he’s been shot! He’s counted out. Beattie scores himself and sudden and unexpected knockout victory at the 2:00 mark in the 10th and final round! It really looked like Hurley was maybe going to be able to at least pull out a draw in this fight when BAM! Last edited by Rocco Del Sesto; 12-19-2004 at 07:38 PM. |
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I'm glad that I didn't get attached to the old Beattie
Seriously, these are really good Rocco, thanks again
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Here is what I have on Hankinson. When in shape he was very good; but when he was out playboying anything could happen. His new photo is located in the photo thread.
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Charles Krauchi
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Born - Switzerland 6(1)-6-0 Krauchi defeated Louis Clement for the Swiss Heavyweight title in his pro debut. He followed that good start with a win in Germany and a loss in Spain before suffering a sixth round KO to Marcel Thil in Paris. Charles then traveled to the US where he continued his mediocre ways as a heavyweight and light-heavyweight in New York and New jersey until 1931.
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Born - Spain 0-2-0 This Spainiard had a short, rough encounter with the world of professional boxing. He debuted in November of 1947 with a fourth round TKO to the talanted and vastly more experienced Alberto Santiago Lovell. Four weeks later, Acosta was fed to Paco Bueno in a bout billed as a Spanish Heavyweight Title fight. The result was a predictable KO, that it took Bueno seven rounds to put him down says something about Acosta's pluck.
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Born - Russia Hometown - New London, Connecticut Fought out of Panama Although he had a short career and was rather small in stature, Hollandersky made quite a splash in the Panamanian Heavyweight scene early in the twentieth century. Weighing only 150 pounds, Abe fought mainly at the heavyweight level. He won the Panamanian Heavyweight title when Jack Ortega (who outweighed Abe by nearly 50 pounds) lost on a disqualification. Proving it was no fluke, The Newsboy gave Ortega a rematch and scored a KO victory in round 19 of a scheduled 45 round title fight. Abe didn't fare quite as well when picking on folks his own size, battling to a 20 round draw with Eddie Ryan for the Isthmus Middleweight Title and lossing to Panama Joe Gans in twenty rounds on points.
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Here is a tweaked one of Blacksmith Russell that I did for my universe. Very difficult to rate a fighter with only 3 bouts but this version usually loses in 7 rounds or so. Lasts about the same against Dorval but usually gets KO'd. Boxrec says in his fioght with Siki that "Both were booed by the crowd." Must have been a stinker!
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1967 Heavyweight and Light Heavyweight Replay
01/18/67 Wednesday
St. Paul, MN, USA Rudy Rodriguez – LHW (12-8-5) vs. Jimmy Adams – WW (6-9-1) Rudy Rodriguez - Rating 1 USA Light Heavyweight 1961-68 20 wins / 17 losses / 6 draws / 9 KO Hometown: Minneapolis, MN. Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto Fairly busy LHW of the 60's, unfortunately fought very few meaningful opponents. He fougth and lost to Art Hernandez three times, was KO'd by Gomeo Brennan in 7 rounds in 1967 and lost a 10 round decision to Brian Kelly. In September 1968 he was stopped in the 4th round by Luis Manuel Rodriguez when Rodriguez was late in his career. It turned out Rudy Rodriguez then did not fight again until he came out of "retirement" in February 1974 to fight a meaningless affair against a Chuck Warfield in Chicago. Warfield KO'd Rudy in the 3rd round. Jimmy Adams - Rating 1 USA Welterweight 1956-61,66-67 6 wins / 10 losses / 1 draw / 6 KO Hometown: Milwaukee, WI Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto Fought 2 or 3 times a year from 1956 through 1961 compiling a 4-9-1,4KO record as a welterweight. He then did not fight until coming out in November 1966 to take on LHW Rudy Rodriguez. He KO'd Rodriguez in the 5th round! Then after Knocking out Billy Novak in 2 rounds a couple weeks later Adams came back for a rematch with Rodriguez on Jan. 18th, 1967. This time the two fought to a 6 round decision which Rodriguez won. That was it for Adams' career. The fight... Jimmy Adams was a welterweight from the late 50’s – early 60’s who’d been out of the ring since April 1961 when he came out of “retirement” in November 1966 to battle Light Heavyweight Rudy Rodriguez. Rudy was a fairly busy club fighter around Minnesota throughout the 60’s. He was coming off 2 wins and a draw against Henry Burton (0-15-1) to give you some idea of Rudy’s competition up till then. That fight in November, Adams shocked the Rodriguez camp with a 5th round KO. Each of these guys fought again in December before meeting here St. Paul for this rematch. Adams KO’d Billy Novak(9-0-3) in 2 while Rodriguez fought to a 6 round draw with Ray Christian(14-2-0). The Scheduled 6 round rematch fight ended in a 6 round decision for Rodriguez. For Adams it was the end of his career. Rodriguez dominated throughout our replay fight. At the 1:11 mark of the 1st round, Rudy threw a strong hook that dropped Adams for an 8 count. Rodriguez might have stopped Adams there in that 1st round, but he kept missing with most of his punches and could not mount the knockout punch needed. The 2nd round though, Rudy begins to connect. He first hits Jimmy with a strong uppercut that almost has him down on one knee on the canvas. Then a straight right and a solid left right after that stops Adams cold. Rudy keeps swinging away landing combinations and uppercuts and keeps trying to slide that left jab in some more to catch Jimmy off guard. Somehow Adams survives the round though. The 3rd round picks up where the 2nd ended with Rodriguez coming out right away and connecting with a straight right and then a strong cross. Then a strong right again and a crushing hook has Adams eyes rolling back in his head. With a little more then a minute to go it’s amazing Adams is holding on. Finally after Rodriguez lands some more devastating punches, the referee finally steps in at the 2:44 mark in the 3rd round and stops the fight for a TKO victory for Rudy Rodriguez. After a modest 11-4 point edge in the first round, Rodriguez out pointed Adams 49-4 in the 2nd and 3rd before the fight was finally ended. That’s how one sided it got. |
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1967 Heavyweight and Light Heavyweight Replay
Last fight for Wednesday Jan. 18th, 1967
01/18/67 Wednesday St. Paul, MN, USA Fred Askew - HW (0-1-0) vs. Aaron Eastling – HW (6-1-0) Fred Askew - USA Rating 1 Heavyweight 1966-85 20 wins / 15 losses / 2 draws / 11 KO Hometown: Minneapolis, MN Trainer: Floyd Joyner Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto Askew started out his career with a 2nd round TKO loss to Ron Marsh who was 11-1 at the time. Askew followed that up loosing by 5th round TKO to Aaron Eastling who was 6-1. Ed Hurley then fought Askew to a 6 round draw. The Eastling fight was his only one in 1967. Between 1968-and early 1970 he fought the likes of George Foreman(fighting his 2nd professional bout), Ted Gullick, Orville Qualls, Vic Brown and Eastling again. Askew lost all those fights. In fact up through the 2nd Eastling fight Askew accumulated a not at all impressive record of 4-12-1. He fought some decent looking guys in that time period, but was just not good enough in most cases to contend with them. After the Eastling fight in early 1970 then on through to Sept 1980 things turned around for Askew at least for this w/l record going 16-2-0 with 1 no contest. The two losses were consectutive losses to Larry Holmes by 2nd round TKO and to John L. Gardner by a diqualification in the 6th round. During that time he defeated Tony Anchondo, Charlie Hall, Ron Stander, and Charles Atlas. He fought the 10 round no contest with James J. Beattie. After the NC with Beattie Askew won his next 4 fights the last a 3rd round KO of a new comer Larry Joe Walsh. Then after that, you don't see him in the ring again until December of 1984 when he comes back to fight a 6 round draw with Al Houck then looses in the 2nd round by TKO to Ken Lakusta in March 1985. Askew is finished then for good after that. The following writup is from Mark Sumagyi who provided Aaron Eastling to this board some time ago. I've attached a slightly updated version. His overall rating stayed at 1 but up upped his control ratings from 4 to 6 and his Chin ratings I changed to 6/5 from I think it was 4/3 that Mark had. Other than that it's Mark's creation. Aaron Eastling - Rating 1 USA Heavyweight 1966-72 21 wins / 15 losses / 2 draws / 7 KO Hometown: St. Paul, MN Rating by: Mark Sumagyi, Gunsmoke From St Paul, Minnesota, Eastling was active from the mid sixties till 1972. After winning his first fight he would lose a 4 round points decision to a debuting Orville Qualls. He would reel off six straight wins through the early part of 1967 before he fought Qualls again on the 15th of March, 1967. This time the two would fight to a draw in six rounds. Eastling KO's his next opponent in the second round on the 7th of April before fighting Qualls in the tiebreaker on the 24th of April. Once again they would go the distance but this time Eastling would take the decision to give him a 1-1-1 record against Qualls. Exactly a month later he won a points decision over Memphis Al Jones, who would later in his mediocre career would KO Boone Kirkman in the third round. On the 5th of June, Eastling would face the undefeated Alvin "Blue" Lewis, a matchup that he would lose in the 5th round via a KO. After a 2 month lay off (which is like a two year layoff for Eastling who had fought every second week for three months at this stage) Eastling would get back on track with a points victory over Billy Williams. On the 2nd of Feburary 1968 he would face the considerably bigger James J Beattie who manhandled Eastling on the way to a fifth round KO. Through the rest of 1968 Eastling would pad his record 5 wins and a draw against fighters with impressive looking records built on poor opposition. With the start of 1969, Eastling moved into a late January meeting against Jerry Quarry as a warm up fight for Buster Mathis. Though game Eastling was no match for Quarry and once again he was KO'd in the fifth round. This result would mark the beginning of the end for Eastling as he suffered two further stoppage losses through the remainder of 1969. The new decade started well for Eastling with a points victory in ten rounds, but on the 4th of Feburary he fought Ken Norton. Norton would prove to be far too accomplished for Eastling and he was KO'd in the second round. Two months later he would fight an undefeated George Foreman (18-0-0) and he would creditably last 4 rounds against the behemoth. A creditable 10 round points loss against Roy "Cookie" Wallace at the start of August and a 2 round KO loss against Ted Gullick at the start of September signalled the beginning of the end despite two wins in October and November (his last victory a 6 round points win over Mark White). His last notable fights were a series of three losses on the 6th of April, 1971 to Charles Chuck Olivera by points in ten, the 4th of June against Olivera a fifth round TKO loss and a fifth round KO loss only three days later. The fight....a strange ending to this one.... For Askew it’s only his 2nd career fight having lost by TKO in 2 rounds to Ron Marsh back in October the previous year to start things out. Eastling is early on in his career also. He’s won his last 5 fights including T.J. Jones, Ed Hurley, Lou Bailey and in December Chico Gardner. What would guess to be a 6 round affair between Askew and Eastling, Askew pulled out what was probably considered a bit of an upset taking home the victory with the fight stopped in the 5th round. Our replay fight turned out to be an entertaining little affair. Both fighters scored some punches in the first round that was a close one with judges 1 and 2 giving it to Askew and the 3rd judge to Eastling. Round 2 was all Askew with him scoring enough that even a last 20 second flurry of punches thrown by Eastling could not sway the scoring on all cards to Askew that round. Round 3 starts with Eastling scoring early with his uppercut and holds Askew at bay without Eastling going then into a defensive mode for most of the rest of the round trying not to loose what little advantage he’s built in the round. But, with about a ½ minute to go he looses that advantage as Askew first scores with a hard hook to the body and then he wings the cross that catches Eastling and opens up a cut under his Aaron’s right eye. In the end the 3rd round is a dead heat. So after 3 rounds Askew is holding his own and even leading this fight 30-28 on 2 cards with the 3rd judge having it even 29-29. Askew could be pulling the upset here. The 4th round for the first 1:15 is close with Askew still getting the little better of it and Eastling acting like he’s trying to not loose a fight that in fact he is. Then Askew blasts home a right hand that connects and follows that with a sharp 3 punch combo. That right hand punch the commentary says opened up a cut over Eastling’s left eye. Eastling is in trouble with less then a minute to go in the 4th. So we got Eastling cut under his right eye and over this left eye. Suddenly at 2:19 in the round Aaron lands a jolting uppercut inside. Then we have this commentary from our ringside announcer….”Askew keeps wiping blood from over his right eye with his glove. The cut shouldn’t be bothering him that much but it must be a deeper gash than we think.” What cut!! I kept checking back through the commentary after the end of the fight. When did Askew get cut?? It never said. Then at 2:23..” That cut over Askew’s eye is nasty. It’s really spouting blood now.” Then the referee jumps in and takes Askew to a neutral corner for the doc to look at him and suddenly it’s over! The referee waives off the fight. TKO victory in the 4th round for Eastling!!?? 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Merry Christmas to you to Rocco, you are doing marvelous work with this replay. Just one tiny, minor thing, my last name is spelt Somogyi.
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Thank you again Rocco, I am realy enjoying your detailed posts. Merry Christmas to you and the family.
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To go with the image Cap posted in the photo's thread, here is 40's heavyweight Bob Blevins. Note that Cap's saved image is spelled incorrectly. You need to change the last name from Blevens to Blevins on Cap's image for it to display properly.
Still very early in my learning curve on rating fighters so feel free to edit Blevins.
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