The European football thread - Page 40

bababui · 08-17-2006, 04:26 AM

What was the attraction of Heskey besides the fact that he was a body to push out there? Why not give a young player the job?

Sdpm100 · 08-17-2006, 04:27 AM

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Why couldnt they have Pink Sheets for friday, saturday and sunday???

It would have lost even more money that it probably did anyway.

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Paul, isnt Cheltenham FC bigger than Gloucester?

No.

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What happened to the dodo avi??

I got confused by seeing it, so it is gone.

bababui · 08-17-2006, 04:28 AM

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I doubt many people have any knowledge of the first ever Football League games on September 8th 1888, do they though?

Statto that I am though, I do:

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Saturday September 8 1888
Bolton        3-6    Derby
Everton        2-1    Accrington
Preston        5-2    Burnley
Stoke        0-2    West Brom
Wolverhampton    1-1    Aston Villa
 
            P    W    D    L    F    A    Pts
Derby County        1    1    0    0    6    3    2
Preston North End    1    1    0    0    5    2    2
West Bromwich Albion    1    1    0    0    2    0    2
Everton            1    1    0    0    2    1    2
Aston Villa        1    0    1    0    1    1    1
Wolverhampton Wanderers    1    0    1    0    1    1    1
Blackburn Rovers    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
Notts County        0    0    0    0    0    0    0
Accrington        1    0    0    1    1    2    0
Stoke City        1    0    0    1    0    2    0
Bolton Wanderers    1    0    0    1    3    6    0
Burnley            1    0    0    1    2    5    0

Wow.

You guys rock.

Would I be correct to say that 3 of the first 12 were in London?

ukhotstove · 08-17-2006, 04:28 AM

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That's pretty sickening. How dare QPR lose to Man U, especially 4-0!

Used to have a soft spot for QPR until they brought that artifical turf in years ago thank God it never took off over here.

bababui · 08-17-2006, 04:29 AM

Cheltenham is in L2 and Gloucester isnt even League football, no?

bababui · 08-17-2006, 04:33 AM

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Used to have a soft spot for QPR until they brought that artifical turf in years ago thank God it never took off over here.

Artificial turf is almost gone over here too. Even the new domed stadium in Arizona will have grass that will be roled outside after the games.

ukhotstove · 08-17-2006, 04:34 AM

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What was the attraction of Heskey besides the fact that he was a body to push out there? Why not give a young player the job?

Never rated Heskey to be honest but Jewell seems to get the best out of players good example being Jason Roberts who had done nothing in the Premiership before but had a great season for Wigan last season, so I think Heskey will do well under Jewell plus with Camara he should strike up a good frontline partnership.

ukhotstove · 08-17-2006, 04:36 AM

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Artificial turf is almost gone over here too. Even the new domed stadium in Arizona will have grass that will be roled outside after the games.

Sport should never be played on artifical turf.

Sdpm100 · 08-17-2006, 04:36 AM

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Wow.

You guys rock.

Would I be correct to say that 3 of the first 12 were in London?

No.

bababui · 08-17-2006, 04:37 AM

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No.

Please dont tire yourself out answering.

bababui · 08-17-2006, 04:38 AM

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Never rated Heskey to be honest but Jewell seems to get the best out of players good example being Jason Roberts who had done nothing in the Premiership before but had a great season for Wigan last season, so I think Heskey will do well under Jewell plus with Camara he should strike up a good frontline partnership.

I hope he does. If so, then Jewell will indeed be a miracle worker.

bababui · 08-17-2006, 04:39 AM

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Sport should never be played on artifical turf.

Agreed. Many a career over here were needlessly ruined by that stuff.

Sdpm100 · 08-17-2006, 04:41 AM

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Cheltenham is in L2 and Gloucester isnt even League football, no?

Gloucester Rugby I meant, but yes Gloucester City are in the Southern League.

In fact one day in May 1997 could have been the catalyst for the difference in the two rivals that we currently have.
On 3rd May, Gloucester City and Cheltenham Town went into the last day of the Southern League level on points - Cheltenham could only draw 0-0 with Burton, which meant that Gloucester could win promotion to the Conference if they could beat mid-table Salisbury. However the Tigers lost 3-1 at home, so it was the Robins who went up to the Conference by a single point, and the rest as they say is history.

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                            Pl   W  D  L  F   A  Pts
 1 Gresley Rovers           42  25 10  7  75  40  85 
 2 Cheltenham Town          42  21 11 10  76  44  74   [P]
 3 Gloucester City          42  21 10 11  81  56  73 
 4 Halesowen Town           42  21 10 11  77  54  73 
 5 King's Lynn              42  20  8 14  65  61  68 
 6 Burton Albion            42  18 12 12  70  53  66 
 7 Nuneaton Borough         42  19  9 14  61  52  66

bababui · 08-17-2006, 04:44 AM

What happened to Gloucester? Did their owner pull out the financial rug? They indeed did seem to be on the brink of success.

Sdpm100 · 08-17-2006, 04:50 AM

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What happened to Gloucester? Did their owner pull out the financial rug? They indeed did seem to be on the brink of success.

It was like with so many non-league owners - they get sick of not getting any success and pull out, and then there are very few people out there who want to put in money and time into something like a non-league football club to come and replace them. To own a non-league club, you've really got to love it, because there is no money to be gained from it. That's why so many money bags chairman have bought clubs and then left them crippled in debt when they don't get anywhere (see Canvey Island, Telford, Crawley, Barrow

, and even league clubs like Aldershot and Maidstone have gone to the wall).

As for Gloucester City, they finished in the top half the following season as well, but then soon went downwards, even falling to the next level down (Southern League D1 West), before returning a few seasons later to the Southern League Premier Division (and that's where they are now). However there were plenty of times they nearly joined a long list of bankrupt clubs.

bababui · 08-17-2006, 04:54 AM

Thank you very much SDPM for that amazing round up. I could sit here all night and read posts like that.

. Ive always loved the history of sport and you are amazing at telling it. I am in your debt.

Do you know a DR Kyle Latham from Gloucester? My scout recommended him and do you think he is any good?

Sdpm100 · 08-17-2006, 05:00 AM

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Do you know a DR Kyle Latham from Gloucester? My scout recommended him and do you think he is any good?

No, I've never heard of him, sorry. And even if I had, if it is FM you are on about, then it is best to judge him by his game ratings, as that is what is important - not what he does IRL (see Gavin Knight in my dynasty).

bababui · 08-17-2006, 05:02 AM

Hope I havent been too annoying with all the questions.

if you want to post some more on the history of football, I for one, wont complain. How did that first season turn out?

Sdpm100 · 08-17-2006, 05:14 AM

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How did that first season turn out?

Preston North End went on to win the title, going unbeaten through their 22 games, earning them the nickname "The Invincibles".

The feat was finally repeated by Arsenal 115 years later (2003-04).

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			P	W	D	L	F	A	Pts
Preston North End	22	18	4	0	74	15	40
Aston Villa		22	12	5	5	61	43	29
Wolverhampton Wanderers	22	12	4	6	50	37	28
Blackburn Rovers	22	10	6	6	66	45	26
Bolton Wanderers	22	10	2	10	63	59	22
West Bromwich Albion	22	10	2	10	40	46	22
Accrington		22	6	8	8	48	48	20
Everton			22	9	2	11	35	46	20
Burnley			22	7	3	12	42	62	17
Derby County		22	7	2	13	41	61	16
Notts County		22	5	2	15	40	73	12
Stoke City		22	4	4	14	26	51	12

Preston would go on to win the title the following year as well, and to this day, these are the only two English league championships the club has won.

bababui · 08-17-2006, 05:22 AM

Do you know who the leading goal scorers were?

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bababui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 14,147 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	What was the attraction of Heskey besides the fact that he was a body to push out there? Why not give a young player the job?

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bababui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 14,147 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	What happened to Gloucester? Did their owner pull out the financial rug? They indeed did seem to be on the brink of success.

08-17-2006, 04:54 AM	#796
bababui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 14,147 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Thank you very much SDPM for that amazing round up. I could sit here all night and read posts like that. . Ive always loved the history of sport and you are amazing at telling it. I am in your debt. Do you know a DR Kyle Latham from Gloucester? My scout recommended him and do you think he is any good?

08-17-2006, 05:02 AM	#798
bababui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 14,147 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Hope I havent been too annoying with all the questions. if you want to post some more on the history of football, I for one, wont complain. How did that first season turn out?

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bababui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 14,147 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Do you know who the leading goal scorers were?