Clemens files for record arbitration numbers

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Originally Posted by Karros270

. . . Teachers potential audience is only as big as the amount of students they teach . . .

Have you never heard of 'Pay it forward'?

Originally Posted by Karros270

It's all about there economic worth. Morals are a poor tool to judge economic value with in a capatilist society.

I can't find fault in this statement. The model may work, but it doesn't make it right.

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Originally Posted by KILLERBS24

Brilliant post as usual! He came to houston last year cuz he wanted to be home and wanted to be with his kids and he didn't care about money, now this year money is an issue, so which is it? Is he the 'hometown' guy happy to be home with his family or a pitcher out for the best deal, it can't be both. A player can go after all the money he wants but don't give me the I'm glad to be home bs and then a year later your just out for the money again.

It's not hard to form some kind of logic here. Last year, the team just signed Pettitte and was looking good, so he's willing to pitch for less money for the hometown. Now at least in public views the team is much less likely to win. He's also a year older, and probably feel more like retiring than last year. Also if you are underpaid for period of time, wouldn't you want to be compensated? He's underpaid for about 10 millions last year!!!!!

All these combined can explain the 22 million number.

Also, there is the explanation he's not serious about this figure, and would settle for a contract soon.

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Also, if he doesn't love the home team, why would he bother accepting the arbitration and not becoming a free agent?

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Yeah, he's #22 and this is his 22nd year in baseball, so he might have just pulled the # out of the hat. I figure he'll sign before the hearing if he decides to continue to play.

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Originally Posted by reds1

Have you never heard of 'Pay it forward'?

Yea, it was a horrible, horrible movie.

Originally Posted by reds1

I can't find fault in this statement. The model may work, but it doesn't make it right

If you can't find fault with that statement then you didn't look very closely at my use of "there"

Anyway, whether it's right or not depends on how you're valuing it. If you're looking at it from an economic perspective then it is absolutely right. If you're using moral perspective then it may not be but morals are a lot more subjective than economics and what it may be worth to you would be different from a teachers worth to someone else.

A little off topic but there is only so much money to pay teachers. Where is the extra money supposed to come from? If teachers made what athletes do there would only be money to pay perhaps a few thousand. If that happened class sizes would skyrocket and the quality of education would drop significantly. In theory paying teachers more may sound good but it doesn't seem very feasible.

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Originally Posted by Karros270

Yea, it was a horrible, horrible movie.

If you can't find fault with that statement then you didn't look very closely at my use of "there"

Anyway, whether it's right or not depends on how you're valuing it. If you're looking at it from an economic perspective then it is absolutely right. If you're using moral perspective then it may not be but morals are a lot more subjective than economics and what it may be worth to you would be different from a teachers worth to someone else.

A little off topic but there is only so much money to pay teachers. Where is the extra money supposed to come from? If teachers made what athletes do there would only be money to pay perhaps a few thousand. If that happened class sizes would skyrocket and the quality of education would drop significantly. In theory paying teachers more may sound good but it doesn't seem very feasible.

Again I don't disagree. I'm more of the opinion of lowering athlete salaries than jacking up teacher salaries.
And I know the arguements in favor of athletes making more money because of their investment in their time and resulting limited career (relatively speaking).

But until ordinary fans can afford decent tickets to sporting events, the system is askew.

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Originally Posted by reds1

Again I don't disagree. I'm more of the opinion of lowering athlete salaries than jacking up teacher salaries.
And I know the arguements in favor of athletes making more money because of their investment in their time and resulting limited career (relatively speaking).

But until ordinary fans can afford decent tickets to sporting events, the system is askew.

It's a supply and demand issue though. If people weren't willing to pay those prices and teams couldn't fill up there stadiums then the prices and salaries would come down.

If teams were to lower prices right now then there would be less revenue and players salaries would be less and scalpers and ticket brokers would get rich buying the cheap tickets and selling them for a market price. The best way to protest the prices is by not paying them. I don't know about where you're at but I can still go to Dodger Stadium and sit up top but behind home plate for $6. I'm still fine paying that.

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Originally Posted by reds1

Again I don't disagree. I'm more of the opinion of lowering athlete salaries than jacking up teacher salaries.
And I know the arguements in favor of athletes making more money because of their investment in their time and resulting limited career (relatively speaking).

But until ordinary fans can afford decent tickets to sporting events, the system is askew.

Yeah, as Karros270 said, you got the reverse logic.

The problem right now is that MLB ticket supply is so small comparing to the demand, so they just have to raise the price, just as regular market works. The players are paid well, because the ticket prices are high, not the opposite way around.

The only ways to solve the ticket problem are to increase the supply or to decrease the demand.

The latter one can be achieved by what Karros270 said, just ask people to stop buying them.

The former one can be achieved by expansion. And you know why Bud Selig wanted to eliminate some teams? To reduce the supply in order to further jack up the price.