Requested Updates and Corrections to Players for Rolen's Roster File - Page 4

Erich Ingram · 03-07-2002, 06:08 PM

[quote]Originally posted by troy:
Im going to argue on Manny Ramirez again, as he is robbed.

I took his 3 year averages and you may be surprised. Ratings on the right.
VS L
.372 9
42hrs 11
127 11
44 doubles 8

VS R
.317 7
46hr 11
88bb 7
35 doubles 6

You have him as a 7 6 in hits which is robbery

I think his walk rate is too low as well. He drew close to 100 walks last year, and had no protection to speak of. I didnt really make a strong case for him like I did Nomar, so there are his true 550 AB splits. Walks may be off, since ootp uses AB rather than PA to determine "averages". If you used PA to determine the walk rate it should be 106/9 vs L and 76/6 vs R. I used PA to determine Nomars walk rate. Had I used AB, hed actually be a 5 in walks vs R and L. Just a heads up.<hr></blockquote>

So since he was in such a great lineup in Cleveland and had so much protection should I discount those years, since I am supposed to up his figures because he had no protection in Boston? Just wondering. I will move his vsL avg to an 8 but I don't think it should be a 9.

I Am The Game · 03-07-2002, 08:02 PM

[quote]Originally posted by CBLCardinals:
Barry Bonds A Speed, B Stealing ability? he stole like 13 bases last year.
QB]<hr></blockquote>
Maybe I can help shed a little light, I don't know exactly why Rolen gave him these.
I think Bonds should have a B in speed A in Steal, but still.
He really does have a B for Speed in real life, and is A (well, maybe a B but hes borderline) in stealing. You can't give him a D-D because he shouldn't steal that much. He does deserve B-A based on his talents. That's just an OOTP thing if he steals 40 bases and he only stole 13 in the reg season.

IronMan2632 · 03-07-2002, 09:14 PM

Don't know if it's been mentioned or not, but Rey Sanchez is on the Orioles, even though he is on the Red Sox. Didn't check Boston's roster, maybe he's there too.

Also, off the top of my head, one of the O's top pitching prospects is underrated, I'm pretty sure it's Richard Stahl, who is probably the Orioles top prospect, and has the most potential to be a top of the rotation starter for them.

CBL-Commish · 03-08-2002, 01:44 AM

[quote]Originally posted by IronMan2632:
Don't know if it's been mentioned or not, but Rey Sanchez is on the Orioles, even though he is on the Red Sox. Didn't check Boston's roster, maybe he's there too.

Also, off the top of my head, one of the O's top pitching prospects is underrated, I'm pretty sure it's Richard Stahl, who is probably the Orioles top prospect, and has the most potential to be a top of the rotation starter for them.<hr></blockquote>

I've mentioned the underrating of O's prospects earlier in the thread, but just to reiterate: In my league all of the O's first/second rounders including Bryan Bass (who had a very good 1st pro season), and most of their pitching prospects (Stahl, Bauer, Chris Smith), have been stuck in A ball, struggling terribly through the '03 season. Probably need to tweak their potentials a little.
The O's do have a pretty barren system in real life, but BA, Prospectus, ESPN, all tend to agree these pitchers are the real deal.

I think Sanchez was a computer manager/GM signing - it's in the transactions. I just released him - turn off financials momentarily to get around the money issue.

Erich Ingram · 03-08-2002, 01:57 AM

[quote]Originally posted by IronMan2632:
Don't know if it's been mentioned or not, but Rey Sanchez is on the Orioles, even though he is on the Red Sox. Didn't check Boston's roster, maybe he's there too.

Also, off the top of my head, one of the O's top pitching prospects is underrated, I'm pretty sure it's Richard Stahl, who is probably the Orioles top prospect, and has the most potential to be a top of the rotation starter for them.<hr></blockquote>

The Sanchez thing was taken care of. He was in the free agent pool and when I went to sign him to the Red Sox the night before the release of the file, I didn't switch teams when signing him and Baltimore was the default team on the free agent page so that is why he is there. It was adjusted the next day when I realized my bufoonery.

zeus9800 · 03-08-2002, 04:26 AM

The only thing I really noticed, aside from a few small changes in ratings, which I'm sure most of them have been suggested here, was the team leader/clutch player thing. I'm not sure if this was even looked at, or if it actually even makes a difference in the game(I assume it does, otherwise why would it be there) but some of the known leaders have no leadership ability At all, and some of the people who do puzzle me...same with cluthc performance, but there isn't nearly as many of those that are off.

Couple of the loyaltys appeared to be off also, and play for winner. But nothing major. Again, that stuff may not have even been looked at in the first place.

Sorry if someone else has mentioned it, I just read the posts quickly so I may have skipped over it.

southpawsean · 03-08-2002, 11:39 PM

I know this will sound bias coming from a Cubs fan, but I think a few of there ratings were off.

Like someone mentioned earlier I believe

Roosevelt Brown - was underated. He has been a top prospect in the Cubs organization for years and played pretty well toward the end of the year last year.

Corey Patterson - He has been one of the top prospects in the minors for a couple years. His speed was a C though, this kid ran a 4.4 forty when he was drafted. Also his range seemed a bit low. He is so fast he covers alot of ground in Center and is regarded as a very good fielder. That is why he will be the opening day starter for the Cubs, because they need someone to cover the ground Alou and Sosa give up.

John Lieber - I believe his durability should be higher. He has pitched well over 200 innings every year for the past 3 years and never gets hurt. He is a workhorse, and I believe his ratings were fairly low for a 20 game winner.

Tom Gordon - He is very injury prone. Prolly need to move that toward more injurie, he just hurt himself again and is out 3 months. He has lost some velocity since his surgery too.

Kyle Farnsworth - Velocity is too low. He has been clocked at over a 100 routinely last year. Same for Matt Anderson of the Tigers, he was fairly low, and I heard he is hardest thrower in the league.

Todd Hundley - Is horrible!

MINOR LEAGUERS

Mark Prior - Seems like he isn't even close to Major League ready. Many reports I've read have him as a 4th or 5th starter in the Cubs rotation by mid season. He played all 4 years of college and is very mature and has been touted as the best college pitcher ever.

Ben Christenson - He is in single A in the game and rated pretty much as a lifer in the minors. He is supposed to get the call up this year and is actually one of the better prospects in baseball. If you remember he was drafted later in the first round of the amateur draft a few years ago because he beaned some kid in the on deck circle in college. He was injured last year so his stats were hampered.

David Kelton - Too highly rated, he is still few years away.

Bobby Hill - He is rated very low also. He may win the starting job at second this spring training.

Carlos Zambrano - Also think could have gotten more credit. Has a very high cieling the Cubs say and showed some signs of greatness in limited roles in the majors last year as a 19 year old.

Juan Cruz - Same as above. He was sensational last season in the majors for the Cubs. They called him Pedro Jr.

Hee Sop Choi - He is underated. He is supposed to be a star at first soon for the Cubs. His poor stats last year in Triple A was due to a very bad wrist he had. Also Zuleta may be a little overrated.

I do want to thank you though for the rosters they are wonderful. I just felt like pointing out a few things I saw and maybe others did too. The Cubs are rated the #1 minor league system in the league and it just seemed like they didn't have many prospects.

brendanrfoley · 03-09-2002, 05:13 AM

I have a request - could you look into Pedro Martinez's performance?

I've simmed two seasons and the man is only averaging 6.2 innings per start with an ERA close to 4.

Now, it may be a glitch or just one of those things, but the man is dominating. I understand that he is injury prone, but when he is in there, is is without a doubt the best pitcher in baseball.

Thanks dude - can't wait to see the Rolen/Total Minors set!

Erich Ingram · 03-09-2002, 06:09 AM

[quote]Originally posted by brendanrfoley:
I have a request - could you look into Pedro Martinez's performance?

I've simmed two seasons and the man is only averaging 6.2 innings per start with an ERA close to 4.

Now, it may be a glitch or just one of those things, but the man is dominating. I understand that he is injury prone, but when he is in there, is is without a doubt the best pitcher in baseball.

Thanks dude - can't wait to see the Rolen/Total Minors set!<hr></blockquote>

That is surprising because in one season that I simmed Pedro went 24-0 with a 1.11 ERA.

drprestwood · 03-09-2002, 09:52 AM

Nicknames posted here. These are the common nicknames that announcers will actually use, other than Counsell (whose is new) Sasaki (whose is Japanese) and Ortiz (whose is usually in print. Hope this helps...

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Anaheim Angels

Ramon Ortiz
"Li'l Pedro"
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Arizona Diamondbacks

Counsell, Craig
"Rudy"
Gonzalez, Luis
"Gonzo"
Johnson, Randy
"The Big Unit"
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Boston Red Sox

Garces, Rich
"El Guapo"
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Chicago Cubs

McGriff, Fred
"Crime Dog"
Sosa, Sammy
"Slammin' Sammy"
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Chicago White Sox

Thomas, Frank
"The Big Hurt"
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Cincinnati Reds

Griffey Jr., Ken
"Junior"
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Florida Marlins

Raines, Tim
"Rock"
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Los Angeles Dodgers

Nomo, Hideo
"The Tornado"
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Minnesota Twins

Buchanan, Brian
"Buck" Buchanan
Guardado, Eddie
"Everyday Eddie"
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Montreal Expos

Galarraga, Andres
"Big Cat"
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New York Yankees

Clemens, Roger
"The Rocket"
Hernandez, Adrian
"El Duquecito"
Hernandez, Orlando
"El Duque"
Wells, David
"Boomer"
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Seattle Mariners

Sasaki, Kazuhiro
"Daimajin"
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Texas Rangers

Gonzalez, Juan
"Juan Gone"
Rodriguez, Alex
"A-Rod"
Rodriguez, Ivan
"Pudge"
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Scott Vibert · 03-09-2002, 10:22 AM

Anyone else notice that everyone seems to think that their favorite team's top prospects aren't good enough?

I think prespective could be useful in some of these cases and remembering that home town newspapers and team sites (which I'd suspect is where many of us gain our information) can frequently distort the information; and while some of those guys may get the call ups that are being forecasted, who says that the players are ready or will perform to the level of what people hope or expect. For all the hype around Corey Patterson last year, he had a very ordinary (or worse) season. The annals of major league history a strew with stories of "can't miss" prospects who for some reason or another missed.

Maybe it would be more productive if we reviewed the ratings for players not on our favorite (or least favorite) teams with the idea that people are more apt to be more objective in those cases.

dasperp · 03-09-2002, 10:46 AM

My main complaint with the prospects is that many are not as devoloped in the set as they really are. prior is a good example. he usually doesn't make it to the Majors until 2004 or 2005 in my league, but he should be in the Majors by mid-season. Same goes for Juan Cruz, Josh Beckett, Rafael Soriano, and many others.

ELDoro · 03-09-2002, 11:02 AM

things i see wrong that i dont think have been mentioned:

Cin C-LaRue,arm is a C, i believe he led catchering in throwing out runners %.

Cin CF-Griffey, i know people have already mentioned his hitting ratings are low but what abotu his arm?? its a C right now...I think it should be an A , atleast a B.

Cin- SS-Olmedo, considered to many as being as good defensivly as Vizquel

Det LF-Dmitri Young, has an A for range in LF,lol, hes a better fielder than he looks but hes still no where near an A, probably C.

* these probably stood out most to me because I'm a reds fan

Plus others things that have been mentioned such as Hampton , Top prospects,and ect

*rolen, just wanted ya to know I'm not complaining ......your roster set is the best

drprestwood · 03-09-2002, 02:56 PM

I agree with the prospect complaint. If you're going to make suggestions about prospects, try to add some factual information about performance etc to back it up.

I'm guilty of the same, but I research national media to come to my conclusions about players on my hometown team.

An aside--Rolen, are you also going to correct salaries? I can provide the Twins if you are.

Specs · 03-09-2002, 03:05 PM

OOTP has some thing where like only the first capital letter is capitalized, as in Slow joe Doyle.

Erich Ingram · 03-09-2002, 03:15 PM

salaries is something that is on the horizon. I am waiting for the yearly Baseball Weekly that lists the salaries for all players. If anyone has created a spreadsheet that has all the players by team and the years and $ for their salary, then please let me know and will get it updated.

DHS23 · 03-09-2002, 03:26 PM

These are straight from memory since I edited them myself when I saw the errors. I noticed these in the first version released, so if they're fixed, ignore them.

Andres Galarraga (FA, now MTL) was listed as 26 years old. His real b-day is 6-18-1961.

Jerome Williams (SF) was vastly underrated. I think it listed him as an average prospect, while in reality he's one of the top prospects. I believe I just upped his talent levels on (sometimes two) notches.

Erich Ingram · 03-09-2002, 03:28 PM

Galarraga had the correct DOB but the game was reading it wrong. Jerome Williams should be the top Prospect for the Giants

Erich Ingram · 03-09-2002, 04:19 PM

Just a littly FYI. I am presently playing a career and I have not made any changes to Freddy Garcia but he is 14-5 with a 2.83 ERA. Just goes to show you that players can still perform with the ratings I give them.

He just won again and lowered his ERA to 2.70 with a 15-5 record.

Well he finished the season 17-8 with a 3.23 ERA and oh yeah he threw a No-Hitter during the year. This is why you need to play the game some before going out and complaining that a player is incorrectly ranked.

For you guys who are unhappy by Beckett and Prior. Beckett was 3rd in the majors in K's in 2002 behind only Pedro and Schilling. Prior is presently leading the majors in wins in 2003 with 5 in April.

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Anonyomous Ghost · 03-09-2002, 08:33 PM

Rolen,

First off, thanks for all your hard work on the OOTP roster stuff. Its awesome and greatly appreciated.

At <a href="http://www.geocities.com/anonymousghost2002/2002salary.xls" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/anonymousghost2002/2002salary.xls</a> you can find an Excel spreadsheet with up-to-date 2002 salary data for 536 players, as well as the length of their contracts. You mentioned on the boards that you were interested in that. I put together the spreadsheet based on data that I found on this <a href="http://www.bluemanc.demon.co.uk/baseball/mlb/mlbcona.htm" target="_blank">site</a>.

A couple of notes about these calculations and how I interpreted the data:

First, the amount of salary of a contract can vary greatly from year-to-year. For example, Bonds' contract calls for $90 million over 5 years. However, the schedule for the payments is not consistent:
2002: $13m
2003: $13m
2004: $16m
2005: $20m
2006: $18m
To the best of my knowledge, there's no way to integrate that into OOTP. So on the spreadsheet, I put his contract at the annual average ($18m) for five years.

Second, if a player is in the midst of a multi-year contract with a variable schedule for payment, I calculated his annual average based on the years remaining and the balance owed, not the entire value of the contract. For example, the contract that Robb Nen signed in September of 2000 called for $32.5m over 4 years with a schedule as follows:
2001: $6.3m (plus $0.6m signing bonus)
2002: $8.0m
2003: $8.6m
2004: $9.0m
$32.5m/4 is $8.125m; however, from 2002 onward a balance of $25.6m is owed over 3 years, therefore I calculated his salary as being $8.533m over three years.

Third, I ignored all option years and performance based incentives (ie, $50,000 for making the All Star team). Again, I don't believe there is a way to add that feature in the game.

Fourth, I included in the average annual salary calculation any cost for a club to buyout an option on a player's contract. The most drastic example that this had was on Roger Clemens, whose
contract is constructed as follows:
2001: $7.8m (plus $5m signing bonus over 2 years)
2002: $7.8m
2003: Player option for $10.3m or $10.3m buyout
2004: Team option $7.2m
Clemens' is pretty complex. The actual amount owed to him is his base $7.8m salary, but in addition half of the signing bonus ($2.5m) is applied. Finally, the buyout for the following year adds $10.3m (ie, doubles the value of the contract), for a total of $20.6m for 2002. And he's a free agent after 2002. Again, the short-comings of OOTP's financial system precludes the possibility of assigning payroll costs after a player leaves the team, so the buyout has to be included as part of the last year of the player's contract.

Unfortunately, by making these approximations the salaries that the players will get will likely not match what you'd find in Baseball Weekly or on ESPN.com. But I think that they're more accurate, within the context of a somewhat limited options for designing contracts. Please consider integrating these numbers as part of your next set of roster files.

03-07-2002, 06:08 PM	#61
Erich Ingram Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 2,217	[quote]Originally posted by troy: <strong>Im going to argue on Manny Ramirez again, as he is robbed. I took his 3 year averages and you may be surprised. Ratings on the right. VS L .372 9 42hrs 11 127 11 44 doubles 8 VS R .317 7 46hr 11 88bb 7 35 doubles 6 You have him as a 7 6 in hits which is robbery I think his walk rate is too low as well. He drew close to 100 walks last year, and had no protection to speak of. I didnt really make a strong case for him like I did Nomar, so there are his true 550 AB splits. Walks may be off, since ootp uses AB rather than PA to determine "averages". If you used PA to determine the walk rate it should be 106/9 vs L and 76/6 vs R. I used PA to determine Nomars walk rate. Had I used AB, hed actually be a 5 in walks vs R and L. Just a heads up.</strong><hr></blockquote> So since he was in such a great lineup in Cleveland and had so much protection should I discount those years, since I am supposed to up his figures because he had no protection in Boston? Just wondering. I will move his vsL avg to an 8 but I don't think it should be a 9. __________________ Erich Ingram (Rolen17) IOSBL San Diego Aztecs 2010, 2012,2013, 2014 World Series Champions Maelstrom Padres 2026 World Champions eMLB Washington Nationals

03-08-2002, 01:44 AM	#64
CBL-Commish All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,999	[quote]Originally posted by IronMan2632: <strong>Don't know if it's been mentioned or not, but Rey Sanchez is on the Orioles, even though he is on the Red Sox. Didn't check Boston's roster, maybe he's there too. Also, off the top of my head, one of the O's top pitching prospects is underrated, I'm pretty sure it's Richard Stahl, who is probably the Orioles top prospect, and has the most potential to be a top of the rotation starter for them.</strong><hr></blockquote> I've mentioned the underrating of O's prospects earlier in the thread, but just to reiterate: In my league all of the O's first/second rounders including Bryan Bass (who had a very good 1st pro season), and most of their pitching prospects (Stahl, Bauer, Chris Smith), have been stuck in A ball, struggling terribly through the '03 season. Probably need to tweak their potentials a little. The O's do have a pretty barren system in real life, but BA, Prospectus, ESPN, all tend to agree these pitchers are the real deal. I think Sanchez was a computer manager/GM signing - it's in the transactions. I just released him - turn off financials momentarily to get around the money issue. __________________ For the best in O's news: Orioles' Hangout.com

03-08-2002, 01:57 AM	#65
Erich Ingram Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 2,217	[quote]Originally posted by IronMan2632: <strong>Don't know if it's been mentioned or not, but Rey Sanchez is on the Orioles, even though he is on the Red Sox. Didn't check Boston's roster, maybe he's there too. Also, off the top of my head, one of the O's top pitching prospects is underrated, I'm pretty sure it's Richard Stahl, who is probably the Orioles top prospect, and has the most potential to be a top of the rotation starter for them.</strong><hr></blockquote> The Sanchez thing was taken care of. He was in the free agent pool and when I went to sign him to the Red Sox the night before the release of the file, I didn't switch teams when signing him and Baltimore was the default team on the free agent page so that is why he is there. It was adjusted the next day when I realized my bufoonery. __________________ Erich Ingram (Rolen17) IOSBL San Diego Aztecs 2010, 2012,2013, 2014 World Series Champions Maelstrom Padres 2026 World Champions eMLB Washington Nationals

03-09-2002, 06:09 AM	#69
Erich Ingram Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 2,217	[quote]Originally posted by brendanrfoley: <strong>I have a request - could you look into Pedro Martinez's performance? I've simmed two seasons and the man is only averaging 6.2 innings per start with an ERA close to 4. Now, it may be a glitch or just one of those things, but the man is dominating. I understand that he is injury prone, but when he is in there, is is without a doubt the best pitcher in baseball. Thanks dude - can't wait to see the Rolen/Total Minors set!</strong><hr></blockquote> That is surprising because in one season that I simmed Pedro went 24-0 with a 1.11 ERA. __________________ Erich Ingram (Rolen17) IOSBL San Diego Aztecs 2010, 2012,2013, 2014 World Series Champions Maelstrom Padres 2026 World Champions eMLB Washington Nationals

03-09-2002, 11:02 AM	#73
ELDoro All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 535	things i see wrong that i dont think have been mentioned: Cin C-LaRue,arm is a C, i believe he led catchering in throwing out runners %. Cin CF-Griffey, i know people have already mentioned his hitting ratings are low but what abotu his arm?? its a C right now...I think it should be an A , atleast a B. Cin- SS-Olmedo, considered to many as being as good defensivly as Vizquel Det LF-Dmitri Young, has an A for range in LF,lol, hes a better fielder than he looks but hes still no where near an A, probably C. * these probably stood out most to me because I'm a reds fan Plus others things that have been mentioned such as Hampton , Top prospects,and ect *rolen, just wanted ya to know I'm not complaining ......your roster set is the best __________________ MLNB Commish: https://statsplus.net/mlnb/

03-07-2002, 08:02 PM	#62
I Am The Game All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Red Sox Nation Posts: 691	[quote]Originally posted by CBLCardinals: Barry Bonds A Speed, B Stealing ability? he stole like 13 bases last year. QB]<hr></blockquote> Maybe I can help shed a little light, I don't know exactly why Rolen gave him these. I think Bonds should have a B in speed A in Steal, but still. He really does have a B for Speed in real life, and is A (well, maybe a B but hes borderline) in stealing. You can't give him a D-D because he shouldn't steal that much. He does deserve B-A based on his talents. That's just an OOTP thing if he steals 40 bases and he only stole 13 in the reg season.

03-07-2002, 09:14 PM	#63
IronMan2632 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: NJ Posts: 37	Don't know if it's been mentioned or not, but Rey Sanchez is on the Orioles, even though he is on the Red Sox. Didn't check Boston's roster, maybe he's there too. Also, off the top of my head, one of the O's top pitching prospects is underrated, I'm pretty sure it's Richard Stahl, who is probably the Orioles top prospect, and has the most potential to be a top of the rotation starter for them.

03-08-2002, 04:26 AM	#66
zeus9800 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Masury, OH Posts: 45	The only thing I really noticed, aside from a few small changes in ratings, which I'm sure most of them have been suggested here, was the team leader/clutch player thing. I'm not sure if this was even looked at, or if it actually even makes a difference in the game(I assume it does, otherwise why would it be there) but some of the known leaders have no leadership ability At all, and some of the people who do puzzle me...same with cluthc performance, but there isn't nearly as many of those that are off. Couple of the loyaltys appeared to be off also, and play for winner. But nothing major. Again, that stuff may not have even been looked at in the first place. Sorry if someone else has mentioned it, I just read the posts quickly so I may have skipped over it.

03-08-2002, 11:39 PM	#67
southpawsean Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Winona, MN Posts: 40	I know this will sound bias coming from a Cubs fan, but I think a few of there ratings were off. Like someone mentioned earlier I believe Roosevelt Brown - was underated. He has been a top prospect in the Cubs organization for years and played pretty well toward the end of the year last year. Corey Patterson - He has been one of the top prospects in the minors for a couple years. His speed was a C though, this kid ran a 4.4 forty when he was drafted. Also his range seemed a bit low. He is so fast he covers alot of ground in Center and is regarded as a very good fielder. That is why he will be the opening day starter for the Cubs, because they need someone to cover the ground Alou and Sosa give up. John Lieber - I believe his durability should be higher. He has pitched well over 200 innings every year for the past 3 years and never gets hurt. He is a workhorse, and I believe his ratings were fairly low for a 20 game winner. Tom Gordon - He is very injury prone. Prolly need to move that toward more injurie, he just hurt himself again and is out 3 months. He has lost some velocity since his surgery too. Kyle Farnsworth - Velocity is too low. He has been clocked at over a 100 routinely last year. Same for Matt Anderson of the Tigers, he was fairly low, and I heard he is hardest thrower in the league. Todd Hundley - Is horrible! MINOR LEAGUERS Mark Prior - Seems like he isn't even close to Major League ready. Many reports I've read have him as a 4th or 5th starter in the Cubs rotation by mid season. He played all 4 years of college and is very mature and has been touted as the best college pitcher ever. Ben Christenson - He is in single A in the game and rated pretty much as a lifer in the minors. He is supposed to get the call up this year and is actually one of the better prospects in baseball. If you remember he was drafted later in the first round of the amateur draft a few years ago because he beaned some kid in the on deck circle in college. He was injured last year so his stats were hampered. David Kelton - Too highly rated, he is still few years away. Bobby Hill - He is rated very low also. He may win the starting job at second this spring training. Carlos Zambrano - Also think could have gotten more credit. Has a very high cieling the Cubs say and showed some signs of greatness in limited roles in the majors last year as a 19 year old. Juan Cruz - Same as above. He was sensational last season in the majors for the Cubs. They called him Pedro Jr. Hee Sop Choi - He is underated. He is supposed to be a star at first soon for the Cubs. His poor stats last year in Triple A was due to a very bad wrist he had. Also Zuleta may be a little overrated. I do want to thank you though for the rosters they are wonderful. I just felt like pointing out a few things I saw and maybe others did too. The Cubs are rated the #1 minor league system in the league and it just seemed like they didn't have many prospects.

03-09-2002, 05:13 AM	#68
brendanrfoley Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 65	I have a request - could you look into Pedro Martinez's performance? I've simmed two seasons and the man is only averaging 6.2 innings per start with an ERA close to 4. Now, it may be a glitch or just one of those things, but the man is dominating. I understand that he is injury prone, but when he is in there, is is without a doubt the best pitcher in baseball. Thanks dude - can't wait to see the Rolen/Total Minors set!

03-09-2002, 09:52 AM	#70
drprestwood All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,501	Nicknames posted here. These are the common nicknames that announcers will actually use, other than Counsell (whose is new) Sasaki (whose is Japanese) and Ortiz (whose is usually in print. Hope this helps... -------------------- Anaheim Angels Ramon Ortiz "Li'l Pedro" -------------------- Arizona Diamondbacks Counsell, Craig "Rudy" Gonzalez, Luis "Gonzo" Johnson, Randy "The Big Unit" -------------------- Boston Red Sox Garces, Rich "El Guapo" -------------------- Chicago Cubs McGriff, Fred "Crime Dog" Sosa, Sammy "Slammin' Sammy" -------------------- Chicago White Sox Thomas, Frank "The Big Hurt" -------------------- Cincinnati Reds Griffey Jr., Ken "Junior" -------------------- Florida Marlins Raines, Tim "Rock" -------------------- Los Angeles Dodgers Nomo, Hideo "The Tornado" -------------------- Minnesota Twins Buchanan, Brian "Buck" Buchanan Guardado, Eddie "Everyday Eddie" -------------------- Montreal Expos Galarraga, Andres "Big Cat" -------------------- New York Yankees Clemens, Roger "The Rocket" Hernandez, Adrian "El Duquecito" Hernandez, Orlando "El Duque" Wells, David "Boomer" -------------------- Seattle Mariners Sasaki, Kazuhiro "Daimajin" -------------------- Texas Rangers Gonzalez, Juan "Juan Gone" Rodriguez, Alex "A-Rod" Rodriguez, Ivan "Pudge" --------------------

03-09-2002, 10:22 AM	#71
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,267	Anyone else notice that everyone seems to think that their favorite team's top prospects aren't good enough? I think prespective could be useful in some of these cases and remembering that home town newspapers and team sites (which I'd suspect is where many of us gain our information) can frequently distort the information; and while some of those guys may get the call ups that are being forecasted, who says that the players are ready or will perform to the level of what people hope or expect. For all the hype around Corey Patterson last year, he had a very ordinary (or worse) season. The annals of major league history a strew with stories of "can't miss" prospects who for some reason or another missed. Maybe it would be more productive if we reviewed the ratings for players not on our favorite (or least favorite) teams with the idea that people are more apt to be more objective in those cases.

03-09-2002, 10:46 AM	#72
dasperp Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 61	My main complaint with the prospects is that many are not as devoloped in the set as they really are. prior is a good example. he usually doesn't make it to the Majors until 2004 or 2005 in my league, but he should be in the Majors by mid-season. Same goes for Juan Cruz, Josh Beckett, Rafael Soriano, and many others.

03-09-2002, 02:56 PM	#74
drprestwood All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,501	I agree with the prospect complaint. If you're going to make suggestions about prospects, try to add some factual information about performance etc to back it up. I'm guilty of the same, but I research national media to come to my conclusions about players on my hometown team. An aside--Rolen, are you also going to correct salaries? I can provide the Twins if you are.

03-09-2002, 03:15 PM	#76
Erich Ingram Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 2,217	salaries is something that is on the horizon. I am waiting for the yearly Baseball Weekly that lists the salaries for all players. If anyone has created a spreadsheet that has all the players by team and the years and $ for their salary, then please let me know and will get it updated. __________________ Erich Ingram (Rolen17) IOSBL San Diego Aztecs 2010, 2012,2013, 2014 World Series Champions Maelstrom Padres 2026 World Champions eMLB Washington Nationals

03-09-2002, 03:26 PM	#77
DHS23 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 506	These are straight from memory since I edited them myself when I saw the errors. I noticed these in the first version released, so if they're fixed, ignore them. Andres Galarraga (FA, now MTL) was listed as 26 years old. His real b-day is 6-18-1961. Jerome Williams (SF) was vastly underrated. I think it listed him as an average prospect, while in reality he's one of the top prospects. I believe I just upped his talent levels on (sometimes two) notches.

03-09-2002, 03:28 PM	#78
Erich Ingram Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 2,217	Galarraga had the correct DOB but the game was reading it wrong. Jerome Williams should be the top Prospect for the Giants __________________ Erich Ingram (Rolen17) IOSBL San Diego Aztecs 2010, 2012,2013, 2014 World Series Champions Maelstrom Padres 2026 World Champions eMLB Washington Nationals

03-09-2002, 04:19 PM	#79
Erich Ingram Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 2,217	Just a littly FYI. I am presently playing a career and I have not made any changes to Freddy Garcia but he is 14-5 with a 2.83 ERA. Just goes to show you that players can still perform with the ratings I give them. He just won again and lowered his ERA to 2.70 with a 15-5 record. Well he finished the season 17-8 with a 3.23 ERA and oh yeah he threw a No-Hitter during the year. This is why you need to play the game some before going out and complaining that a player is incorrectly ranked. For you guys who are unhappy by Beckett and Prior. Beckett was 3rd in the majors in K's in 2002 behind only Pedro and Schilling. Prior is presently leading the majors in wins in 2003 with 5 in April. [ March 09, 2002: Message edited by: Rolen17 ] [ March 10, 2002: Message edited by: Rolen17 ] [ March 10, 2002: Message edited by: Rolen17 ]</p> __________________ Erich Ingram (Rolen17) IOSBL San Diego Aztecs 2010, 2012,2013, 2014 World Series Champions Maelstrom Padres 2026 World Champions eMLB Washington Nationals

03-09-2002, 08:33 PM	#80
Anonyomous Ghost Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 4	Rolen, First off, thanks for all your hard work on the OOTP roster stuff. Its awesome and greatly appreciated. At <a href="http://www.geocities.com/anonymousghost2002/2002salary.xls" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/anonymousghost2002/2002salary.xls</a> you can find an Excel spreadsheet with up-to-date 2002 salary data for 536 players, as well as the length of their contracts. You mentioned on the boards that you were interested in that. I put together the spreadsheet based on data that I found on this <a href="http://www.bluemanc.demon.co.uk/baseball/mlb/mlbcona.htm" target="_blank">site</a>. A couple of notes about these calculations and how I interpreted the data: First, the amount of salary of a contract can vary greatly from year-to-year. For example, Bonds' contract calls for $90 million over 5 years. However, the schedule for the payments is not consistent: 2002: $13m 2003: $13m 2004: $16m 2005: $20m 2006: $18m To the best of my knowledge, there's no way to integrate that into OOTP. So on the spreadsheet, I put his contract at the annual average ($18m) for five years. Second, if a player is in the midst of a multi-year contract with a variable schedule for payment, I calculated his annual average based on the years remaining and the balance owed, not the entire value of the contract. For example, the contract that Robb Nen signed in September of 2000 called for $32.5m over 4 years with a schedule as follows: 2001: $6.3m (plus $0.6m signing bonus) 2002: $8.0m 2003: $8.6m 2004: $9.0m $32.5m/4 is $8.125m; however, from 2002 onward a balance of $25.6m is owed over 3 years, therefore I calculated his salary as being $8.533m over three years. Third, I ignored all option years and performance based incentives (ie, $50,000 for making the All Star team). Again, I don't believe there is a way to add that feature in the game. Fourth, I included in the average annual salary calculation any cost for a club to buyout an option on a player's contract. The most drastic example that this had was on Roger Clemens, whose contract is constructed as follows: 2001: $7.8m (plus $5m signing bonus over 2 years) 2002: $7.8m 2003: Player option for $10.3m or $10.3m buyout 2004: Team option $7.2m Clemens' is pretty complex. The actual amount owed to him is his base $7.8m salary, but in addition half of the signing bonus ($2.5m) is applied. Finally, the buyout for the following year adds $10.3m (ie, doubles the value of the contract), for a total of $20.6m for 2002. And he's a free agent after 2002. Again, the short-comings of OOTP's financial system precludes the possibility of assigning payroll costs after a player leaves the team, so the buyout has to be included as part of the last year of the player's contract. Unfortunately, by making these approximations the salaries that the players will get will likely not match what you'd find in Baseball Weekly or on ESPN.com. But I think that they're more accurate, within the context of a somewhat limited options for designing contracts. Please consider integrating these numbers as part of your next set of roster files.