Rate your GM - Page 4

Skipaway · 03-09-2004, 09:22 PM

Another view.

Division total W-total L

2000
AL E -12
AL C 10
AL W 23

2001
AL E -42
AL C -30
AL W 84

2002
AL E -16
AL C -76
AL W 86

2003
AL E 22
AL C -70
AL W 26

The AL central is just not the same without the dominating Indians.

SoxWin · 03-09-2004, 09:31 PM

Thanks for the threadjack !!!!

draven085 · 03-09-2004, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mlyons
I agree that it's too early to tell on any of his recent pitching acquisitions -- they could pan out to be great, or they could be busts. We won't be able to tell until the end of this season about Williamson/Kim/Schilling/Foulke. My point was that it isn't really a good idea to use them as examples of Epstein judging pitching yet.

(BTW, to say 20 innings aren't enough to judge a pitcher's performance after raving about the 10 or so he pitched in the playoffs seems a little odd.)

1. Agreed, although the odds are that all will be good pitchers.

2. I was being facetious

Skipaway · 03-09-2004, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SoxWin
Thanks for the threadjack !!!!

Well, you know my stance on this thread.

Actually I'm suspecting the populist approach was only a plot to please more potential roster users.

SoxWin · 03-09-2004, 09:51 PM

Yes I do, and yes it was

Also, I'm awfully lazy.

Mazeroski · 03-27-2004, 11:56 PM

Guys,
2 GM ratings for you:

For Pittsburgh: Dave Littlefield: I would say for hitters that he rates about a 4.5, due to the fact as someone said earlier that he keeps signing older players that take playing time away from Craig Wilson. Although, if Jason Bay pans out, he could be a decent outfielder for years to come for them.
On the pitching side, I would rate Dave Littlefield a 6.5, as the Todd Ritchie trade to the White Sox a few years ago gave them Kip Wells, who could be a front line starter if the Pirates would give him better offensive support and a better bullpen, and Josh Fogg, who still might turn things around.
Now, admittably, the Pirates still have a long way to go, however, I still would have to say that Dave Littlefield is a much better GM than Cam Bonifay. Which leads me to my next GM rating

Chuck LaMar: Tampa Bay Devil Rays: I would have to say that Chuck LaMar has assembled a slightly above average offensive staff with players such as Rocco Baldelli, Carl Crawford, Aubrey Huff, etc. And it looks like Piniella is doing a decent job getting some hustle from them. So on the hitters side, I would rate them a 6.8 (almost a 7, but not quite there yet, as to allow for the development of the rookies.)
However, the pitching here is a joke. Who do the Devil Rays have for their starting staff. Zambrano, Waechter, and Brazelton are the three I can think of off of the top of my head. For the bullpen, we have Carter, Baez, and not much else for talent, so I would rate Chuck LaMars ability to scout pitchers at about a 3.
However, I do look for more trouble with the Devil Rays in the future. The Devil Rays have Cam Bonifay as the director of player personnel here now. While Bonifay was the GM of the Pirates, he signed Pat Meares, and Derek Bell to pricey free agent signings (the Pirates are still paying for these), and also signed ridiculous contracts with players that really do not make a huge difference, such as Kevin Young, etc.
Anyhow, I've rambled on enough, its just I know that these teams could do well if they would look at the success of other small market teams, build through the youth, and just sign your quality free agents, and not ones that are just names to put people in the stands.
Thank you,
Jay Conley

03-09-2004, 09:22 PM	#61
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	Another view. Division total W-total L 2000 AL E -12 AL C 10 AL W 23 2001 AL E -42 AL C -30 AL W 84 2002 AL E -16 AL C -76 AL W 86 2003 AL E 22 AL C -70 AL W 26 The AL central is just not the same without the dominating Indians. __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

03-09-2004, 09:31 PM	#62
SoxWin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Blissful ignorance Posts: 3,315	Thanks for the threadjack !!!! __________________ It's called partying. When you do a lot of it, you're bound to be places where the police show up. I smoke a lot of pot and drink a lot of beer. I also graduated Suma Cum Laude. ****ing sue me. - Luis Rivera

03-09-2004, 09:51 PM	#65
SoxWin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Blissful ignorance Posts: 3,315	Yes I do, and yes it was Also, I'm awfully lazy. __________________ It's called partying. When you do a lot of it, you're bound to be places where the police show up. I smoke a lot of pot and drink a lot of beer. I also graduated Suma Cum Laude. ****ing sue me. - Luis Rivera

03-27-2004, 11:56 PM	#66
Mazeroski Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Riverview, Fl. Posts: 7	Guys, 2 GM ratings for you: For Pittsburgh: Dave Littlefield: I would say for hitters that he rates about a 4.5, due to the fact as someone said earlier that he keeps signing older players that take playing time away from Craig Wilson. Although, if Jason Bay pans out, he could be a decent outfielder for years to come for them. On the pitching side, I would rate Dave Littlefield a 6.5, as the Todd Ritchie trade to the White Sox a few years ago gave them Kip Wells, who could be a front line starter if the Pirates would give him better offensive support and a better bullpen, and Josh Fogg, who still might turn things around. Now, admittably, the Pirates still have a long way to go, however, I still would have to say that Dave Littlefield is a much better GM than Cam Bonifay. Which leads me to my next GM rating Chuck LaMar: Tampa Bay Devil Rays: I would have to say that Chuck LaMar has assembled a slightly above average offensive staff with players such as Rocco Baldelli, Carl Crawford, Aubrey Huff, etc. And it looks like Piniella is doing a decent job getting some hustle from them. So on the hitters side, I would rate them a 6.8 (almost a 7, but not quite there yet, as to allow for the development of the rookies.) However, the pitching here is a joke. Who do the Devil Rays have for their starting staff. Zambrano, Waechter, and Brazelton are the three I can think of off of the top of my head. For the bullpen, we have Carter, Baez, and not much else for talent, so I would rate Chuck LaMars ability to scout pitchers at about a 3. However, I do look for more trouble with the Devil Rays in the future. The Devil Rays have Cam Bonifay as the director of player personnel here now. While Bonifay was the GM of the Pirates, he signed Pat Meares, and Derek Bell to pricey free agent signings (the Pirates are still paying for these), and also signed ridiculous contracts with players that really do not make a huge difference, such as Kevin Young, etc. Anyhow, I've rambled on enough, its just I know that these teams could do well if they would look at the success of other small market teams, build through the youth, and just sign your quality free agents, and not ones that are just names to put people in the stands. Thank you, Jay Conley