CBLCardinals v 1.2 NOW Available! - Page 4

Mike D · 03-05-2004, 01:49 PM

Sorry, your right out of a possible 251 games, Josh has played only 23 games above Single A, where he hit a robust .180 with 22 K's in 89 AB's. He seems to be more concerned with where his next tatoo is going to be than where he'll play. And if you don't believe me about the 23 games, go here http://www.sports-wired.com/players/....asp?Name=FFHG

UD411Flyer · 03-05-2004, 03:53 PM

He clearly struggled in A ball, but look what he did in AA....It's all basically personal opinion. How would doing bad in A ball rule out being good in AA ball?

Mr.Opinion · 03-05-2004, 04:02 PM

just that fact that his head isn't screwed on straight. ;-)...I'm pretty sure that he's number 2 to John Rocker though...

UD411Flyer · 03-05-2004, 04:29 PM

I don't know alot about Hamilton as a human being. This sounds interesting, would anyone care to get into details?

Mike D · 03-05-2004, 06:50 PM

No, your reading it wrong UD. Orlando is AA, everything else is A and below. He didn't want to play baseball for a time a year or two ago. He said he wasn't that intrested, and I believe it was when he was trying to come back from a knee injury. So, he took all of last year off.

CBLCardinals · 03-05-2004, 09:33 PM

UD,

Hamilton is still rated a 3 star prospect in my set; which in my opinion is VERY generous for a former elite prospect not even on the radar screen in MLB 2004. He has ratings of AGAAA, which should generate a player that hits .260-280, 32+ doubles, 20+ HR, 50+ BB, 100+ Ks. 3 Star is appx B- on the prospect scale I discussed earlier in this post.

Also guys dont jump the gun on prospects in general; Im currently going through John Sickels book and editing them as I go. If you don't agree with my assessment, by all means CHANGE it to what you want! In the end, I'll assess near 1,000 prospects plus nearly 700-900 MLB players. As usual, not everyone will agree with ratings/talents. Version 1.2 ONLY has splits for players on the 25 active roster (in general, some of the AAA ball guys are too....)

As for Badelli, yes he is a very good player (4 Stars is appx B+ out of my A thru C- scale)

His ratings are GGAFA, with VERY good defense (B), and good arm (B); this in addition to GREAT speed (A), and very good stealing ability (B). He should hit over .300, with 32+ 2b, around 20 Homers, 30+ walks, and strike out in the area of 80-120 times. Seems reasonable to me?!?

Not every single good young player in pro ball is a 5 Star prospect; in reality John Sickels only names I believe 9 players as "super elite status" out of the near 1,000 he rates in the book.(aka 5 Star)
Most of the stud prospects will be rated 4-5 stars in the set.

Please understand that I enjoy feedback, but cannot alter every single player someone "thinks" should be something else! If I did that, the roster set would never be finished!!!!

Kelric · 03-06-2004, 10:45 AM

I'm anxiously awaiting this roster set, thanks for putting the time into it. I'm sure we'll disagree on several players but as you said it is easy enough for me to go in and edit them myself.

Phanatix · 03-06-2004, 10:25 PM

CBL - Question on the Prospects you are entering now.

Are they going to be assigned to the various teams, or be placed in the FA pool?

Is there any way to introduce these players into the Amateur draft slowly each season? I think you mentioned that there will be 900+ prospects. I am running an online league, and would like to use these prospects in the amateur drafts over many seasons.

Just a thought. Thanks for all of your hard work!

CBLCardinals · 03-06-2004, 10:49 PM

Phan,

The prospects are placed on their current respective team (and appx level of A,AA, or AAA)

I Am The Game · 03-06-2004, 11:22 PM

Great work CBL. Gotta love that people that go all-out on roster sets like you are.

For the guy on Hamilton: About Bonds on steroids and Bradley a headcase, those guys have major league stats to go by, is what he meant when he said ML ready (or whatever he said), with all prospects (which Hamilton still is) you have to go by what people are projecting of the guy. And frankly right now, he's not even projected to make the major leagues (They don't think the guy cares enough), so 3-star will give him a nice career as a quality 4th OF/decent bottom-of-the-order 3rd OF. You can edit him if you wish to give him more, and if he bounces back with a great first half this year, well then anyone who edits this roster set to the public I'm sure will gladly change his talents.

For the guy about Bonds' ratings: Yes Bonds has had tremendous numbers the last three years, and his 8-18-19 numbers do seem to be way off but you must remember, OOTP bases their ratings on 550ABs. Bonds never receives 550ABs because he walks so much, last year he only got 390ABs, 405 the year before. So he's getting these 85 HR/250BB ratings (or whatever his numbers come out to), because based on 550ABs, that's what he would do. He never reaches those numbers in OOTP, and his age makes him decline anyways.

GODHAN · 03-07-2004, 10:46 PM

CBL Cards is going off the John Sickels book, so if someone really has a problem, e-mail Sickels at johnsickels@aol.com

Also, Hamilton still has good tools, but he hasn't shown he can hit, which is where most of the ratings seem to come in.

Just think, if he shows something in AAA this season, you can have a superstar Hamilton in CBL Roster Set 2005

CBLCardinals · 03-07-2004, 10:58 PM

Hey gang,

Quick update for Sunday night March 7th...

Thus far, the last prospect I edited was Braves rhp Kenny "Bubba" Nelson (page 260 out of 370...getting closer....)

I <I>still</I> hope to keep the release set to Monday, March 15th.

I'll have a better idea depending on how much progress I've made by this weekend.

Keep those fingers crossed!

UD411Flyer · 03-07-2004, 11:02 PM

good work CBL, you can get it out by next week

CBLCardinals · 03-07-2004, 11:17 PM

I hope so!

BESTDJINFL · 03-08-2004, 11:21 AM

CBL U the Man :-)

mkbdoe · 03-08-2004, 10:32 PM

CBL...I keep playing with your set, and I have to say, the more I sim, the more I am impressed with your ratings...

Question though amigo:
Will this roster set be compatible with OOTP6 and the new 0-100 ratings? I guess I can just throw the question out there... Is every roster set going to be compatible with the new ratings... Excuse me, but I know nothing about programming, so to the common man, this seems like it is impossible...Am I wrong?

CBLCardinals · 03-08-2004, 10:57 PM

Mkbdoe,

Thanks for the positive words

You WILL be able to import this set to OOTP6, and the game will randomly assign ratings to things not currently in version 5 (such as infield arm strength, etc.)

It should still feel right; guys like Bonds will still own God-like ratings, etc.

Remember, Version 6 has several different sets of talents/ratings, not just the 0-10 set currently in Version 5. I think there is 1-5, 2-8, 1-10, 1-20, and 1-100.

I'm anxious myself to use this set in Version 6!

GoldenGlove · 03-09-2004, 02:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mkbdoe
CBL...I keep playing with your set, and I have to say, the more I sim, the more I am impressed with your ratings...

Question though amigo:
Will this roster set be compatible with OOTP6 and the new 0-100 ratings? I guess I can just throw the question out there... Is every roster set going to be compatible with the new ratings... Excuse me, but I know nothing about programming, so to the common man, this seems like it is impossible...Am I wrong?

I think once OOTP6 comes out, the best accuracy would be using the 1-100 scale. The ratings will probably be fine, but minor tweaks may be necessary. Also, new ratings would ned to be covered, such as infield arm, etc.

mkbdoe · 03-09-2004, 11:19 PM

CBL...Small question about your set, and I'm not sure if it was intentional, you being what I assume a Cardinal fan, but I noticed in the League Record Book, under HRs, Roger Maris with 61? I know you wouldn't be direspecting my boy Barry now would you? He is innocent until proven guilty my friend...Good luck this season

CBLCardinals · 03-09-2004, 11:44 PM

(click on National League leaders to see Bonds 73)

03-05-2004, 01:49 PM	#61
Mike D Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: In a van, down by the river Posts: 2,804	Sorry, your right out of a possible 251 games, Josh has played only 23 games above Single A, where he hit a robust .180 with 22 K's in 89 AB's. He seems to be more concerned with where his next tatoo is going to be than where he'll play. And if you don't believe me about the 23 games, go here http://www.sports-wired.com/players/....asp?Name=FFHG __________________ Sometimes the best laid plans will never get you laid the way you plan.

03-05-2004, 03:53 PM	#62
UD411Flyer All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 583	He clearly struggled in A ball, but look what he did in AA....It's all basically personal opinion. How would doing bad in A ball rule out being good in AA ball? __________________ Behind The Pl8-Chicago Cubs/Commissioner EIBL-Atlanta Braves/Commissioner NOBSL-Tampa Bay Devil Rays AAA-Sacranton-WB Red Barons ATGC-Orrville Red Riders

03-05-2004, 04:02 PM	#63
Mr.Opinion All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2003 Location: SkiFree Lodge Posts: 883	just that fact that his head isn't screwed on straight. ;-)...I'm pretty sure that he's number 2 to John Rocker though... __________________

03-05-2004, 04:29 PM	#64
UD411Flyer All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 583	I don't know alot about Hamilton as a human being. This sounds interesting, would anyone care to get into details? __________________ Behind The Pl8-Chicago Cubs/Commissioner EIBL-Atlanta Braves/Commissioner NOBSL-Tampa Bay Devil Rays AAA-Sacranton-WB Red Barons ATGC-Orrville Red Riders

03-05-2004, 06:50 PM	#65
Mike D Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: In a van, down by the river Posts: 2,804	No, your reading it wrong UD. Orlando is AA, everything else is A and below. He didn't want to play baseball for a time a year or two ago. He said he wasn't that intrested, and I believe it was when he was trying to come back from a knee injury. So, he took all of last year off. __________________ Sometimes the best laid plans will never get you laid the way you plan.

03-05-2004, 09:33 PM	#66
CBLCardinals OOTP Roster Team Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,072	UD, Hamilton is still rated a 3 star prospect in my set; which in my opinion is VERY generous for a former elite prospect not even on the radar screen in MLB 2004. He has ratings of AGAAA, which should generate a player that hits .260-280, 32+ doubles, 20+ HR, 50+ BB, 100+ Ks. 3 Star is appx B- on the prospect scale I discussed earlier in this post. Also guys dont jump the gun on prospects in general; Im currently going through John Sickels book and editing them as I go. If you don't agree with my assessment, by all means CHANGE it to what you want! In the end, I'll assess near 1,000 prospects plus nearly 700-900 MLB players. As usual, not everyone will agree with ratings/talents. Version 1.2 ONLY has splits for players on the 25 active roster (in general, some of the AAA ball guys are too....) As for Badelli, yes he is a very good player (4 Stars is appx B+ out of my A thru C- scale) His ratings are GGAFA, with VERY good defense (B), and good arm (B); this in addition to GREAT speed (A), and very good stealing ability (B). He should hit over .300, with 32+ 2b, around 20 Homers, 30+ walks, and strike out in the area of 80-120 times. Seems reasonable to me?!? Not every single good young player in pro ball is a 5 Star prospect; in reality John Sickels only names I believe 9 players as "super elite status" out of the near 1,000 he rates in the book.(aka 5 Star) Most of the stud prospects will be rated 4-5 stars in the set. Please understand that I enjoy feedback, but cannot alter every single player someone "thinks" should be something else! If I did that, the roster set would never be finished!!!!

03-06-2004, 10:45 AM	#67
Kelric Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Greater Boston Area Posts: 3,992	I'm anxiously awaiting this roster set, thanks for putting the time into it. I'm sure we'll disagree on several players but as you said it is easy enough for me to go in and edit them myself.

03-06-2004, 10:25 PM	#68
Phanatix Bat Boy Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 19	CBL - Question on the Prospects you are entering now. Are they going to be assigned to the various teams, or be placed in the FA pool? Is there any way to introduce these players into the Amateur draft slowly each season? I think you mentioned that there will be 900+ prospects. I am running an online league, and would like to use these prospects in the amateur drafts over many seasons. Just a thought. Thanks for all of your hard work!

03-06-2004, 10:49 PM	#69
CBLCardinals OOTP Roster Team Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,072	Phan, The prospects are placed on their current respective team (and appx level of A,AA, or AAA)

03-06-2004, 11:22 PM	#70
I Am The Game All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Red Sox Nation Posts: 691	Great work CBL. Gotta love that people that go all-out on roster sets like you are. For the guy on Hamilton: About Bonds on steroids and Bradley a headcase, those guys have major league stats to go by, is what he meant when he said ML ready (or whatever he said), with all prospects (which Hamilton still is) you have to go by what people are projecting of the guy. And frankly right now, he's not even projected to make the major leagues (They don't think the guy cares enough), so 3-star will give him a nice career as a quality 4th OF/decent bottom-of-the-order 3rd OF. You can edit him if you wish to give him more, and if he bounces back with a great first half this year, well then anyone who edits this roster set to the public I'm sure will gladly change his talents. For the guy about Bonds' ratings: Yes Bonds has had tremendous numbers the last three years, and his 8-18-19 numbers do seem to be way off but you must remember, OOTP bases their ratings on 550ABs. Bonds never receives 550ABs because he walks so much, last year he only got 390ABs, 405 the year before. So he's getting these 85 HR/250BB ratings (or whatever his numbers come out to), because based on 550ABs, that's what he would do. He never reaches those numbers in OOTP, and his age makes him decline anyways.

03-07-2004, 10:46 PM	#71
GODHAN Minors (Double A) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: LA, NY Posts: 123	CBL Cards is going off the John Sickels book, so if someone really has a problem, e-mail Sickels at johnsickels@aol.com Also, Hamilton still has good tools, but he hasn't shown he can hit, which is where most of the ratings seem to come in. Just think, if he shows something in AAA this season, you can have a superstar Hamilton in CBL Roster Set 2005 __________________ Dodger Blue Forever LA Dodgers - Stat Geeks Anaheim Angels - Aaron Smart Baseball LA Dodgers - Big League Baseball

03-07-2004, 10:58 PM	#72
CBLCardinals OOTP Roster Team Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,072	Hey gang, Quick update for Sunday night March 7th... Thus far, the last prospect I edited was Braves rhp Kenny "Bubba" Nelson (page 260 out of 370...getting closer....) I <I>still</I> hope to keep the release set to Monday, March 15th. I'll have a better idea depending on how much progress I've made by this weekend. Keep those fingers crossed!

03-07-2004, 11:02 PM	#73
UD411Flyer All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 583	good work CBL, you can get it out by next week __________________ Behind The Pl8-Chicago Cubs/Commissioner EIBL-Atlanta Braves/Commissioner NOBSL-Tampa Bay Devil Rays AAA-Sacranton-WB Red Barons ATGC-Orrville Red Riders

03-07-2004, 11:17 PM	#74
CBLCardinals OOTP Roster Team Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,072	I hope so!

03-08-2004, 11:21 AM	#75
BESTDJINFL Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 307	CBL U the Man :-) __________________ The New BARSL Commish

03-08-2004, 10:32 PM	#76
mkbdoe Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Place where the water tastes like wine....Tucson,AZ Posts: 216	CBL...I keep playing with your set, and I have to say, the more I sim, the more I am impressed with your ratings... Question though amigo: Will this roster set be compatible with OOTP6 and the new 0-100 ratings? I guess I can just throw the question out there... Is every roster set going to be compatible with the new ratings... Excuse me, but I know nothing about programming, so to the common man, this seems like it is impossible...Am I wrong?

03-08-2004, 10:57 PM	#77
CBLCardinals OOTP Roster Team Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,072	Mkbdoe, Thanks for the positive words You WILL be able to import this set to OOTP6, and the game will randomly assign ratings to things not currently in version 5 (such as infield arm strength, etc.) It should still feel right; guys like Bonds will still own God-like ratings, etc. Remember, Version 6 has several different sets of talents/ratings, not just the 0-10 set currently in Version 5. I think there is 1-5, 2-8, 1-10, 1-20, and 1-100. I'm anxious myself to use this set in Version 6!

03-09-2004, 11:19 PM	#79
mkbdoe Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Place where the water tastes like wine....Tucson,AZ Posts: 216	CBL...Small question about your set, and I'm not sure if it was intentional, you being what I assume a Cardinal fan, but I noticed in the League Record Book, under HRs, Roger Maris with 61? I know you wouldn't be direspecting my boy Barry now would you? He is innocent until proven guilty my friend...Good luck this season

03-09-2004, 11:44 PM	#80
CBLCardinals OOTP Roster Team Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,072	(click on National League leaders to see Bonds 73)