Seattle sports thread

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by pilight

Not every draft has a QB worth a high pick, nor are they always immediately apparent. The upcoming Super Bowl will have a mid-first rounder and second rounder starting. Most "experts" thought the first rounder went too high.

You'll get no argument from me. Most drafts are weak at QB. We just find that out in hindsight.

Seattle has the 5th pick. One of the top 3 QBs might fall to them anyway. But the only one I'd take a risk with is Young. They have the means to move up from 5 to 1 provided the Bears stick with Fields. But it's a risk.

[monkeyman576]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

You'll get no argument from me. Most drafts are weak at QB. We just find that out in hindsight.

Seattle has the 5th pick. One of the top 3 QBs might fall to them anyway. But the only one I'd take a risk with is Young. They have the means to move up from 5 to 1 provided the Bears stick with Fields. But it's a risk.

I don't know, Alabama quarterbacks are kind of a mixed bag. Tua hasn't been great so far, Jalen Hurts looks like it was a good pick. Since Alabama is a system team you never know how that is going to translate to the pros.

[pilight]

Hurts got benched at Alabama and had to transfer to make himself a prospect. Saban isn't known for turning out star QBs in the NFL.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

I don't know, Alabama quarterbacks are kind of a mixed bag. Tua hasn't been great so far, Jalen Hurts looks like it was a good pick. Since Alabama is a system team you never know how that is going to translate to the pros.

Hurts is not a good quarterback. We'll see that in the SB. The Eagles have an ideal situation around him. Great offensive line, and great wideouts. He's not a good passer.

The Eagles offense is a great RPO that passes when the defense cheats up for the run. That's all they do, and they haven't been challenged all year. But they'll be challenged in the SB.

[Syd Thrift]

The O line frankly is grossly overrated in terms of supporting QBs. A bad line can sink a young quarterback (like Sam Darnold) and a good line definitely props up - I'd even say creates - a good running game, which in turn can make passing easier, but there's this longstanding myth that sacks are a line thing when usually they're a quarterback thing. Witness the Seahawks last year, who went from being terrible at giving up sacks with Russell Wilson to being more or less middle of the back in spite of replacing their starting tackles, one of whom had an excellent reputation (Duane Brown) with two rookies. Meanwhile, Wilson went to a team with a reputation as having a good O line and was the 2nd highest sacked player in the league (behind Justin Fields).

Hurts is young. He's not a game changer the way a Pat Mahomes is but he works well within a system and that's more than can be said about a lot of guys in the league. And TBH if anyone was going to challenge him defensively, it was going to be San Francisco, not Kansas City, a team who is downright average on defense.

[monkeyman576]

I guess the question is if Bryce Young is comparable to Jalen Hurts(maybe less mobile but better downfield?) is he worth moving up for.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

I guess the question is if Bryce Young is comparable to Jalen Hurts(maybe less mobile but better downfield?) is he worth moving up for.

You don't want a Jalen Hurts type unless you have an ideal situation to run the type of offense the Eagles run. From what I've seen, Bryce is more of a downfield passer. IMO he's the only one in the draft I'd risk moving up for. Problem is, either Chicago is going to draft him, or they're going to want a king's ransom for that pick.

[Syd Thrift]

As funny s it would be, I’m pretty positive Chicago considers that they already have their QBOTF and will almost certainly be trading those picks. And as far as that goes, yeah, they’ll want a king’s ransom… so like the 5th overall and the 19th overall then?

In all honesty I think if Seattle zigs instead of zags this year with the pick, they’ll get into a bidding war with Indianapolis. From there, I hope they lose that war. I think Young would fit well in the offense but not so well that he’s worth multiple seasons of high level draft capital.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

As funny s it would be, I’m pretty positive Chicago considers that they already have their QBOTF and will almost certainly be trading those picks. And as far as that goes, yeah, they’ll want a king’s ransom… so like the 5th overall and the 19th overall then?

In all honesty I think if Seattle zigs instead of zags this year with the pick, they’ll get into a bidding war with Indianapolis. From there, I hope they lose that war. I think Young would fit well in the offense but not so well that he’s worth multiple seasons of high level draft capital.

Based on the point system they often use, Seattle's two first round picks falls short of covering. They'd have to add the 37th pick as well. But what often happens when it comes to the #1 overall pick, it can become a bidding war.

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

Based on the point system they often use, Seattle's two first round picks falls short of covering. They'd have to add the 37th pick as well. But what often happens when it comes to the #1 overall pick, it can become a bidding war.

If this year’s 1st and 2nd was really and truly all it took to get a top tier college QB, I’d make that deal. Also it would be cool to see the Hawks draft 1st overall for the first time in team history.

[monkeyman576]

Seattle is better off making someone else overpay.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

If this year’s 1st and 2nd was really and truly all it took to get a top tier college QB, I’d make that deal. Also it would be cool to see the Hawks draft 1st overall for the first time in team history.

It would take both of Seattle's first round picks plus one of their second rounders. They'd be right in the area according to the draft value chart.

I think they can get a top 3 QB without giving up anything. But it's still a big risk.

[Syd Thrift]

The drop off between 2 and 3 is very large,is the problem. The drop off from the 2nd best edge rusher / d lineman to the 3rd is also big, and unfortunately Seattle is drafting exactly right after those 4 players will get taken.

[monkeyman576]

Mariners utility man Dylan Moore has been resigned for 3 years.

[pilight]

Bird retired, Stewart is gone, and Loyd will surely follow after this season. It's rebuilding time for the Storm.

[monkeyman576]

Geno Smith is locked in for 3 years.

[Mariner and Giants Fan]

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

Geno Smith is locked in for 3 years.

Good move or no? How much is guaranteed and what are the cap implications in year one, are my main questions.

[monkeyman576]

Originally Posted by Mariner and Giants Fan

Good move or no? How much is guaranteed and what are the cap implications in year one, are my main questions.

Yeah, its expensive and he may regress next year but it allows us to focus our draft to mostly on defense and put us in a position to contend for a deep playoff run next year. $105M, $40M gauranteed from what I hear, which is fair for the gauranteed part anyways. It looks like the Seahawks were willing to pay more over three years to have less gauranteed maybe in case he fizzles.

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by Mariner and Giants Fan

Good move or no? How much is guaranteed and what are the cap implications in year one, are my main questions.

Considering the one year rate for him was $32.5M if he walked away from the table, I think it’s a pretty great deal. Of course he’s 32 and there’s no guarantee he’ll lead the NFL in completion percentage again but from the eye test he sure didn’t look like a Brock Purdy type, that is a system guy whose best asset was knowing the offense and making confident throws. Smith made some very nice passes well downfield of the variety that made me not only think “why wasn’t this guy starting somewhere already?” but “talent wise Geno looks like a top 10 QB”.

If he hadn’t lost the job to FitzMagic/his own hubris in New York, he’d also have had the thing of being a good mobile QB that’s highly sought after. I’m not actually sure if that would have helped him in the long run - he clearly has appeared to learn a lot of things about how to run an offense that guys who rely on their athleticism don’t always learn - but I can definitely see him being like a Russell Wilson Lite in an alternate universe, perhaps even to the extent of making last year be the year he declared Russell Wilson to be Geno Smith Lite (which, TBF, Smith had some issues with pressure but he doesn’t hang onto the ball forever and try to play hero ball a la Wilson, which is one huge difference) (and also he’s of normal QB size so he can see and throw into the middle of the field).

[Mariner and Giants Fan]

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

Yeah, its expensive and he may regress next year but it allows us to focus our draft to mostly on defense and put us in a position to contend for a deep playoff run next year. $105M, $40M gauranteed from what I hear, which is fair for the gauranteed part anyways. It looks like the Seahawks were willing to pay more over three years to have less gauranteed maybe in case he fizzles.

Is it possible that since Pete is close to retiring (end of contract) in a few years he is more interested in staying competitive than in winning another Super Bowl? As that would take a rebuild? I am beginning to wonder as I think this contract will make competing for a Super Bowl difficult.