Perfect Team burn out?

[professor ape]

It’s old news and I don’t know enough with certainty to provide significant commentary. What I do know is that it wasn’t “a large number of people” and it did not “break” anything. At this point it is just a story that has grown into a life of its own.

[daves]

Originally Posted by professor ape

It’s old news and I don’t know enough with certainty to provide significant commentary. What I do know is that it wasn’t “a large number of people” and it did not “break” anything. At this point it is just a story that has grown into a life of its own.

Since it's a story, may or may not be true, so it should be on the national news.

[professor ape]

Originally Posted by daves

Since it's a story, may or may not be true, so it should be on the national news.

It is well documented that it actually happened. The scope is what has grown into myth.

[mpatt75]

I have been playing PT since it started, why didn't I get free points?

[Bunktown Ballers]

Originally Posted by daves

I was on the fence for Perfect Team 22 after playing the 1st 3 versions. But the perfect draft sucked me in. And I am glad the opportunity to play PT 22 as there were many decent improvements and you couldn't just buy SS and CF's and put them in other positions. OOTPGO was a great addition as well!

But after FH3 and the outrageous unobtainable Hall of Fame players release, the game has become boring. I am sure there is more outrageous players coming, but boredom and burn out has surfaced for me and the game.

After playing 4 versions of PT, I am not sure I will play the next version?

Anybody else getting burned out on the game?

Burnout is a mild word. Sometimes I just log-in so I don't miss daily rewards. I'll finish out this year but heavy changes got to be made for me to continue. I'll never pay up to 50,000 auction house perfect points for a 42 card just to complete a mission. So many things wrong with PT but as long as whales pay the $$$ & South Korea is happy...it'll never change. Worse thing OOTP ever done was sell out to S.Korea IMHO. It's just no longer a personal touch to the game.


Now I'm finding out some players were given 11 million or more FREE Perfect Points...Screw this game. The commies have taken over

[professor ape]

Don’t overreact about the very few players who got points from an isolated issue. It is overblown and did not “break” anything for the masses. And to confirm, I was not part of any of this. I am a F2P player who learned about it through these forums and Discord conversations a few months ago. It’s old news and not a big deal in the grand scheme of things.

[bailey]

Originally Posted by Bunktown Ballers

Burnout is a mild word. Sometimes I just log-in so I don't miss daily rewards. I'll finish out this year but heavy changes got to be made for me to continue. I'll never pay up to 50,000 auction house perfect points for a 42 card just to complete a mission. So many things wrong with PT but as long as whales pay the $$$ & South Korea is happy...it'll never change. Worse thing OOTP ever done was sell out to S.Korea IMHO. It's just no longer a personal touch to the game.

I have never had to pay 50K for a 42 OVR card. I have paid up to 70K for a silver card, along with the 2 gold cards for about the same price to receive Yogi Berra who I could've sold for a profit at that point in time. I don't see a problem here. Is it better to pay 300K+ for a card on the AH or buy 3 crap cards for 210K and get the same card FREE? There were other silver cards I paid dearly for, most of which have come far down in price just by waiting, but at the time I could have sold the reward cards for substantial profit.

The so-called FREE points that were handed out were only given to players who spent hundreds or thousands of dollars on the game and who complained loudly enough to get them. Wouldn't you want to make your best paying customers happy? Instead of giving away free points to keep them happy, next year they will probably NERF the F2P experience so that spending gobs of money can actually make a difference.

[ubernoob]

Originally Posted by Bunktown Ballers

Burnout is a mild word. Sometimes I just log-in so I don't miss daily rewards. I'll finish out this year but heavy changes got to be made for me to continue. I'll never pay up to 50,000 auction house perfect points for a 42 card just to complete a mission. So many things wrong with PT but as long as whales pay the $$$ & South Korea is happy...it'll never change. Worse thing OOTP ever done was sell out to S.Korea IMHO. It's just no longer a personal touch to the game.


Now I'm finding out some players were given 11 million or more FREE Perfect Points...Screw this game. The commies have taken over

If the commies took over, you'd get points too.

[mpatt75]

Originally Posted by professor ape

Don’t overreact about the very few players who got points from an isolated issue. It is overblown and did not “break” anything for the masses. And to confirm, I was not part of any of this. I am a F2P player who learned about it through these forums and Discord conversations a few months ago. It’s old news and not a big deal in the grand scheme of things.

Okay now that's just a bunch of crap. That is a "big deal in the grand scheme of things" as I just did quick math and that's over $5k in free points.

Was there a post/announcement about this that I missed? I'm pretty upset now/still.

[professor ape]

Originally Posted by mpatt75

Okay now that's just a bunch of crap. That is a "big deal in the grand scheme of things" as I just did quick math and that's over $5k in free points.

Was there a post/announcement about this that I missed? I'm pretty upset now/still.

I don’t have the locations of the specific posts as it was a number of months ago. Maybe someone can point you to one of the discussions. It truly is old news. As someone commented before, my understanding is that it involved people who had pumped several thousand dollars into the game so the PPs were in scale with their money spent.

[HiDesertAce]

Originally Posted by professor ape

Don’t overreact about the very few players who got points from an isolated issue. It is overblown and did not “break” anything for the masses. And to confirm, I was not part of any of this. I am a F2P player who learned about it through these forums and Discord conversations a few months ago. It’s old news and not a big deal in the grand scheme of things.

speaking as a major market manipulator over the history of PT, imo, you are dead wrong.



the ppl that got the 11 milly payoffs absolutely negatively impacted the game economy. and one of them was banned for his activities. his activities would not have been possible if he hadn't been given such a large amount.



the payoffs should have been disclosed. this is a major reason why I will not be playing PT going forward.

[bailey]

Originally Posted by HiDesertAce

the ppl that got the 11 milly payoffs absolutely negatively impacted the game economy. and one of them was banned for his activities. his activities would not have been possible if he hadn't been given such a large amount.

Is there a difference to the game economy if the points were purchased or were handed out free? The only loser here is the OOTP, itself, who chose to not even fire the employee responsible for the scandal. That proves that this was a mole hill made into a mountain by the disgruntled whales who complained loudly enough to get compensation.

[HRBaker]

Originally Posted by bailey

Is there a difference to the game economy if the points were purchased or were handed out free?

NOT AT ALL. The "settlement", whatever it was, did not effect the game economy. I do not know the details, but let's look at this logically.


"IF" the number is, in fact 11 million points, that can be purchased from the game for about $6,000. in real money. Anyone who thinks that number is "anywhere" near the number of dollars that has come in from the game this year to OOTP is living in a fantasy world outside of OOTP. Six Grand is a drop in the bucket to what Perfect Team has earned the company, and it is also a drop in the bucket to the game's economy. There are 42,000+ teams in this years game. If the average investment across all teams is only $10., that totals almost a half million dollars and I'm guessing the number is a lot bigger.



The only thing a $6000 "gift" likely did was give that person a spot in the Perfect League, taking it away from someone else (since the spots in PL are limited).


We have so many other issues to discuss about the game, I just don't see how this one rates anywhere near the top ten.

[Hertston]

Originally Posted by HRBaker

The only thing a $6000 "gift" likely did was give that person a spot in the Perfect League, taking it away from someone else (since the spots in PL are limited).

We have so many other issues to discuss about the game, I just don't see how this one rates anywhere near the top ten.

I think your first point answers your second. As the supposed objective of the game is to reach, and ultimately win, the Perfect League, such 'gifts' cannot but distort the end-game to an unacceptable, and verging on dishonest, extent. Even the other 'whales' are disadvantaged unless they are prepared to inject such a sum themselves in addition to spending what they might otherwise. In other words, even the top-end PTP became a rigged game. Had I been in the business of spending four figure sums myself, I would NOT be happy.

Sure, for most of us the 'gifts' didn't harm the game economy; indeed it benefited many (including me) when there were PP flying about to take early lucky drops off your hands for a good price. But that isn't really the point, is it? It's an easy fix - for whatever reason it mustn't happen again.

[Hertston]

Originally Posted by bailey

Is there a difference to the game economy if the points were purchased or were handed out free?

Yes. Those not 'gifted' the points would be compelled to purchase them in order to compete on level terms. It certainly made a huge difference to them.

[HRBaker]

Originally Posted by Hertston

I think your first point answers your second. As the supposed objective of the game is to reach, and ultimately win, the Perfect League, such 'gifts' cannot but distort the end-game to an unacceptable, and verging on dishonest, extent. Even the other 'whales' are disadvantaged unless they are prepared to inject such a sum themselves in addition to spending what they might otherwise. In other words, even the top-end PTP became a rigged game. Had I been in the business of spending four figure sums myself, I would NOT be happy.

Sure, for most of us the 'gifts' didn't harm the game economy; indeed it benefited many (including me) when there were PP flying about to take early lucky drops off your hands for a good price. But that isn't really the point, is it? It's an easy fix - for whatever reason it mustn't happen again.

I don't mean to minimize the fact that a decision was made that was probably not in the best interest of the game, but the reality is it made not even a minimal difference to me or 99.9% of the rest of the players. The only player(s) it directly affected was the team in the 700 or so at Diamond level that would have taken its place had this person not been given a free ride. I just can't get too concerned considering me and 99.9% of the others had no hope of reaching Perfect level in the first place. That said, however, I'm disappointed (not angry) that the OOTP team decided that was a solution - and even more disappointed that they couldn't keep it secret. Today's world is full of misinformation and conspiracies, and this decision played right into that.

[ubernoob]

Hope none of you guys play any of the Ultimate Team modes with those thoughts. You should see what some of the streamers and stuff get for that.

[Hertston]

Originally Posted by HRBaker

I don't mean to minimize the fact that a decision was made that was probably not in the best interest of the game, but the reality is it made not even a minimal difference to me or 99.9% of the rest of the players.

That's quite true, but the problem is that that 0.1% contains most, if not all, of those who spend the 'real' real money, not the odd $20 but hundreds and maybe thousands. The sub-set (and sadly, that's all it is - but that's a different topic) of those people with adequate disposal income making rational spending decisions are entitled to expect a level playing field, not one rigged against them from the start, whatever the motive and intent.

[HRBaker]

Originally Posted by Hertston

That's quite true, but the problem is that that 0.1% contains most, if not all, of those who spend the 'real' real money, not the odd $20 but hundreds and maybe thousands. The sub-set (and sadly, that's all it is - but that's a different topic) of those people with adequate disposal income making rational spending decisions are entitled to expect a level playing field, not one rigged against them from the start, whatever the motive and intent.

Agreed.

[NavalHistorian]

Originally Posted by Leo_The_Lip

For me, PT is WAY TOO MUCH card collecting and not enough actual baseball.

I may be in a significant minority, but for me the card collecting is the most fun part of PT. I was a baseball card collector until things got crazy in the mid-90s. (Most of my collection is, unfortunately, pretty worthless because of overproduction.) PT adds the fun of a game along with card collecting.

My only "gripe" with PT22 lately is the Auction House has been completely devoid of the cards I need to finish missions. This has happened with the last few sets of missions. The cards I need only seem to appear after a new set of missions drops. I'm also seeing more people not listing a buy now price.