Jeter to retire - Page 4

Déjà Bru · 09-17-2014, 08:01 PM

Too bad he's winding things up this way (0 for 28 as of the 4th inning of tonight's game). Ultimately it will not matter and, who knows, he could have bounced back next year if he played but this looks like an indicator that he is truly done. Knowing the guy the way I do (which is not at all, of course, but what I have heard, read, and seen over the years), he does not want to go out this way. But so be it.

cephasjames · 09-17-2014, 08:38 PM

This is how players exit the game. Very rarely do players retire after a good season. I don't think it'll effect how people think of him at all.

John Madden · 09-17-2014, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Too bad he's winding things up this way (0 for 28 as of the 4th inning of tonight's game). Ultimately it will not matter and, who knows, he could have bounced back next year if he played but this looks like an indicator that he is truly done. Knowing the guy the way I do (which is not at all, of course, but what I have heard, read, and seen over the years), he does not want to go out this way. But so be it.

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KurtBevacqua · 09-18-2014, 02:24 PM

My favorite aspect to the Jeter Farewell Tour have been all the apologist sportswriters trying to downplay Jeter's awfulness this season by writing their "Everyone is looking at Jeter's .308 slugging percentage all wrong by comparing to a regular MLB shortstop and should really be comparing this absolute brilliance against how well Honus Wagner would be doing were he still playing at age 140" columns. http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/just-a-...-career-081814

Well OK, and when the Orioles decide to put Jim Palmer back on the mound pitching the Ellie Hendricks the Yanks will be set with the best over the hill player of all time at the plate.

CMH · 09-18-2014, 11:13 PM

Ugh. It's too bad people can't relax a bit over Jeter by trying to find new ways to make him godlike.

It's a shame because the reality is Jeter was a damn fine ballplayer. But even as a Yankee fan, it's hard to appreciate his HOF caliber career when I'm too busy rolling my eyes.

KurtBevacqua · 09-19-2014, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by CMH

Ugh. It's too bad people can't relax a bit over Jeter by trying to find new ways to make him godlike.

It's a shame because the reality is Jeter was a damn fine ballplayer. But even as a Yankee fan, it's hard to appreciate his HOF caliber career when I'm too busy rolling my eyes.

I can remember when Hank Aaron retired and there wasn't near the God-like adoration. Of course there was probably still a little racism involved in that. But I do not recall any baseball player getting as many proposals for sainthood in their last season as Jeter.

Déjà Bru · 09-20-2014, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by KurtBevacqua

I can remember when Hank Aaron retired and there wasn't near the God-like adoration. Of course there was probably still a little racism involved in that. But I do not recall any baseball player getting as many proposals for sainthood in their last season as Jeter.

It's the media, and people craving the ultimate pleasurable experience, all the time. It's mostly OK but I do roll my eyeballs as well even though I am a Yankees fan and I do admire Jeter highly. I will be glad when this is all over; mercifully, the Yankees are not going to the playoffs or it would be even worse.

Jason · 09-24-2014, 12:01 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__UJ9VZB508#t=175

Olbermann is rarely dead on. Here, he is.

Jason Moyer · 09-24-2014, 01:47 PM

I watched that earlier. I generally dislike Olbermann (outside of his great stache'd SportsCenter days with DP) but that video is pretty spot on.

Déjà Bru · 09-26-2014, 08:46 AM

I'm having goosebumps this morning. What a way to end a career in New York.

CommishJoe · 09-26-2014, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__UJ9VZB508#t=175

Olbermann is rarely dead on. Here, he is.

Olbermann is an idiot, plain and simple. Last night is the perfect example of why Jeter is an icon in NY. Yes, he wasn't a good defensive SS. However, he was one of the best SSs to ever put on pinstripes. Also, his ability to come through in big time situations was absolutely incredible. It couldn't have been scripted any better.

In an era of cheaters, Jeter always remained above that. Yes, his playboy style isn't a great role model for kids but it basically remained private. However, the way he played the game was the PERFECT role model for young ball players. Go out there and play the game as hard as you can all the time, and do it cleanly.

John Madden · 09-26-2014, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by CommishJoe

Olbermann is an idiot, plain and simple.

Everything he said was true. Are you claiming otherwise?

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Last night is the perfect example of why Jeter is an icon in NY.

Winning a meaningless game while 13 games back of the Orioles?

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Yes, he wasn't a good defensive SS. However, he was one of the best SSs to ever put on pinstripes.

Uh, these two sentences together...

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Also, his ability to come through in big time situations was absolutely incredible. It couldn't have been scripted any better.

Yay clutch! I bet he's gritty, too.

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In an era of cheaters, Jeter always remained above that. Yes, his playboy style isn't a great role model for kids but it basically remained private. However, the way he played the game was the PERFECT role model for young ball players. Go out there and play the game as hard as you can all the time, and do it cleanly.

I'll give you this much, but that can be said about plenty of players.

Jeter is good, very good even. The reason he'll always have a backlash is because of people who can't seen to take his balls off of their chin. He might be the first player to be so overrated he's underrated and then overrated again.

RchW · 09-26-2014, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CommishJoe

In an era of cheaters, Jeter always remained above that.

That's pretty insulting to hundreds maybe thousands of players who didn't cheat. Why should Jeter get extra credit for doing the right thing.

I like Jeter, always have, but comments like that drive me crazy and cause me to dislike all the slobbering over him.

CommishJoe · 09-26-2014, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

That's pretty insulting to hundreds maybe thousands of players who didn't cheat. Why should Jeter get extra credit for doing the right thing.

I like Jeter, always have, but comments like that drive me crazy and cause me to dislike all the slobbering over him.

And most of those hundreds or thousands of players also aren't (all against active players)

2nd in offensive WAR
8th in AVG
14th in OBP
1st in runs scored
1st in hits
2nd in total bases
8th in walks
etc, etc, etc

They also don't have a .321 lifetime batting average in the World Series or a .384 OBP. They also aren't a lock for the hall of fame. So yes, I do think Jeter deserves to be mentioned over the hundreds, perhaps thousands of players who stayed clean during the steroid era without insulting them

ThatSeventiesGuy · 09-26-2014, 01:59 PM

If Jeter's getting too many accolades, it has less to do with how good he is or not, and more to do with where he plays. The constant media erection for the Yankees and Red Sox (especially the Yankees) gets old to anybody living outside the East coast. If he played his whole career in, say, Houston, he wouldn't be getting near as much positive press...hell, he might even be getting "why didn't you retire x-number of years ago, you don't have much left" criticism.

Jeter's definitely a HOFer, probably first ballot IMO. And he gets extra points from me for staying clean in the 'roid era. But this "greatest shortstop ever" stuff is a bit over the top. Top 5, okay, but greatest? Not buying it. That's the Yankee "Media Bump" talking.

RchW · 09-26-2014, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CommishJoe

And most of those hundreds or thousands of players also aren't (all against active players)

2nd in offensive WAR
8th in AVG
14th in OBP
1st in runs scored
1st in hits
2nd in total bases
8th in walks
etc, etc, etc

They also don't have a .321 lifetime batting average in the World Series or a .384 OBP. They also aren't a lock for the hall of fame. So yes, I do think Jeter deserves to be mentioned over the hundreds, perhaps thousands of players who stayed clean during the steroid era without insulting them

You completely missed the point. I know how good a ballplayer he is.

CommishJoe · 09-26-2014, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ThatSeventiesGuy

Jeter's definitely a HOFer, probably first ballot IMO. And he gets extra points from me for staying clean in the 'roid era. But this "greatest shortstop ever" stuff is a bit over the top. Top 5, okay, but greatest? Not buying it. That's the Yankee "Media Bump" talking.

I would agree that he wasn't the "greatest SS ever".

John Madden · 09-26-2014, 03:19 PM

From 2004-2012 he wasn't even the best SS on the Yankee's active roster!

pstrickert · 09-26-2014, 05:14 PM

I count 12 articles about Jeter on the home page of MLB.com right at this moment. Talk about overkill. As much as we appreciate Jeter in the hinterlands (and I think most of us do), we also recognize when the media love fest for Jeter is beyond excessive. To be frank, it's a turnoff.

rudel.dietrich · 09-26-2014, 07:34 PM

Jeter is retiring? First I have heard about it.

09-17-2014, 08:01 PM	#61
Déjà Bru Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Long Island Posts: 11,742	Too bad he's winding things up this way (0 for 28 as of the 4th inning of tonight's game). Ultimately it will not matter and, who knows, he could have bounced back next year if he played but this looks like an indicator that he is truly done. Knowing the guy the way I do (which is not at all, of course, but what I have heard, read, and seen over the years), he does not want to go out this way. But so be it. __________________ - Bru

09-17-2014, 08:38 PM	#62
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09-18-2014, 02:24 PM	#64
KurtBevacqua Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,968	My favorite aspect to the Jeter Farewell Tour have been all the apologist sportswriters trying to downplay Jeter's awfulness this season by writing their "Everyone is looking at Jeter's .308 slugging percentage all wrong by comparing to a regular MLB shortstop and should really be comparing this absolute brilliance against how well Honus Wagner would be doing were he still playing at age 140" columns. http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/just-a-...-career-081814 Well OK, and when the Orioles decide to put Jim Palmer back on the mound pitching the Ellie Hendricks the Yanks will be set with the best over the hill player of all time at the plate. __________________ "The type and formula of most schemes of philanthropy or humanitarianism is this: A and B put their heads together to decide what C shall be made to do for D. The radical vice of all these schemes, from a sociological point of view, is that C is not allowed a voice in the matter, and his position, character, and interests, as well as the ultimate effects on society through C's interests, are entirely overlooked. I call C the Forgotten Man" - William Graham Sumner

09-24-2014, 01:47 PM	#69
Jason Moyer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 5,105	I watched that earlier. I generally dislike Olbermann (outside of his great stache'd SportsCenter days with DP) but that video is pretty spot on. __________________ "I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses." -- Tom House "I was very fortunate to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House...Tom, I really miss those days that we spent in the weight room and out on the field working together." -- Nolan Ryan's HoF Induction Speech

09-26-2014, 08:46 AM	#70
Déjà Bru Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Long Island Posts: 11,742	I'm having goosebumps this morning. What a way to end a career in New York. __________________ - Bru

09-18-2014, 11:13 PM	#65
CMH Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,057	Ugh. It's too bad people can't relax a bit over Jeter by trying to find new ways to make him godlike. It's a shame because the reality is Jeter was a damn fine ballplayer. But even as a Yankee fan, it's hard to appreciate his HOF caliber career when I'm too busy rolling my eyes.

09-24-2014, 12:01 PM	#68
Jason Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,854	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__UJ9VZB508#t=175 Olbermann is rarely dead on. Here, he is.

09-26-2014, 01:59 PM	#75
ThatSeventiesGuy Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Midland, MI Posts: 3,426	If Jeter's getting too many accolades, it has less to do with how good he is or not, and more to do with where he plays. The constant media erection for the Yankees and Red Sox (especially the Yankees) gets old to anybody living outside the East coast. If he played his whole career in, say, Houston, he wouldn't be getting near as much positive press...hell, he might even be getting "why didn't you retire x-number of years ago, you don't have much left" criticism. Jeter's definitely a HOFer, probably first ballot IMO. And he gets extra points from me for staying clean in the 'roid era. But this "greatest shortstop ever" stuff is a bit over the top. Top 5, okay, but greatest? Not buying it. That's the Yankee "Media Bump" talking. __________________ https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...00&postcount=1

09-26-2014, 03:19 PM	#78
John Madden Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 379 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	From 2004-2012 he wasn't even the best SS on the Yankee's active roster!

09-26-2014, 05:14 PM	#79
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16,954	I count 12 articles about Jeter on the home page of MLB.com right at this moment. Talk about overkill. As much as we appreciate Jeter in the hinterlands (and I think most of us do), we also recognize when the media love fest for Jeter is beyond excessive. To be frank, it's a turnoff.

09-26-2014, 07:34 PM	#80
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	Jeter is retiring? First I have heard about it.