Do you mind or don't you?

[Boston15]

It's not all about steroid use, it's lying about it that I am annoyed by.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Padreman

Ok I don't mind curtain amount or type of "cheating" in Baseball and some i do. For example too me cork bats, spitballs, sign stealing, taking a fielder while sliding those are ligitimate types of "cheating". Those have always been part of baseball. I don't mind that. However I draw the line of drugs, things like steroids or human growth hormones is not part of the game.
Are you like me? Or you think all of this is cheating? Or you mind anything?
Your thoughts.

I am almost 100% with you. I would put corked bats as going too far as well. The rest of the stuff I consider cheap antics. If you can get away with it, no biggy.

BTW, have they ever used anything else besides cork? I would think some good foam insulation might do the trick too.

[Padreman]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

I am almost 100% with you. I would put corked bats as going too far as well. The rest of the stuff I consider cheap antics. If you can get away with it, no biggy.

BTW, have they ever used anything else besides cork? I would think some good foam insulation might do the trick too.

I don't know why they consider it "cheating" but having too much pine tar on the bat. Remember the Pine Tar incident? George Brett hit a home run but then was called out because he had too much pine tar. I don't know what advantage the pine tar gives a batter

[ihatenames]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

I am almost 100% with you. I would put corked bats as going too far as well. The rest of the stuff I consider cheap antics. If you can get away with it, no biggy.

BTW, have they ever used anything else besides cork? I would think some good foam insulation might do the trick too.

I know some have used small rubber balls instead of cork.

[Padreman]

What exactly is the difference betwen steroids and human growth hormones?

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Padreman

I don't know why they consider it "cheating" but having too much pine tar on the bat. Remember the Pine Tar incident? George Brett hit a home run but then was called out because he had too much pine tar. I don't know what advantage the pine tar gives a batter

I don't think pine tar gives the batter an advantage. I think it is a rule so that pine tar doesn't get all over the ball every time a batter makes contact.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by ihatenames

I know some have used small rubber balls instead of cork.

Have they? I would think that unwise as the integrity of the bat would be compromised. For the same reason you wouldn't just stuff paper tissue into the hollow.

What is stuffed into the bat has nothing to do with how far the ball goes. The idea is to replace some of the wood with a lighter substance to gain bat speed. But you still have to make sure the bat is not going to be weakened. Cork seems to achieve both.

[John Madden]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

Have they? I would think that unwise as the integrity of the bat would be compromised. For the same reason you wouldn't just stuff paper tissue into the hollow.

What is stuffed into the bat has nothing to do with how far the ball goes. The idea is to replace some of the wood with a lighter substance to gain bat speed. But you still have to make sure the bat is not going to be weakened. Cork seems to achieve both.

Six players since 1970 have been caught using a drilled/refilled bat. 4 were corked, 2 used rubber/super balls.

Corked bat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Kobie]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

I am almost 100% with you. I would put corked bats as going too far as well. The rest of the stuff I consider cheap antics. If you can get away with it, no biggy.

BTW, have they ever used anything else besides cork? I would think some good foam insulation might do the trick too.

I seem to remember people using super balls back in the day.

EDIT: D'oh! ninja'd

[Padreman]

Besides Braun and or including A-Rod he's a big name but been a lame duck the last couple of seasons who do you think are the top 2 or 3 top caliber players that were suspended today?
Parralta and Cabrera?

[Padreman]

Look at this loser
Y! SPORTS

[The Game]

Originally Posted by Murcer

Slightly off topic but in the same vein... I've never understood why players are allowed to run into the catcher!

Players can't run down the first baseman while he's stretching for the ball, why can they barrel down the catcher?

Ask Tim Hudson about that (I know not the same). You can run over any position player if he is blocking your path to the base/plate.

I am against corked bats also. I despise Joey Belle for using a corked bat a few times. Corky Sosa also. I am against all forms of cheating, bending the rules i am ok with as long as you are ok with suffering the consequences from your actions.

[statfreak]

[I have not read every post in this thread and apologize if I'm mimicking an earlier post]

I believe players have been cheating from the moment the sport began and it is just naive to think otherwise.

I'd prefer it if no one cheated, but that seems highly improbable and unrealistic. Since cheating will always be a part of the sport, I don't mind players cheating, regardless of the form. I'm happy players get caught and serve their time, but it doesn't bother me and I don't think any less of a player.

[John Madden]

Originally Posted by The Game

Ask Tim Hudson about that (I know not the same). You can run over any position player if he is blocking your path to the base/plate.

I am against corked bats also. I despise Joey Belle for using a corked bat a few times. Corky Sosa also. I am against all forms of cheating, bending the rules i am ok with as long as you are ok with suffering the consequences from your actions.

What's the difference between "bending the rules" and "cheating"? Sounds like different words for the same thing.

[John Madden]

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[Padreman]

Originally Posted by John Madden

What's the difference between "bending the rules" and "cheating"? Sounds like different words for the same thing.

What is the difference in your opinion?

[Leo_The_Lip]

Originally Posted by Padreman

I don't know why they consider it "cheating" but having too much pine tar on the bat. Remember the Pine Tar incident? George Brett hit a home run but then was called out because he had too much pine tar. I don't know what advantage the pine tar gives a batter

You have a very limited, selective memory. The 'out' call was appealed, reversed and the game later resumed with the home run standing. The Royals won.

So it isn't cheating and never was. Simply poor hygiene.

[John Madden]

Originally Posted by Padreman

What is the difference in your opinion?

It's all cheating.

[Nate Shilaroa]

The worst part about PEDs is that a user can increase his skills and make it onto an MLB roster while the non-user's numbers may not compare. Job equality or fairness gets thrown under the bus when PED users are involved.

So they should just legalize PEDs and everyone gets a fair shot.

[The Game]

Originally Posted by Nate Shilaroa

So they should just legalize PEDs and everyone gets a fair shot.

When the government does then MLB will. Whats wrong with having having everyone play with their natural ability?