The New Trend, "Invite Only" Leagues - Page 4

spleen1015 · 02-06-2003, 12:12 PM

You can be honest and say you're bothered that you didn't get an invite. It's only human to be hurt that you didn't get picked.

Goody · 02-06-2003, 12:28 PM

Haha. Maybe I would be hurt if I was in a Cooleyeague and didn't get picked, but I've never tried to get into one of his leagues. Not that I wouldn't want to try, just not enough time.

satchel · 02-06-2003, 12:30 PM

The concept of ‘lower-tier’ leagues grooming owners for the more established ones is already the de facto system in the community. It’s not formal, but that’s how it usually works, since it’s easier for a new community member to join one of these newer leagues. From there they learn the system and get to know other OotPers, and eventually join more ‘prominent’ leagues. A couple of differences between this and a more rigid system is that the status of the lower-tier leagues is not fixed, and newer leagues can rise in prominence; and that owners who move on to new leagues don’t necessarily leave their old ones. So the leagues on the fringe do train owners for the core leagues, and give them access to the process and community, there just isn’t a standardized way to graduate to the ‘bigs’ (and that’s not even many owners’ intent anyway).

I’m not promoting the idea of league hierarchy, but some leagues do appear more stable than others, and their members are more easily recognizable.

satchel · 02-06-2003, 12:35 PM

Goody brings up another issue that has been on my mind a lot lately: I look at lots of leagues (and have been in a couple) and see that the Commissioner’s team is very successful. Unusually so sometimes. I know it’s a different topic, but I’m loathe to start a new post about this, because it might rankle too many people. Plus, I know that there are good reasons for this, because a Commissioner by definition is going to be more intimately familiar with his league and its details, and therefore qualified to be more successful with it. But...how many leagues have Commissioners whose team stinks? It’s uncommon I think.

Goody · 02-06-2003, 12:40 PM

"I’m not promoting the idea of league hierarchy, but some leagues do appear more stable than others, and their members are more easily recognizable."

That's the buddy system.

I'm sure there's great leagues out there that nobody recognizes because the participants don't join in the community here as much...therefore they don't get invites because they were interacting with the people on the board and joined XXX league with them.

The buddy system had some effect on helping me recruit for my league when it was new. If I had more time I'd join a league that I consider part of the buddy system...I'm not saying I'm totally on the outside and just criticizing others.

We all gotta be aware of it though.

Goody · 02-06-2003, 12:44 PM

This thread better not get too long, remember we have to report back to Cooley when its done. I'm not gonna do it...

Can we get a vulture over here to deliver this message?!?

LivnLegend · 02-06-2003, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Portlander
I have nothing to gain out of it other than standing up for the same beliefs that I have in real life. Cliques are bad. Treat everyone with respect and value until they prove they are not worthy of it...not the other way around.

Lloyd, and here I thought you were part of the ex-PSBL clique with Sean, Michael, Glenn, Joe A, Joe M (if he ever returns!), Vincent, Shane and me!

satchel · 02-06-2003, 12:54 PM

‘Trolling for vultures’ is kind of silly, a big part of the ‘vulture’ definition is that it’s voluntary. The best way to attract vultures is to run an irresistably interesting league, and the vultures will circle in earnest.

PineTar · 02-06-2003, 01:43 PM

The FOBL really should have pulled a Pat Riley and trademarked "vulture" when we had the chance. We'd all be retired by now.

jjd · 02-06-2003, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LivnLegend
Lloyd, and here I thought you were part of the ex-PSBL clique with Sean, Michael, Glenn, Joe A, Joe M (if he ever returns!), Vincent, Shane and me!

Now don't be putting me into any cliques Scott. I don't know if I want to be associated with that crew.

Satchel,

If you want to see a commish with a crappy team, take a look at these standings Here

I wonder who the owner of the St. Paul team that finished 18 games back in the standings was?

Dagrims · 02-06-2003, 02:53 PM

In 20 years of email and on-line leagues (Stratomatic and OOTP), I don't recall ever being in a league where the commissioner's team wasn't a perennial playoff contender. There's built-in advantages for the commish, but frankly I've never taken issue with it because it's a payoff for the hundreds of hard hours that go into running a successful league. Commissioners should have more knowledge of the teams, the players, the strategies, and the owners' personalities. All that will help them field a winning team.

If I ever suspected that the commissioner was not running his team with integrity, I'd be the first to quit. As far as running a league without having a team, now that takes real dedication. I haven't played in one of those leagues yet.

Chris

Driver 8 · 02-06-2003, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dagrims
As far as running a league without having a team, now that takes real dedication. I haven't played in one of those leagues yet.

Drop me an e-mail, the TSTBL may have an opening as our fourth season winds down.

satchel · 02-06-2003, 03:19 PM

jjd, thanks for pointing out St.Paul

(though to me that commissioner was already trustworthy).

Delgadodawg · 02-06-2003, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jjd
Now don't be putting me into any cliques Scott. I don't know if I want to be associated with that crew.

And here I thought we were all friends

JAttractive · 02-06-2003, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dagrims

If I ever suspected that the commissioner was not running his team with integrity, I'd be the first to quit. As far as running a league without having a team, now that takes real dedication. I haven't played in one of those leagues yet.

Chris

I play in Portlander's league and he doesn't run a team. Really I can't imagine how he can stand it but that is part of what makes the league so great. He can devote his time to the league as a whole and their is never any question of bias. So long as he is getting something out of it so much the better!

Now that I know him better however I wouldn't care if he ran a team because I would put full trust in him.... but at the time having a commish without a team was a priority for my first online league.

jjd · 02-06-2003, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Delgadodawg
And here I thought we were all friends

Ah, Sean. Don't you know that there are no friends in fake computer baseball. You keep your friends close but your enemies closer.

The Professor · 02-06-2003, 05:05 PM

There have been a number of discussions on the <i>commish w/team</i> versus <i>commish w/o team</i> philosophies...

...I am one of those weirdos who loves running a league without having to run a team. First and foremost, the historian in me loves watching and chronicaling the course of the league. I don't have to worry about fielding a contender, or engaging in trade discussions or the day-to-day minutiae of running a team...that is what other leagues are for.

I know some guys think its pointless if you aren't in the action, but I find it extremely rewarding to be - virtually - a seperate entity. In any case, I think either way has its positives...

Aussie Mark · 02-06-2003, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sixto
Personally I understand neither why someone would want to be in 3-7 different leagues nor why a league would want someone who's in 3-7 leagues to be in their league.

Each to their own. Once you've done it for a while you can handle multiple leagues quite easily. Owners and Commishes who know me will vouch for the fact that I am active in all of my leagues and win my share of pennants. It helps that I have web access at work so I can do some of my league stuff during quiet times, otherwise I probably wouldn't be able to fit so many leagues into my schedule.

Recte44 · 02-07-2003, 11:44 AM

The right person can handle a number of different leagues. I have Mark in the ORB and even with 7 different leagues he's quite active, and we're happy to have him involved.

Blanket judgements are never a good idea.

Shorty · 02-07-2003, 12:15 PM

The problem I have with the 'good ole' boys' theory is that it screws possibly better owners. Just an example here, but I don't post as much here as some of you. So that automatically makes me a lesser owner than more of the prolific names.

I'd like to give an example but I don't want to point fingers at anyone.

02-06-2003, 12:28 PM	#62
Goody Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Korea Posts: 3,530	Haha. Maybe I would be hurt if I was in a Cooleyeague and didn't get picked, but I've never tried to get into one of his leagues. Not that I wouldn't want to try, just not enough time. __________________ In the past: Laseron Baseball Association creator. Present: I am Rezulm on PT and OOTP Discord. Future: I wish it was the past.

02-06-2003, 12:30 PM	#63
satchel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ft Smith Ark. USA Posts: 2,681	feeding The concept of ‘lower-tier’ leagues grooming owners for the more established ones is already the de facto system in the community. It’s not formal, but that’s how it usually works, since it’s easier for a new community member to join one of these newer leagues. From there they learn the system and get to know other OotPers, and eventually join more ‘prominent’ leagues. A couple of differences between this and a more rigid system is that the status of the lower-tier leagues is not fixed, and newer leagues can rise in prominence; and that owners who move on to new leagues don’t necessarily leave their old ones. So the leagues on the fringe do train owners for the core leagues, and give them access to the process and community, there just isn’t a standardized way to graduate to the ‘bigs’ (and that’s not even many owners’ intent anyway). I’m not promoting the idea of league hierarchy, but some leagues do appear more stable than others, and their members are more easily recognizable. __________________ JL Commish NPBL Rhode Island Reds ’33 ’34 ’35 TCBA San Francisco Railbornes ’74 ’76 ’77 ’78 FL New Orleans Black Sox ’56 ’57 ’58 ’59

02-06-2003, 12:35 PM	#64
satchel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ft Smith Ark. USA Posts: 2,681	we’ve got a weiner Goody brings up another issue that has been on my mind a lot lately: I look at lots of leagues (and have been in a couple) and see that the Commissioner’s team is very successful. Unusually so sometimes. I know it’s a different topic, but I’m loathe to start a new post about this, because it might rankle too many people. Plus, I know that there are good reasons for this, because a Commissioner by definition is going to be more intimately familiar with his league and its details, and therefore qualified to be more successful with it. But...how many leagues have Commissioners whose team stinks? It’s uncommon I think. __________________ JL Commish NPBL Rhode Island Reds ’33 ’34 ’35 TCBA San Francisco Railbornes ’74 ’76 ’77 ’78 FL New Orleans Black Sox ’56 ’57 ’58 ’59

02-06-2003, 12:40 PM	#65
Goody Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Korea Posts: 3,530	"I’m not promoting the idea of league hierarchy, but some leagues do appear more stable than others, and their members are more easily recognizable." That's the buddy system. I'm sure there's great leagues out there that nobody recognizes because the participants don't join in the community here as much...therefore they don't get invites because they were interacting with the people on the board and joined XXX league with them. The buddy system had some effect on helping me recruit for my league when it was new. If I had more time I'd join a league that I consider part of the buddy system...I'm not saying I'm totally on the outside and just criticizing others. We all gotta be aware of it though. __________________ In the past: Laseron Baseball Association creator. Present: I am Rezulm on PT and OOTP Discord. Future: I wish it was the past.

02-06-2003, 12:44 PM	#66
Goody Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Korea Posts: 3,530	This thread better not get too long, remember we have to report back to Cooley when its done. I'm not gonna do it... Can we get a vulture over here to deliver this message?!? __________________ In the past: Laseron Baseball Association creator. Present: I am Rezulm on PT and OOTP Discord. Future: I wish it was the past.

02-06-2003, 12:12 PM	#61
spleen1015 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,008	You can be honest and say you're bothered that you didn't get an invite. It's only human to be hurt that you didn't get picked.

02-06-2003, 12:54 PM	#68
satchel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ft Smith Ark. USA Posts: 2,681	Vultures ‘Trolling for vultures’ is kind of silly, a big part of the ‘vulture’ definition is that it’s voluntary. The best way to attract vultures is to run an irresistably interesting league, and the vultures will circle in earnest. __________________ JL Commish NPBL Rhode Island Reds ’33 ’34 ’35 TCBA San Francisco Railbornes ’74 ’76 ’77 ’78 FL New Orleans Black Sox ’56 ’57 ’58 ’59

02-06-2003, 01:43 PM	#69
PineTar Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 154	The FOBL really should have pulled a Pat Riley and trademarked "vulture" when we had the chance. We'd all be retired by now. __________________

02-06-2003, 02:53 PM	#71
Dagrims Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 3,827	In 20 years of email and on-line leagues (Stratomatic and OOTP), I don't recall ever being in a league where the commissioner's team wasn't a perennial playoff contender. There's built-in advantages for the commish, but frankly I've never taken issue with it because it's a payoff for the hundreds of hard hours that go into running a successful league. Commissioners should have more knowledge of the teams, the players, the strategies, and the owners' personalities. All that will help them field a winning team. If I ever suspected that the commissioner was not running his team with integrity, I'd be the first to quit. As far as running a league without having a team, now that takes real dedication. I haven't played in one of those leagues yet. Chris

02-06-2003, 03:19 PM	#73
satchel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ft Smith Ark. USA Posts: 2,681	Suspiciones jjd, thanks for pointing out St.Paul (though to me that commissioner was already trustworthy). __________________ JL Commish NPBL Rhode Island Reds ’33 ’34 ’35 TCBA San Francisco Railbornes ’74 ’76 ’77 ’78 FL New Orleans Black Sox ’56 ’57 ’58 ’59

02-06-2003, 05:05 PM	#77
The Professor Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: East of East Posts: 3,020	There have been a number of discussions on the <i>commish w/team</i> versus <i>commish w/o team</i> philosophies... ...I am one of those weirdos who loves running a league without having to run a team. First and foremost, the historian in me loves watching and chronicaling the course of the league. I don't have to worry about fielding a contender, or engaging in trade discussions or the day-to-day minutiae of running a team...that is what other leagues are for. I know some guys think its pointless if you aren't in the action, but I find it extremely rewarding to be - virtually - a seperate entity. In any case, I think either way has its positives... __________________ History isn't really about the past - settling old scores. It's about defining the present and who we are."

02-07-2003, 11:44 AM	#79
Recte44 Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Oconomowoc, WI Posts: 2,818	The right person can handle a number of different leagues. I have Mark in the ORB and even with 7 different leagues he's quite active, and we're happy to have him involved. Blanket judgements are never a good idea. __________________ Matt Rectenwald Commissioner, GM: Las Vegas Hustlers, The Brewster Baseball Association- fictional league (JOIN NOW)

02-07-2003, 12:15 PM	#80
Shorty All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 992	The problem I have with the 'good ole' boys' theory is that it screws possibly better owners. Just an example here, but I don't post as much here as some of you. So that automatically makes me a lesser owner than more of the prolific names. I'd like to give an example but I don't want to point fingers at anyone. __________________ Here we go Redlegs here we go!