"The System" (or How Leverage Killed Conventional Pitching Wisdom) - Page 4

Stromson · 05-01-2012, 01:15 PM

Absolutely fascinating. Can't wait to see what comes of the offseason.

Prodigal Son · 05-01-2012, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Orcin

Congrats on getting to the playoffs... it's been a while since the Mariners did that. I'll be interested in what the Hydra looks like after you have an entire off-season to tinker.

Thanks, man! Top of the list will definitely be to get Oswalt healthy and lock up one other decent SP, plus maybe another mediocre SP. Aceves didn't get the job done in 2012. I think ideally The System would have one high #3 / low #2 type SP plus one high #4 and one low #4 type. Considering that most money in a traditional rotation is spent on the top two guys, this is still much cheaper thanthat, but any pitching system needs some guys who can soak up medium-leverage innings. In an ideal model, at least two of those three SP's would come out of the farm system, so you'd only have to pay a free agent contract or give away trade bait for one of them. I think having a farm system able to replenish 2 SP's is a more realistic and reliable model than expecting it to provide 4 SP's. Worst case, we pay for 2 free agent SP's, not the end of the world as long as they aren't the big-money aces.

GCCWolverine · 05-08-2012, 11:35 AM

I've attempted a similar strategy with my latest league. I'm playing out every game, and using 12-13 relievers instead of the traditional setup. I haven't gone as deep as you have, but I do tend to try and start weaker players, then bringing in the stronger pitchers to handle the heart of the lineup.

It's a fictional league, so I was able to draft an amazing offense before getting my staff. One thing I messed up a bit on was stamina - most of my guys are under 20 in stamina, so I have to carry 13 pitchers, and 12 hitters - backup catcher, IF, and OF (my DH is also an OF), and the IF and OF have to be able to play all positions.

Lots of success so far, though - 32-16, including a 10-1 stretch where my staff has a sub-3 era (in a league where the average is 5-ish), and the only loss was after an extra inning game where my tired staff gave up 16.

rferry · 05-30-2012, 06:57 PM

Do the starting pitchers hate you yet?

Prodigal Son · 09-04-2012, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by rferry

Do the starting pitchers hate you yet?

Maybe, but I'm guessing some RP agents like me!

Prodigal Son · 09-12-2012, 11:10 PM

Seattle's first System offseason came and went with a decent amount of turnover and some surprising moves. The biggest splash came when the Mariners signed big-time free agent Cole Hamels to a five-year deal.

The Coach settled in for an interview on MLB Network with Harold Reynolds:

HR: Coach, I thought The System was about not spending big bucks on starting pitchers, but now you go out and spend huge money on an ace pitcher. What gives?

The Coach: We spent a lot of money on one pitcher, yeah. And we have some contracts with escalators and other things going on this season with guys who have pitched well for us. But we're not obligated to spend a lot on any other pitchers going forward. If you look at next season, I think we're on the hook for $6 million to Brandon League, then our next-highest guy is Venters at maybe $3 million, then maybe a handful of guys at a million or two each. So compare that to a team paying a premium for three or four starters PLUS paying a premium for a couple relievers, and we're still way ahead of the game when it comes to expenses for our arms.

HR: Why Hamels?

The Coach: He was available! He's a good pitcher, and we had the money. Our success with having a competitive team last year and getting to the playoffs brought in some gate revenues that nobody expected. We headed into this offseason sitting on a lot of extra money, and ownership was fantastic about putting that money back on to the field, not just in their pockets. So we had a chance to be aggressive, and we went out and got a guy who we will get tremendous use out of.

HR: Thanks, Coach. That's it for now with The Coach. He'll be heading into 2013 as the head man of a club that was one of the most active in the offseason. Tune in later in the show for a full analysis of all of Seattle's moves.

Prodigal Son · 09-13-2012, 09:38 PM

The coach grabbed his tablet the night before opening night. His mind was going a mile a minute, and the process of typing down some thoughts always relaxed him. He lie propped in bed and hammered out a few words:

April 3, 2013

The first System offseason was much different than I expected. We were able to sign a lot of talent. I didn't realize until we got into free agency that The System frees up so many resources. We don't need a bunch of starting pitching prospects in the minors to fill a rotation, so we don't need as many draft picks as most teams. This means we can draft talent wherever we find it and trade our prospects to find the talent we need. Teams love their SP prospects, and we can dangle them for nice veteran returns.

We also don't need to spend to sign or retain 3-4 good starting pitchers. In today's game of pitch counts, innings limits, and constant injuries to pitchers, it actually might be more like 4-6 starting pitchers that most teams need.

We were able to spend a boatload of money one one ace, Cole Hamels. So now do I use him as an actual starter? Maybe get us a good start right from the start of tie games. Or do we use him as a super reliever, a guy who can pitch several innings in high-leverage situations? And with his arm and durability, I'm guessing he'll be able to go out there pretty often for us. Oh, and a big reason we paid him so much is because he's a lefty. He gives us a lot of flexibility if we do use him out of the 'pen. He can come in to face the heart of an order full of lefties, then we can leave him in to face righties as well if necessary.

Deciding what to do with Hamels is a good problem for us to have.

I could use a second good starting pitcher. Not an ace, but a high-end #3 type of guy. We had Oswalt, but with his injury issues, age, and salary, management thought it best to dangle him on waivers. I was a little surprised that there were claims on him, but at the same time, his salary isn't atrocious, and he should be effective if he's healthy. I could use him this year, but management had to do it I guess.

Excited about bringing in Omar Infante as a utility player. He gives us a lot of positional flexibility to move guys around. Between him and Bonifacio--well, that's the flexibility a System team needs when we don't have a ton of position players rostered.

We had two big position player acquisitions. We traded a good amount of prospect talent, including four-and-a-half star outfield prospect Fernando Siese, to pick up shortstop Dee Gordon and veteran reliever Josh Lindblom from the Dodgers. Brendan Ryan has had a lot of injuries lately and isn't great with the bat. He's owed over $2 million each year for the next three or four years, so I anticipate management will waive him and try to get rid of his salary. He's fantastic with the glove and hits just enough that some team with a big hole at that spot might spring to pay him.

Our second big pick up was Jason Heyward, who the Braves kind of soured on after two mediocre years compared to his expectations. Sure, his OPS each year was under .800, and he's owed $6 mil this year through his arbitration award, but we had a huge hole at RF. He's a good defensive player who posted a .341 OBP last season with 18 HR, plus at 23 he might still take a step up toward that potential everyone thought he had.

We paid a huge premium to get him, unfortunately. We sent our top prospect, five-star speedster Sergio Ocampo, along with solid SP Hector Noesi and a good SP prospect named Forrest Snow (no really, that's his real name). But again, we can always draft position player prospects since we don't have to draft starting pitchers, so Ocampo was expendable to pick up an established player at RF. Heyward serves as a major upgrade over previous starter Jason Bourgeois, who now slides down to 4th OF / PH / PR, a role where he's perfect.

We shored up the bullpen in this offseason by signing a few veterans too, including Chad Qualls and lefty Jeremy Affeldt.

Overall, a fantastic offseason! Can't wait for our opening series, which will be a battle against a tough Rangers team.

ShagVT · 09-14-2012, 12:10 PM

So I assume you are managing every game to make this happen?

Prodigal Son · 09-14-2012, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ShagVT

So I assume you are managing every game to make this happen?

Yep. I'll occasionally sim half-innings when I have a long-reliever pitching during a blowout or whatnot, but yeah, I play out the games. I'm in no hurry with this dynasty (as evidenced from the several-month layoff).

MarkCuban · 09-14-2012, 10:59 PM

This has gotta be one of the more epic threads I've read on here. Though I must say the Mariners are gonna turn into the MLB version of the Spurs if we keep at this pace. Glad to see you back.

Prodigal Son · 09-15-2012, 10:19 AM

2013 Pitching Staff (all pitcher star ratings are as the player is rated as a MR)

Starting Pitchers (SP's)
Ed Mujica (4 stars)
Blake Beavan (2 stars)
Chien-Ming Wang (4 stars)

High-Leverage Pitchers (HL's)
Brandon League (4.5 stars)
Craig Kimbrel (4.5 stars)
Jonny Venters (4.5 stars, LHP)
Cole Hamels (4 star, LHP)

Medium-Leverage Pitchers (ML's)
Chad Qualls (4 stars)
Shawn Kelley (3.5 stars)
Hisanori Takahashi (2.5 stars, LHP)

Low-Leverage Pitchers (LL's)
Jeremy Affeldt (2 stars, LHP)

No-Leverage Pitchers (NL's)
Justin De Fratus (2 stars)
Scott Downs (1.5 stars)

Others
Tom Milone (1 star, DL)
Hisashi Iwakuma (2.5 star, AAA)

Prospects who may be called up
Chance Ruffin (3.5 stars, 24 yrs old)
Addison Reed (3 stars, 24 yrs old)
Josh Lindblom (2.5 stars, 25 yrs old)
Jose Moreno (4 stars, 23 yrs old) *The Coach doesn't trust the scouting report on Moreno as a current 4-star talent

It's a good staff, but it's a bit short on lengthy arms. It's uncertain whether The Coach can get enough IP out of these arms to keep the system running. The Mariners may have to make a trade to bring in a low-end SP or call up Iwakuma, who has a rubber enough arm to throw a lot of innings. Erasmo Ramirez is another long man in AAA, but he doesn't excite anyone as basically a replacement-level pitcher. The Coach is sure he could either find a decent SP on the free agent market or else trade some of these young bullpen arms for a solid long man.

Prodigal Son · 09-15-2012, 05:15 PM

2013 Lineup

Vs RHP
1) Dee Gordon, SS
2) Mike Trout, CF
3) Jason Heyward, RF
4) Jesus Montero, C
5) Dustin Ackley, 2B
6) Justin Smoak, 1B
7) Mike Carp, DH
8) Kyle Seager, 3B
9) Emilio Bonifacio, LF

vs LHP
1) Dee Gordon, SS
2) Mike Trout, CF
3) Jesus Montero, C
4) Justin Smoak, 1B
5) Jason Heyward, DH
6) Andruw Jones, LF
7) Dustin Ackley, 2B
8) Omar Infante, 3B
9) Emilio Bonifacio, RF

Key Bench Players
C) Jose Lobaton
IF) Alex Liddi (AAA)
OF) Jason Bourgeois (DL, AAA)

Potential Prospect Call-ups
C) Christian Bethancourt (1.0 current, 2.5 potential)
2B) Nick Franklin (2.5 current, 4.5 potential)

mpejkrm · 09-15-2012, 05:45 PM

Where did Trout come from?

Prodigal Son · 04-07-2013, 02:50 PM

Just fired this back up, working my way game-by-game through 2013!

Prodigal Son · 05-19-2018, 12:16 AM

It's five years later. I got busy with real life and have gone that entire time without watching baseball, playing OOTP, following the progress of advanced baseball statistics (which I purposely eschewed in the context of this franchise thread), or consuming baseball in any way.

I've just gotten back into baseball and have watched most of my favorite team's games over the past month. I thought of this thread / idea again recently, as I've heard talk of managers now conducting "bullpen games." As far as I gather, these are games where, perhaps after an off-day when a team has a rested 'pen, it trots out a long relief arm to start a game, then plays matchups out of the 'pen from inning 4-5 to the end.

I also have noticed (anecdotally / by observation only) that pulling a starter in the 5th inning is now commonplace, whereas even a decade ago it was a scarlet letter to be pulled before roughly 6.1 - 6.2 innings. In addition, I'm witnessing a revolving door between teams and their AAA affiliates, sending down tired arms and bringing up replacement-level or slightly-above rested arms. Teams are also carrying more bullpen arms on the active roster in general.

These remarkable changes have led me to wonder whether we're seeing a slow and steady shift toward The System. Shorter starts, more relievers being called up and sent down, more bullpen arms on the roster, and the advent of "bullpen games."

To me, The System is a no-brainer for the evolution of baseball in the next 20 - 30 years, but of course I'd think that as the guy who's created specific strategies for it.

I recently bought a PS4 and The Show, and I'll be buying the most recent version of OOTP. The goal? Immerse myself in a team running The System, and maybe find enough time to write a short book about it. I see it as even more viable in 2018 than it was in 2012 when I created this thread.

Re-reading the thread, I think the thing that perhaps didn't come through in the context of playing one season with a fairly small market is that saving money on ace SP arms (the most expensive commodity in baseball) frees up so much cash for top relievers and bats.

Of course I don't have the original dynasty from six years ago, but I might drop in on this thread with observations from OOTP and The Show. And if I draft the book, I'll surely drop a note here too.

Prodigal Son · 05-20-2018, 06:50 PM

The Rays started Sergio Romo... and may do it two games in a row, under the logic that the first three hitters, in order, are the toughest half-inning of the game. Man, I gotta get that book cranked out.

Prodigal Son · 06-08-2018, 03:38 PM

Having a little fun with The System in MLB: The Show. I actually have to warm up relievers (and the game requires a good bit of warm up time), so it's a nice way to ensure this can be done. Here are my last two box scores.

Charlie Morton, with his reasonable salary and a low HR/9 rate, is a perfect system "starter."

I did a fantasy draft. Scooped up Ohtani early for his versatility, then found out the game doesn't allow me to use him properly (I can't put a pitcher in the field in The Show, apparently?). Anyway, it's a fun little experiment. Downloading OOTP now to do a fantasy draft in that and give it a go.

05-30-2012, 06:57 PM	#64
rferry All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2002 Location: DC Posts: 549	Do the starting pitchers hate you yet? __________________ please excuse my grammar, i read baseball weekly in my high school english classes.

09-14-2012, 10:59 PM	#70
MarkCuban All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 575	This has gotta be one of the more epic threads I've read on here. Though I must say the Mariners are gonna turn into the MLB version of the Spurs if we keep at this pace. Glad to see you back. __________________ Warning: Poster may not actually be owner of Dallas Mavericks.

05-19-2018, 12:16 AM	#75
Prodigal Son All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Iahiodo a.k.a. the flyover Posts: 1,635	It's five years later. I got busy with real life and have gone that entire time without watching baseball, playing OOTP, following the progress of advanced baseball statistics (which I purposely eschewed in the context of this franchise thread), or consuming baseball in any way. I've just gotten back into baseball and have watched most of my favorite team's games over the past month. I thought of this thread / idea again recently, as I've heard talk of managers now conducting "bullpen games." As far as I gather, these are games where, perhaps after an off-day when a team has a rested 'pen, it trots out a long relief arm to start a game, then plays matchups out of the 'pen from inning 4-5 to the end. I also have noticed (anecdotally / by observation only) that pulling a starter in the 5th inning is now commonplace, whereas even a decade ago it was a scarlet letter to be pulled before roughly 6.1 - 6.2 innings. In addition, I'm witnessing a revolving door between teams and their AAA affiliates, sending down tired arms and bringing up replacement-level or slightly-above rested arms. Teams are also carrying more bullpen arms on the active roster in general. These remarkable changes have led me to wonder whether we're seeing a slow and steady shift toward The System. Shorter starts, more relievers being called up and sent down, more bullpen arms on the roster, and the advent of "bullpen games." To me, The System is a no-brainer for the evolution of baseball in the next 20 - 30 years, but of course I'd think that as the guy who's created specific strategies for it. I recently bought a PS4 and The Show, and I'll be buying the most recent version of OOTP. The goal? Immerse myself in a team running The System, and maybe find enough time to write a short book about it. I see it as even more viable in 2018 than it was in 2012 when I created this thread. Re-reading the thread, I think the thing that perhaps didn't come through in the context of playing one season with a fairly small market is that saving money on ace SP arms (the most expensive commodity in baseball) frees up so much cash for top relievers and bats. Of course I don't have the original dynasty from six years ago, but I might drop in on this thread with observations from OOTP and The Show. And if I draft the book, I'll surely drop a note here too. Last edited by Prodigal Son; 05-19-2018 at 12:17 AM.

06-08-2018, 03:38 PM	#77
Prodigal Son All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Iahiodo a.k.a. the flyover Posts: 1,635	Having a little fun with The System in MLB: The Show. I actually have to warm up relievers (and the game requires a good bit of warm up time), so it's a nice way to ensure this can be done. Here are my last two box scores. Charlie Morton, with his reasonable salary and a low HR/9 rate, is a perfect system "starter." I did a fantasy draft. Scooped up Ohtani early for his versatility, then found out the game doesn't allow me to use him properly (I can't put a pitcher in the field in The Show, apparently?). Anyway, it's a fun little experiment. Downloading OOTP now to do a fantasy draft in that and give it a go. Attached Images

05-01-2012, 01:15 PM	#61
Stromson Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 46	Absolutely fascinating. Can't wait to see what comes of the offseason.

05-08-2012, 11:35 AM	#63
GCCWolverine Minors (Double A) Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Amherst, NY Posts: 145	I've attempted a similar strategy with my latest league. I'm playing out every game, and using 12-13 relievers instead of the traditional setup. I haven't gone as deep as you have, but I do tend to try and start weaker players, then bringing in the stronger pitchers to handle the heart of the lineup. It's a fictional league, so I was able to draft an amazing offense before getting my staff. One thing I messed up a bit on was stamina - most of my guys are under 20 in stamina, so I have to carry 13 pitchers, and 12 hitters - backup catcher, IF, and OF (my DH is also an OF), and the IF and OF have to be able to play all positions. Lots of success so far, though - 32-16, including a 10-1 stretch where my staff has a sub-3 era (in a league where the average is 5-ish), and the only loss was after an extra inning game where my tired staff gave up 16.

09-12-2012, 11:10 PM	#66
Prodigal Son All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Iahiodo a.k.a. the flyover Posts: 1,635	Seattle's first System offseason came and went with a decent amount of turnover and some surprising moves. The biggest splash came when the Mariners signed big-time free agent Cole Hamels to a five-year deal. The Coach settled in for an interview on MLB Network with Harold Reynolds: HR: Coach, I thought The System was about not spending big bucks on starting pitchers, but now you go out and spend huge money on an ace pitcher. What gives? The Coach: We spent a lot of money on one pitcher, yeah. And we have some contracts with escalators and other things going on this season with guys who have pitched well for us. But we're not obligated to spend a lot on any other pitchers going forward. If you look at next season, I think we're on the hook for $6 million to Brandon League, then our next-highest guy is Venters at maybe $3 million, then maybe a handful of guys at a million or two each. So compare that to a team paying a premium for three or four starters PLUS paying a premium for a couple relievers, and we're still way ahead of the game when it comes to expenses for our arms. HR: Why Hamels? The Coach: He was available! He's a good pitcher, and we had the money. Our success with having a competitive team last year and getting to the playoffs brought in some gate revenues that nobody expected. We headed into this offseason sitting on a lot of extra money, and ownership was fantastic about putting that money back on to the field, not just in their pockets. So we had a chance to be aggressive, and we went out and got a guy who we will get tremendous use out of. HR: Thanks, Coach. That's it for now with The Coach. He'll be heading into 2013 as the head man of a club that was one of the most active in the offseason. Tune in later in the show for a full analysis of all of Seattle's moves.

09-13-2012, 09:38 PM	#67
Prodigal Son All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Iahiodo a.k.a. the flyover Posts: 1,635	The coach grabbed his tablet the night before opening night. His mind was going a mile a minute, and the process of typing down some thoughts always relaxed him. He lie propped in bed and hammered out a few words: April 3, 2013 The first System offseason was much different than I expected. We were able to sign a lot of talent. I didn't realize until we got into free agency that The System frees up so many resources. We don't need a bunch of starting pitching prospects in the minors to fill a rotation, so we don't need as many draft picks as most teams. This means we can draft talent wherever we find it and trade our prospects to find the talent we need. Teams love their SP prospects, and we can dangle them for nice veteran returns. We also don't need to spend to sign or retain 3-4 good starting pitchers. In today's game of pitch counts, innings limits, and constant injuries to pitchers, it actually might be more like 4-6 starting pitchers that most teams need. We were able to spend a boatload of money one one ace, Cole Hamels. So now do I use him as an actual starter? Maybe get us a good start right from the start of tie games. Or do we use him as a super reliever, a guy who can pitch several innings in high-leverage situations? And with his arm and durability, I'm guessing he'll be able to go out there pretty often for us. Oh, and a big reason we paid him so much is because he's a lefty. He gives us a lot of flexibility if we do use him out of the 'pen. He can come in to face the heart of an order full of lefties, then we can leave him in to face righties as well if necessary. Deciding what to do with Hamels is a good problem for us to have. I could use a second good starting pitcher. Not an ace, but a high-end #3 type of guy. We had Oswalt, but with his injury issues, age, and salary, management thought it best to dangle him on waivers. I was a little surprised that there were claims on him, but at the same time, his salary isn't atrocious, and he should be effective if he's healthy. I could use him this year, but management had to do it I guess. Excited about bringing in Omar Infante as a utility player. He gives us a lot of positional flexibility to move guys around. Between him and Bonifacio--well, that's the flexibility a System team needs when we don't have a ton of position players rostered. We had two big position player acquisitions. We traded a good amount of prospect talent, including four-and-a-half star outfield prospect Fernando Siese, to pick up shortstop Dee Gordon and veteran reliever Josh Lindblom from the Dodgers. Brendan Ryan has had a lot of injuries lately and isn't great with the bat. He's owed over $2 million each year for the next three or four years, so I anticipate management will waive him and try to get rid of his salary. He's fantastic with the glove and hits just enough that some team with a big hole at that spot might spring to pay him. Our second big pick up was Jason Heyward, who the Braves kind of soured on after two mediocre years compared to his expectations. Sure, his OPS each year was under .800, and he's owed $6 mil this year through his arbitration award, but we had a huge hole at RF. He's a good defensive player who posted a .341 OBP last season with 18 HR, plus at 23 he might still take a step up toward that potential everyone thought he had. We paid a huge premium to get him, unfortunately. We sent our top prospect, five-star speedster Sergio Ocampo, along with solid SP Hector Noesi and a good SP prospect named Forrest Snow (no really, that's his real name). But again, we can always draft position player prospects since we don't have to draft starting pitchers, so Ocampo was expendable to pick up an established player at RF. Heyward serves as a major upgrade over previous starter Jason Bourgeois, who now slides down to 4th OF / PH / PR, a role where he's perfect. We shored up the bullpen in this offseason by signing a few veterans too, including Chad Qualls and lefty Jeremy Affeldt. Overall, a fantastic offseason! Can't wait for our opening series, which will be a battle against a tough Rangers team.

09-14-2012, 12:10 PM	#68
ShagVT Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 101	So I assume you are managing every game to make this happen?

09-15-2012, 10:19 AM	#71
Prodigal Son All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Iahiodo a.k.a. the flyover Posts: 1,635	2013 Pitching Staff (all pitcher star ratings are as the player is rated as a MR) Starting Pitchers (SP's) Ed Mujica (4 stars) Blake Beavan (2 stars) Chien-Ming Wang (4 stars) High-Leverage Pitchers (HL's) Brandon League (4.5 stars) Craig Kimbrel (4.5 stars) Jonny Venters (4.5 stars, LHP) Cole Hamels (4 star, LHP) Medium-Leverage Pitchers (ML's) Chad Qualls (4 stars) Shawn Kelley (3.5 stars) Hisanori Takahashi (2.5 stars, LHP) Low-Leverage Pitchers (LL's) Jeremy Affeldt (2 stars, LHP) No-Leverage Pitchers (NL's) Justin De Fratus (2 stars) Scott Downs (1.5 stars) Others Tom Milone (1 star, DL) Hisashi Iwakuma (2.5 star, AAA) Prospects who may be called up Chance Ruffin (3.5 stars, 24 yrs old) Addison Reed (3 stars, 24 yrs old) Josh Lindblom (2.5 stars, 25 yrs old) Jose Moreno (4 stars, 23 yrs old) *The Coach doesn't trust the scouting report on Moreno as a current 4-star talent It's a good staff, but it's a bit short on lengthy arms. It's uncertain whether The Coach can get enough IP out of these arms to keep the system running. The Mariners may have to make a trade to bring in a low-end SP or call up Iwakuma, who has a rubber enough arm to throw a lot of innings. Erasmo Ramirez is another long man in AAA, but he doesn't excite anyone as basically a replacement-level pitcher. The Coach is sure he could either find a decent SP on the free agent market or else trade some of these young bullpen arms for a solid long man.

09-15-2012, 05:15 PM	#72
Prodigal Son All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Iahiodo a.k.a. the flyover Posts: 1,635	2013 Lineup Vs RHP 1) Dee Gordon, SS 2) Mike Trout, CF 3) Jason Heyward, RF 4) Jesus Montero, C 5) Dustin Ackley, 2B 6) Justin Smoak, 1B 7) Mike Carp, DH 8) Kyle Seager, 3B 9) Emilio Bonifacio, LF vs LHP 1) Dee Gordon, SS 2) Mike Trout, CF 3) Jesus Montero, C 4) Justin Smoak, 1B 5) Jason Heyward, DH 6) Andruw Jones, LF 7) Dustin Ackley, 2B 8) Omar Infante, 3B 9) Emilio Bonifacio, RF Key Bench Players C) Jose Lobaton IF) Alex Liddi (AAA) OF) Jason Bourgeois (DL, AAA) Potential Prospect Call-ups C) Christian Bethancourt (1.0 current, 2.5 potential) 2B) Nick Franklin (2.5 current, 4.5 potential)

09-15-2012, 05:45 PM	#73
mpejkrm All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 951	Where did Trout come from?

04-07-2013, 02:50 PM	#74
Prodigal Son All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Iahiodo a.k.a. the flyover Posts: 1,635	Just fired this back up, working my way game-by-game through 2013!

05-20-2018, 06:50 PM	#76
Prodigal Son All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Iahiodo a.k.a. the flyover Posts: 1,635	The Rays started Sergio Romo... and may do it two games in a row, under the logic that the first three hitters, in order, are the toughest half-inning of the game. Man, I gotta get that book cranked out.