Big East / Big Ten.

[Skipaway]

Originally Posted by William Satterwhite

Expansion would happen in 2012 while the current BCS contract runs until 2014.



Possibly but I think it would take more than money in that scenario (big time future scheduling arrangements and anything else that can sweeten the deal). As long as there is still a chance the Big 12 can retain their BCS auto-bid status in some way through whatever loopholes that can be exploited, Baylor would be essentially screwing themselves and their left behind compatriots.

The 2 BCS automatic bid for Pac 16 scenario is much more likely, because Pac 16 would actually be the conference that has 6 Big 12 teams still playing together.

Baylor wouldn't be screwing themselves, considering that the new Big 12 wouldn't be able to offer much money. They might as well just join Conference USA which is a better fit for them over all anyway.

[William Satterwhite]

Originally Posted by Skipaway

The 2 BCS automatic bid for Pac 16 scenario is much more likely, because Pac 16 would actually be the conference that has 6 Big 12 teams still playing together.

I can't see the SEC allowing the Pac 16 (or anyone else for that matter) two automatic bids, they'll blow the system up before that happens. The SEC and likely ACC are going to fight anything they can that tips the balance of power further to the Pac 10(16) and Big 10.

Baylor wouldn't be screwing themselves, considering that the new Big 12 wouldn't be able to offer much money. They might as well just join Conference USA which is a better fit for them over all anyway.

It wouldn't surprise me if the ex-SWC schools in Conference USA torpedo any Baylor talk, there's still a lot of bad blood left over from how they helped screw those schools when the SWC went under. Plus, there really is no need for C-USA to add Baylor unless it's a package deal with the other three leftovers (or at least just the Kansas schools)- unless they can guarantee Scott Drew is going to stay at the school forever and keep the basketball program strong, Baylor isn't really that attractive to a conference that already has a strong presence in Texas and already has 12 schools.

Baylor and Iowa State are really the low men on the totem pole, their fate lies with the more attractive Kansas schools (assuming those two are tied at the hip, ala Texas/Texas A+M and Oklahoma/Oklahoma St) as those two don't really appeal to any conference outside of a 4-team package deal. The WAC might be a fit for Baylor to give them a presence in Texas and give Louisiana Tech a closer neighbor but that's about it, I don't even think the Mountain West would want them unless they also bring the Kansas schools. Baylor by itself isn't a draw.

[dudeosu]

I think if Kansas becomes a free agent then the Big 10 will take them over Mizzou or a Big East school and tell K-St. to take a hike, assuming of course they want to go beyond 12 schools.

[dsvitak]

Originally Posted by dudeosu

I think if Kansas becomes a free agent then the Big 10 will take them over Mizzou or a Big East school and tell K-St. to take a hike, assuming of course they want to go beyond 12 schools.

Doesn't work that way. There is a LAW in Kansas where the two Kansas schools, Kansas and K-State, are REQUIRED to be in the same conference.

This means Kansas isn't going into the Big Ten, OR Pac Ten.

[dudeosu]

Originally Posted by dsvitak

Doesn't work that way. There is a LAW in Kansas where the two Kansas schools, Kansas and K-State, are REQUIRED to be in the same conference.

This means Kansas isn't going into the Big Ten, OR Pac Ten.

Find me that law and I'll believe it.

[dsvitak]

News flash: Colorado joins the Pac 10.

This virtually guarantees the six Texas schools, and Oklahoma, will join them.

Nebraska is a lock for the Big 10.

This leaves the two Kansas schools, Missouri, Baylor, and Iowa (or Iowa St...never could remember which one is in the Big 12) all needing a home.

My guess would be that these five would be part of a big expansion of the Mountain West, which is very close to getting Boise St.

This would make the Mountain West the nearest thing to a mega conference that wasn't the ACC, SEC, PAC 16, or Big 10 (12, 14, or whatever).

I could easily see six huge mega conferences, of 16 teams each.

[dsvitak]

Originally Posted by dudeosu

Find me that law and I'll believe it.

I went looking for it, couldn't find it. I read it on one of the ESPN blogs...not by a poster, on the main blog.

It sure does look like my Mizzou Tigers are screwed on this one....

[William Satterwhite]

Originally Posted by dsvitak

I went looking for it, couldn't find it. I read it on one of the ESPN blogs...not by a poster, on the main blog.

It sure does look like my Mizzou Tigers are screwed on this one....

On an ESPN podcast, the guy from orangebloods.com who has been reporting everything first points out that everybody in the Big 12 is basically pissed at Missouri. It's towards the very end right before it cuts off but he says something to the effect of everybody else being willing to drop Missouri altogether to preserve the conference if Nebraska had stayed.

The podcast is on this page- Source: Pac-10 Conference poised to invite 6 Big 12 Conference teams - ESPN

[eriqjaffe]

Originally Posted by dsvitak

Iowa (or Iowa St...never could remember which one is in the Big 12)

You're thinking of Iowa State. Iowa's been in the Big 10 since 1899.

[dsvitak]

Originally Posted by William Satterwhite

On an ESPN podcast, the guy from orangebloods.com who has been reporting everything first points out that everybody in the Big 12 is basically pissed at Missouri. It's towards the very end right before it cuts off but he says something to the effect of everybody else being willing to drop Missouri altogether to preserve the conference if Nebraska had stayed.

The podcast is on this page- Source: Pac-10 Conference poised to invite 6 Big 12 Conference teams - ESPN

This is absurd. It is TEXAS and OKLAHOMA that have been pushing the other schools around for years.

I could show you a dozen articles that talk about how pissed off Nebraska is about the status quo...how they, and Missouri, and all the other schools not named Texas and Oklahoma get screwed every year.

Bottom line, if Texas and Oklahoma LEAVE the Big 12, voluntarily, then they get to pony up 10 million dollars, EACH to be given to the rest of the league. This goes for ANY team leaving the Big 12. This is a rather nice payday for Mizzou...potentially 70 million dollars split amongst the remaining 5 teams.

Oh... orangebloods.com is a Texas football website. What else would they say? Heh heh heh...idiots. Not exactly objective.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by William Satterwhite

On an ESPN podcast, the guy from orangebloods.com who has been reporting everything first points out that everybody in the Big 12 is basically pissed at Missouri. It's towards the very end right before it cuts off but he says something to the effect of everybody else being willing to drop Missouri altogether to preserve the conference if Nebraska had stayed.

The podcast is on this page- Source: Pac-10 Conference poised to invite 6 Big 12 Conference teams - ESPN

Why even have 2 divisions if there isn't going to be a conference championship game? (I know, MONEY)

[William Satterwhite]

I think the anti-Missouri feeling (assuming it's not just Longhorn propaganda ) is based on the idea that they're really responsible for the Big 12 being in trouble to begin with by first floating the idea that they would be willing to jump ship and openly courting the Big Ten. While everybody else might have been upset at the Texas/Oklahoma bias, Missouri seems to have been the only ones to admit they'd be willing to jump if given the chance. Or at least they were the first to do so publicly.

[William Satterwhite]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Why even have 2 divisions if there isn't going to be a conference championship game? (I know, MONEY)

If they do get 2 BCS bids there wouldn't really be a need for a need for a championship game, basically it would just be two mini-conferences.

[dudeosu]

Well when you look at the Big 12 meeting trascripts, you get a feel for why there's some bad feelings (language warning).

Adventures of the Big 12: Twelve Angry Men - Bring On The Cats

[William Satterwhite]

Just saw this regarding KU and KSU-

KU's basketball tradition is the biggest selling point for either school, which raises the possibility that conferences could target the Jayhawks ahead of K-State. Though state leaders have expressed a desire to keep the schools united, no legal bond exists.

"There is no state law, no Board of Regents policy that would require KU and K-State be members of the same conference," said Kip Peterson, a spokesman for the Kansas Board of Regents. "Looking at the statement released by the board, which is the governing body for K-State and KU, they feel it is in the state's best interest and those institution's best interest for them to remain tied together."

KU-KSU: 'Til death do us part? | CJOnline.com

[The Professor]

Sheesh! Mizzou has gone from being an "ideal" candidate to join the Big Ten to staring at being a beggar program looking for a conference.

[yankeesrule]

Originally Posted by The Professor

Sheesh! Mizzou has gone from being an "ideal" candidate to join the Big Ten to staring at being a beggar program looking for a conference.

They f'd themselves. Everything was being kept on the DL, with the media assuming stuff but nothing really beyond speculation until mizzou leaked the news about them, nebraska, and rutgers being on the verge of getting invites or possibly already having received them. The B10 wanted to take their time and do things slow but when that leak came out, everything really started picking up a lot. Now the B10's possibly telling them to go screw.

[Skipaway]

Originally Posted by yankeesrule

They f'd themselves. Everything was being kept on the DL, with the media assuming stuff but nothing really beyond speculation until mizzou leaked the news about them, nebraska, and rutgers being on the verge of getting invites or possibly already having received them. The B10 wanted to take their time and do things slow but when that leak came out, everything really started picking up a lot. Now the B10's possibly telling them to go screw.

Although that first report was from Kansas City media, but Missouri denied it right away. Kansas City media has been providing all kind of rumors that turned out to be false. We really have no idea what happened there.

In the other hand, Texas might have been the real big mouth throughout all this. Chip Brown's reports on Orangebloods.com mostly turned out to be correct.

[TheRaven]

Now there are rumors that Texas, and possibly Texas A&M, could be angling to get in the Big 10 as well. I also have read that they could be in talks with the SEC. It looks like Texas is going to play up each side, at the very least. Even if they aren't talking, once the rumors start up and people start talking, it will boost their value and options without them having to do anything.

I seriously doubt that A&M would be welcome in the Big 10, but if they are seriously considering the SEC due to Gene Stallings connections there, then Texas would not have to worry about staying with them. It has gone from what, at first, appeared had to be a package deal of Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech and Baylor, to now possibly Texas being a loner and going where they can best enhance their own financial situation.

Originally Posted by dsvitak

...and Iowa (or Iowa St...never could remember which one is in the Big 12) all needing a home.

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[dudeosu]

Originally Posted by TheRaven

Now there are rumors that Texas, and possibly Texas A&M, could be angling to get in the Big 10 as well. I also have read that they could be in talks with the SEC. It looks like Texas is going to play up each side, at the very least. Even if they aren't talking, once the rumors start up and people start talking, it will boost their value and options without them having to do anything.

I seriously doubt that A&M would be welcome in the Big 10, but if they are seriously considering the SEC due to Gene Stallings connections there, then Texas would not have to worry about staying with them. It has gone from what, at first, appeared had to be a package deal of Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech and Baylor, to now possibly Texas being a loner and going where they can best enhance their own financial situation.



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If Texas and TA&M aren't necessarily a package deal, and do go their separate ways, there's a possibility that this thing stops at 14 teams per conference. Playing 9 conference games makes that a bit more reasonable when you want to see matchups. Probably wishful thinking though.