Kobe Bryant is approcahing 80 - Page 4

Bobbuttons · 01-23-2006, 02:23 PM

I still don't know how anybody can consider this better than Wilt's game. Sure, Wilt was a man among boys at the time, but his points came much more in the normal flow of the game, Philly had 5 players in double figures for that game. Take into account his 25 rebounds (say all you want about his position being different than Kobe's, if you want to say that it's the best performance of all time then you HAVE to take into account the other numbers) and the fact that he got to the line 32 times and despite having a career .511 FT%, he hit 28 (.875).

I don't discount Kobe's 81 at all. I just think it's 2nd to Chamberlain.

One interesting note that I just discovered.. Wilt averaged 50.4 points and 25.7 rebounds in the 1962 season, yet the MVP award went to Bill Russell, who averaged 18.9 PPG, 23.6 RPG and 4.5 APG.

sixto · 01-23-2006, 02:25 PM

I wonder if Allen Iverson will hoist 46 shots in his next game.

phenom · 01-23-2006, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobbuttons

I still don't know how anybody can consider this better than Wilt's game. Sure, Wilt was a man among boys at the time, but his points came much more in the normal flow of the game, Philly had 5 players in double figures for that game. Take into account his 25 rebounds (say all you want about his position being different than Kobe's, if you want to say that it's the best performance of all time then you HAVE to take into account the other numbers) and the fact that he got to the line 32 times and despite having a career .511 FT%, he hit 28 (.875).

I don't discount Kobe's 81 at all. I just think it's 2nd to Chamberlain.

One interesting note that I just discovered.. Wilt averaged 50.4 points and 25.7 rebounds in the 1962 season, yet the MVP award went to Bill Russell, who averaged 18.9 PPG, 23.6 RPG and 4.5 APG.

No three-second rule at the time.

Opponent was playing a backup center.

matskralc · 01-23-2006, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Gastric ReFlux

Sneak an extra guy or two onto the floor.

It worked for Nebraska in the Alamo Bowl!!!!!!11

01-23-2006, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobbuttons

I still don't know how anybody can consider this better than Wilt's game. Sure, Wilt was a man among boys at the time, but his points came much more in the normal flow of the game, Philly had 5 players in double figures for that game. Take into account his 25 rebounds (say all you want about his position being different than Kobe's, if you want to say that it's the best performance of all time then you HAVE to take into account the other numbers) and the fact that he got to the line 32 times and despite having a career .511 FT%, he hit 28 (.875).

I don't discount Kobe's 81 at all. I just think it's 2nd to Chamberlain.

One interesting note that I just discovered.. Wilt averaged 50.4 points and 25.7 rebounds in the 1962 season, yet the MVP award went to Bill Russell, who averaged 18.9 PPG, 23.6 RPG and 4.5 APG.

Wilt Chamberlain scored 59% of his team's points. Bryant scored 66% of his team's points. Throw in the fact that Chamberlain was playing with another Hall of Famer in Arizin and it's basically a moot point. Chamberlain's TS% was "only" .649. Kobe's was .739. Wilt scored 100 in a 169-147 game; or 68% of the opponent total. Kobe scored 81 vs. Toronto's 104, or 78% of their total. Wilt needed 48 minutes to get his totals. Kobe got his in 41 minutes. Wilt's game had 138 possessions. Kobe's game only had 105. If Kobe had that many possessions, he was on pace for 106 points. Do you need me to go on?

Sublimity · 01-23-2006, 02:44 PM

Please do.

While we're throwing out stats, Wilt claimed to have slept with 20,000 women. Kobe acknowldges sleeping with but one (but has had to argue that it was with consent; I can't see Wilt ever having to make that argument). Advantage: Wilt.

IatricSB · 01-23-2006, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobbuttons

I still don't know how anybody can consider this better than Wilt's game. Sure, Wilt was a man among boys at the time, but his points came much more in the normal flow of the game, Philly had 5 players in double figures for that game. Take into account his 25 rebounds (say all you want about his position being different than Kobe's, if you want to say that it's the best performance of all time then you HAVE to take into account the other numbers) and the fact that he got to the line 32 times and despite having a career .511 FT%, he hit 28 (.875).

I don't discount Kobe's 81 at all. I just think it's 2nd to Chamberlain.

One interesting note that I just discovered.. Wilt averaged 50.4 points and 25.7 rebounds in the 1962 season, yet the MVP award went to Bill Russell, who averaged 18.9 PPG, 23.6 RPG and 4.5 APG.

In addition to the other responses in answer to your post, the ESPN morning show was saying it was best because it was a guard shooting mostly from the perimiter.

I think their both truly exceptional feats and don't really see the need to compare. And yes, Eck said it well.

boilermaker · 01-23-2006, 03:04 PM

Ha, well at the game, whenever Kobe got the ball, the entire Raptors team converged on him. I think he got the majority of his last dozen points or so at the line.

There was one great behind the back dribble past a defender into a pump on one side of the rim, pull down, and finger roll up the other side of the rim, but he missed that shot.

The 60% vs. 30% Kobe/teamates shooting percentages seems very relevent to me in considering the ballhog argument. It would seem like wise strategy to me to get the ball to the players who shoot best on your team....that's just me.

Jair · 01-23-2006, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobbuttons

I still don't know how anybody can consider this better than Wilt's game.

The difficulty at which the points were scored is why it makes it better. Wilt Chamberlain put his big body in the lane, and was unstoppable. By all means, I'm taking no credit away from Wilt because he is the most dominant player in the history of the NBA. But when a swing player (who has to dribble through defense and pull up to shoot his shots) goes for 81, it is much harder than Wilt's layup and dunk after layup and dunk.

His Own Bad Self · 01-23-2006, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Yyzlin

Big men tend to generate more assists for teammates. Also, Wilt's game had TONS more possessions than Kobe's game. I haven't done the math, but if you equalize the possessions, Kobe's performance today is likely as impressive or even more impressive than Wilt's 100 point game.

Wilt's game would be equivalent to about a 70-point, 20-rebound performance (or something like that, at today's pace). If Shaq in his prime had ever gotten hot from the FT line, he could have approached that, I'm sure. He did get to 61 once.

A 70 pt, 20 reb performance versus an 81 pt, 6 reb performance. Forced to choose, I'll take the 81 points, but I can see the other side of it.

Erik W. · 01-23-2006, 03:42 PM

I can't stand Kobe Bryant.

That said, he's currently the best player in the NBA, and his 81 is definately more impressive than Wilt's 100.

dodgecharger1968 · 01-23-2006, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jair

The difficulty at which the points were scored is why it makes it better. Wilt Chamberlain put his big body in the lane, and was unstoppable. By all means, I'm taking no credit away from Wilt because he is the most dominant player in the history of the NBA. But when a swing player (who has to dribble through defense and pull up to shoot his shots) goes for 81, it is much harder than Wilt's layup and dunk after layup and dunk.

Gotcha. Wilt was better, so you expect accomplishments like that out of him as a matter of course. So for a low in the rotation guy to go out and put up twenty is an equally huge accomplishment, because of the difficulty of putting up points when you're the fifth option in short minutes.

phenom · 01-23-2006, 03:46 PM

If Shaq didn't have to worry about the 3-second rule, he could've hit for 80, and maybe knocked on 100, more than once in his prime.

IatricSB · 01-23-2006, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jdawgsenior

If Shaq in his prime had ever gotten hot from the FT line, he could have approached that, I'm sure. He did get to 61 once.

Wilt wasn't much of FT shooter either.

disposableheros · 01-23-2006, 04:07 PM

simply amazing.

1 note, if it matters, no 3-pointer in Wilt's day.

Jair · 01-23-2006, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dodgecharger1968

Gotcha. Wilt was better, so you expect accomplishments like that out of him as a matter of course. So for a low in the rotation guy to go out and put up twenty is an equally huge accomplishment, because of the difficulty of putting up points when you're the fifth option in short minutes.

I didn't say anything about "expecting" Wilt to dominate. I said Kobe's 81 was harder (in degree of difficulty) than Wilt's 100.

Jair · 01-23-2006, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by phenom

If Shaq didn't have to worry about the 3-second rule, he could've hit for 80, and maybe knocked on 100, more than once in his prime.

Agreed.

EDIT: No I don't, Penny Hardaway would've stolen a few of his shots

drprestwood · 01-23-2006, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sublimity

While we're throwing out stats, Wilt claimed to have slept with 20,000 women. Kobe acknowldges sleeping with but one (but has had to argue that it was with consent; I can't see Wilt ever having to make that argument). Advantage: Wilt.

Actually, we can assume Kobe has slept with his wife. Let's call that two women. He's getting closer...

Sublimity · 01-23-2006, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by drprestwood

Actually, we can assume Kobe has slept with his wife. Let's call that two women. He's getting closer...

Has he ever claimed that? Maybe he did, during the Colorado saga, I'm not sure.

Either way, 20,000 - 2 is an impressive advantage for the stilt (and what did THAT refer to??).

darkhorse · 01-23-2006, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TonyJ

The rest of the team sucks.

"Knows dick all about basketball, yet pretends to be an expert." :snicker:

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/lamar_odom/index.html

Ranks #10 in the NBA in Rebounds Per Game(9.4)
Ranks #10 in the NBA in Minutes Per Game(39.5)
Ranks #5 in the NBA in Minutes Played(1580.0)
Ranks #8 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds(285.0)
Ranks #11 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds Per Game(7.1)
Ranks #8 in the NBA in Total Rebounds(376.0)
Ranks #18 in the NBA in Assists(221.0)
Ranks #13 in the NBA in Double-doubles(16.0)
Ranks #18 in the NBA in Total Turnovers(102.0)
Ranks #17 in the NBA in Total Efficiency Points(850.0)

01-23-2006, 02:23 PM	#61
Bobbuttons Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Picturesque Mentor-on-the-Lake, Ohio Posts: 3,708	I still don't know how anybody can consider this better than Wilt's game. Sure, Wilt was a man among boys at the time, but his points came much more in the normal flow of the game, Philly had 5 players in double figures for that game. Take into account his 25 rebounds (say all you want about his position being different than Kobe's, if you want to say that it's the best performance of all time then you HAVE to take into account the other numbers) and the fact that he got to the line 32 times and despite having a career .511 FT%, he hit 28 (.875). I don't discount Kobe's 81 at all. I just think it's 2nd to Chamberlain. One interesting note that I just discovered.. Wilt averaged 50.4 points and 25.7 rebounds in the 1962 season, yet the MVP award went to Bill Russell, who averaged 18.9 PPG, 23.6 RPG and 4.5 APG. __________________ Frankenstein never scared me. Marsupials do....cause they're fast! Gibson swings, and a fly ball to deep right field! This is gonna be a home run! Unbelievable! A home run for Gibson! And the Dodgers have won the game, 5 to 4; I don't believe what I just saw! I don't believe what I just saw!

01-23-2006, 02:44 PM	#66
Sublimity Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: This thread. Posts: 3,199	Please do. While we're throwing out stats, Wilt claimed to have slept with 20,000 women. Kobe acknowldges sleeping with but one (but has had to argue that it was with consent; I can't see Wilt ever having to make that argument). Advantage: Wilt. __________________ mrs ria: I hereby dub Sublimity the Glorious Upholder of the 5B3. Current leading vote-getter in the Worst Poster in OT History poll.

01-23-2006, 04:07 PM	#75
disposableheros Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,332	simply amazing. 1 note, if it matters, no 3-pointer in Wilt's day. __________________ 2 Wild Cards, 11 Division Champs, 4 League Champs, 3 World Champs, and 3 Best GM awards Baseball Maelstrom - New York Mets - 180-149 .547 Corporate League Baseball - Coke Buzz - 889-649 .578 Western Hemisphere Baseball League - Santiago Saints - 672-793 .459 Record - 2428-2271 .517

01-23-2006, 02:25 PM	#62
sixto Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,262	I wonder if Allen Iverson will hoist 46 shots in his next game.

01-23-2006, 03:04 PM	#68
boilermaker All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 1,956	Ha, well at the game, whenever Kobe got the ball, the entire Raptors team converged on him. I think he got the majority of his last dozen points or so at the line. There was one great behind the back dribble past a defender into a pump on one side of the rim, pull down, and finger roll up the other side of the rim, but he missed that shot. The 60% vs. 30% Kobe/teamates shooting percentages seems very relevent to me in considering the ballhog argument. It would seem like wise strategy to me to get the ball to the players who shoot best on your team....that's just me.

01-23-2006, 03:42 PM	#71
Erik W. Global Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Rivière-du-Loup, Qc Posts: 4,615	I can't stand Kobe Bryant. That said, he's currently the best player in the NBA, and his 81 is definately more impressive than Wilt's 100.

01-23-2006, 03:46 PM	#73
phenom Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Near the Great Wall. On the GOOD side. Posts: 3,768	If Shaq didn't have to worry about the 3-second rule, he could've hit for 80, and maybe knocked on 100, more than once in his prime.