Cubs 2005-06 Offseason Thread - Page 4

bigdgp2 · 11-23-2005, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sublimity

As long as you're overspending for guys falling off the table, I hear some guy named Sosa is available...

I already said... Sosa is going to the Tigers dang it

Anywho, the Cubs should definitely COUGH get the COUGH cheaper COUGH Jeromy Burnitz named COUGH Kevin Mench.

Sorry lol

my point being, Mench wouldn't really help either.

Sublimity · 11-23-2005, 04:20 PM

Fine, fine. Let's stick to relievers. You want Danny Kolb? I will personally drive to Atlanta, kidnap him, and drive him to Chicago. You don't even have to give us anything back in return.

bigdgp2 · 11-23-2005, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sublimity

Fine, fine. Let's stick to relievers. You want Danny Kolb? I will personally drive to Atlanta, kidnap him, and drive him to Chicago. You don't even have to give us anything back in return.

Derrek Lee for Danny Kolb sounds very fair

If you want.. we could also pay for Lee's contract for the rest of his career

Sublimity · 11-23-2005, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bigdgp2

Derrek Lee for Danny Kolb sounds very fair

...

When did Hendry get your password?

eswan9 · 11-23-2005, 05:47 PM

If this Howry signing goes down, expect some young relievers to get traded for an OF. BTW I don't think Giles is headed to the Windy city.

NCBeachBum · 11-23-2005, 11:06 PM

ESPN Radio is yet again announcing y'all have a done deal for Pierre. This time, though, they're actually naming a name.... Pinto.

bigdgp2 · 11-23-2005, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by NCBeachBum

ESPN Radio is yet again announcing y'all have a done deal for Pierre. This time, though, they're actually naming a name.... Pinto.

Please oh please don't be true

UngratefulDead · 11-23-2005, 11:21 PM

Don't the Cubs already have a speedy centerfielder who can't hit?

bigdgp2 · 11-23-2005, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by UngratefulDead

Don't the Cubs already have a speedy centerfielder who can't hit?

Yeah..

Patterson 2005 OPS: .602 (Patterson did have less PA in 2005 though since he was sent down to AAA for awhile)
Pierre 2005 OPS: .688

not that much of an improvement Hendry

NCBeachBum · 11-23-2005, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bigdgp2

Please oh please don't be true

It's the third time in a week ESPN Radio has said this deal (Pierre, I mean... they haven't mentioned who for the other two times) was done and would be announced within 24 hours. So there's a good chance it's not.

mrcoach00 · 11-23-2005, 11:26 PM

Pierre for Pinto? Ouch. Renyel Pinto is my pick for ROY if the Marlins give him a shot. Look at his minor league numbers (mostly AA and a few awful AAA starts), the fact that he is a lefty, minus the goofy wind-up... and presto! You have another Dontrelle Willis. I hate to compare a Pinto to Willis, but at the time Dontrelle was traded, who had ever heard of him. Besides I'm tired of the Cubs trading guys like Jon Garland for the Matt Karchner's of the world.
Atleast the Cubs got one good year out of Alfonseca and a few out of Clement for Willis. I'm not banking on Pierre though.

Sarcastic · 11-23-2005, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by bigdgp2

Yeah..

Patterson 2005 OPS: .602
Pierre 2005 OPS: .688

not that much of an improvement Hendry

Do you really think that Pierre will repeat the worst season of his career? He is likely to be a decent lead off man. Nothing special, but much better that Patterson, who couldn't even post a .300 OBP last year.

bigdgp2 · 11-23-2005, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by NCBeachBum

It's the third time in a week ESPN Radio has said this deal (Pierre, I mean... they haven't mentioned who for the other two times) was done and would be announced within 24 hours. So there's a good chance it's not.

Seeing that cheers me up a bit

Seriously though, if Hendry pulls this deal off, I will really begin to doubt him. I've already doubted the Chicago Tribune for a long time. Maybe that's not saying much, but damn, Hendry made many questionable moves during his tenure (Stating the obvious?)

I mean, I don't know if I'd want him fired yet, but if he pulled the trigger on the deal for Pierre and actually depend on him to produce in a lineup, I will begin to doubt him.

bigdgp2 · 11-23-2005, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sarcastic

Do you really think that Pierre will repeat the worst season of his career? He is likely to be a decent lead off man. Nothing special, but much better that Patterson, who couldn't even post a .300 OBP last year.

Still, Pierre never had an OPS that touched .800. His career OPS is .730. Not exactly great.

NCBeachBum · 11-23-2005, 11:40 PM

Eh, to be fair to the guy, you can probably expect him to put up an OBP over .360. That's a somewhat above average leadoff hitter these days, I think. Power ain't everything. Also, Patterson's played his home games in a more hitter friendly environment.

Still, from the outside looking in, it doesn't look to me as if this deal solves any of y'all's problems.

QuestGAV · 11-23-2005, 11:51 PM

I looked up Pinto, he appeared to have gotten shelled each time he stepped up to AAA. Was he considered one of the Cubs top pitching prospects or is he basically a placeholder?

Sarcastic · 11-23-2005, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by NCBeachBum

Eh, to be fair to the guy, you can probably expect him to put up an OBP over .360. That's a somewhat above average leadoff hitter these days, I think. Power ain't everything. Also, Patterson's played his home games in a more hitter friendly environment.

Still, from the outside looking in, it doesn't look to me as if this deal solves any of y'all's problems.

Well, it partially solves the OF problem. The Cubs need at least two new outfielders unless they want to use Corey Patterson again.

mrcoach00 · 11-24-2005, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by QuestGAV

I looked up Pinto, he appeared to have gotten shelled each time he stepped up to AAA. Was he considered one of the Cubs top pitching prospects or is he basically a placeholder?

Pinto was the top lefty starter in the minors for the Cubs. I beleive he led the Cubs' minor leaguers in strikeouts this past season and he was going to get a long look during spring training this year, especially if Wood coming off of surgery.

bigdgp2 · 11-27-2005, 04:01 PM

MLBTraderumors.com reports that the Cubs are interested in Milton Bradley.. that's much better than Juan Pierre

NCBeachBum · 11-27-2005, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bigdgp2

MLBTraderumors.com reports that the Cubs are interested in Milton Bradley.. that's much better than Juan Pierre

They also say that he's Hendry's backup plan if the Pierre deal falls through..... so Pierre is y'all's first choice.

11-23-2005, 04:20 PM	#62
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11-23-2005, 11:06 PM	#66
NCBeachBum All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Topsail Island, NC, USA Posts: 1,049	ESPN Radio is yet again announcing y'all have a done deal for Pierre. This time, though, they're actually naming a name.... Pinto. __________________ And ain't that a shame, shame, shame Shame, shame, the way you do Oh, it's a shame, shame, shame Shame, shame on you

11-23-2005, 11:40 PM	#75
NCBeachBum All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Topsail Island, NC, USA Posts: 1,049	Eh, to be fair to the guy, you can probably expect him to put up an OBP over .360. That's a somewhat above average leadoff hitter these days, I think. Power ain't everything. Also, Patterson's played his home games in a more hitter friendly environment. Still, from the outside looking in, it doesn't look to me as if this deal solves any of y'all's problems. __________________ And ain't that a shame, shame, shame Shame, shame, the way you do Oh, it's a shame, shame, shame Shame, shame on you

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UngratefulDead Banned Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 3,415	Don't the Cubs already have a speedy centerfielder who can't hit?

11-23-2005, 11:26 PM	#71
mrcoach00 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Peoria, IL Posts: 217	Pierre for Pinto? Ouch. Renyel Pinto is my pick for ROY if the Marlins give him a shot. Look at his minor league numbers (mostly AA and a few awful AAA starts), the fact that he is a lefty, minus the goofy wind-up... and presto! You have another Dontrelle Willis. I hate to compare a Pinto to Willis, but at the time Dontrelle was traded, who had ever heard of him. Besides I'm tired of the Cubs trading guys like Jon Garland for the Matt Karchner's of the world. Atleast the Cubs got one good year out of Alfonseca and a few out of Clement for Willis. I'm not banking on Pierre though.

11-23-2005, 11:51 PM	#76
QuestGAV Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 2,010	I looked up Pinto, he appeared to have gotten shelled each time he stepped up to AAA. Was he considered one of the Cubs top pitching prospects or is he basically a placeholder?