USC - Notre Dame - Page 4

mlyons · 10-15-2005, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by darkhorse

That one had escaped me. 'Course being slippery is his trade.

Oh, and he's a Red Raider.

Hmm. That's not as punny, then, is it?

rudel.dietrich · 10-15-2005, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Spielman

Wouldn't surprise me. He looked pretty out of it. Hell, he almost dropped the ball again on the TD.

Big brass ones on that kid, regardless. Hell of a play on 4th and 8.

If true that will impace USCs national title hopes AND a future NFL career.
Concussions are a bad thing to have being a QB best to have as few as possible and as late into your career as you can.

Spielman · 10-15-2005, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

If true that will impace USCs national title hopes AND a future NFL career.
Concussions are a bad thing to have being a QB best to have as few as possible and as late into your career as you can.

True, but it's really not that big a deal until you start talking about multiple concussions on top of one another.

One concussion does not a Chris Miller make.

sebastian0622 · 10-15-2005, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JDOldSchool

I think a touchdown machine in Texas might take issue with that.

Vic Fangio doesn't like Reggie Bush?

Faroo6 · 10-15-2005, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeremy Weimer

Well an OL did fall on his head, so I wouldn't be surprised.

Actually it was Lindell White after Leinhart threw a block in front of him.

Jeremy Weimer · 10-15-2005, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Faroo6

Actually it was Lindell White after Leinhart threw a block in front of him.

LinDale White*

Either way, someone fell directly on his head.

twins15 · 10-15-2005, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeremy Weimer

LinDale White*

Either way, someone fell directly on his head.

LenDale White.*

andymac · 10-16-2005, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by sebastian0622

I believe everyone here has the rule correct, and the refs flummoxed the call.

I'm not sure exactly what the college rule is, but it is possible since the ball was knocked backwards by the defense...that the rule is actually to spot the ball where the ball carrier fumbled it. I know that is the rule when an offensive player fumbles the ball forwards out of bounds.

sebastian0622 · 10-16-2005, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by andymac

I'm not sure exactly what the college rule is, but it is possible since the ball was knocked backwards by the defense...that the rule is actually to spot the ball where the ball carrier fumbled it. I know that is the rule when an offensive player fumbles the ball forwards out of bounds.

That is not the rule for fumbles caused by the defense. Otherwise, a defense could never cause a fumble out of its opponent's endzone for a safety.

andymac · 10-16-2005, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by sebastian0622

That is not the rule for fumbles caused by the defense. Otherwise, a defense could never cause a fumble out of its opponent's endzone for a safety.

Well, as I said, I don't know the college rules particularly well. However, I know that in high school football in Illinois, if a player fumbles a ball forwards and the ball goes out of bounds...the next play takes place from where the ball was fumbled. The reason for the rule is to keep a player from purposfully fumbling ahead for first downs.

sebastian0622 · 10-16-2005, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by andymac

Well, as I said, I don't know the college rules particularly well. However, I know that in high school football in Illinois, if a player fumbles a ball forwards and the ball goes out of bounds...the next play takes place from where the ball was fumbled. The reason for the rule is to keep a player from purposfully fumbling ahead for first downs.

That's for fumbles caused by the offense, and that one is pretty universal now. I think all levels of play now use it. But defenses can "advance" a fumble by, for instance, knocking it out of a player's hands behind him and to another defender.

Hoolegan · 10-16-2005, 11:41 AM

Too lazy to read the whole thread so forgive me if I am redundant.

Terrific game. ND had a great game plan but couldn't stop the Trojans when they needed. Somewhat reminds of the Giant's game plan vs. the Bills in Super Bowl XXV (except the G-Men had a much better defense to work with). Weis was on the Giant's staff at the time.

New York had the ball for 41 minutes to Buffalo's 19. I remember Thurman Thomas being almost unstoppable in that game but couldn't get the ball enough (135 yrds rushing on just 15 carries, 55 receiving, 1TD).

ND had the ball for over 38 minutes but USC gained an unbelievable 476 total yards in just over 21 minutes. Bush was phenomenal doing great damage with 3 TD's on just 15 carries.

No Norwood to save the Irish.

Skipaway · 10-16-2005, 01:07 PM

USC time of possession per game: 29:45
Notre Dame: 35:12

USC never seemed interested in controlling the clock in any games.

Jason · 10-16-2005, 01:31 PM

All I can say after watching the game is that I'm not sure USC is going to win the title again this year...they didn't seem to have that aura of invincibility even with the comeback win.

JDOldSchool · 10-16-2005, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dale And Eli's Dad

All I can say after watching the game is that I'm not sure USC is going to win the title again this year...they didn't seem to have that aura of invincibility even with the comeback win.

Didn't you just get the feeling they were going to do something to win though? I get a definite Patriots feel from USC. They were on the road in a very tough place to play against a Top 10 team and they got killed in the time of possession battle. They still won. I think that type of thing is even more impressive than winning 70-10 against some bottom-feeder Pac-10 team.

HanKDanK · 10-16-2005, 04:50 PM

What I still dont get, and I havnet heard this discussed anywhere is that Carroll is making it seem like Leinart called that from the line and went against spiking the ball to set up a field goal. What puzzles me is that if the ball went out of bounds isnt the clock already stopped and they can just bring out the field goal unit? The only thing I can think of is they didnt have the time on the play clock to do so but I would think that with all the confusion that would have been stopped as well while the refs got the call right. Anyone know what thats about?

Skipaway · 10-16-2005, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by HanKDanK

What I still dont get, and I havnet heard this discussed anywhere is that Carroll is making it seem like Leinart called that from the line and went against spiking the ball to set up a field goal. What puzzles me is that if the ball went out of bounds isnt the clock already stopped and they can just bring out the field goal unit? The only thing I can think of is they didnt have the time on the play clock to do so but I would think that with all the confusion that would have been stopped as well while the refs got the call right. Anyone know what thats about?

I don't know where you got that idea. Carroll said field goal was never in his plan, and he wanted to go for it all along. He wanted to win, not tie.

HanKDanK · 10-16-2005, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

I don't know where you got that idea. Carroll said field goal was never in his plan, and he wanted to go for it all along. He wanted to win, not tie.

right after the game he interviewed and said that he called for a spike, and you could see him signaling it while he was still on the field going back to the sideline, and then he said the players called the play from the line where you saw him and bush huddle up and decide to go for it. I havent heard any of his comments after the game, but i dont see why he would lie to the first reporter he saw.

twins15 · 10-16-2005, 10:09 PM

I think in the postgame conference he said he told Leinart it was his decision whether to sneak or spike, and then was giving the spike action when he knew Leinart wasn't looking to try and maybe confuse the defense. I think that's what he said.

JDOldSchool · 10-16-2005, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by twins15

I think in the postgame conference he said he told Leinart it was his decision whether to sneak or spike, and then was giving the spike action when he knew Leinart wasn't looking to try and maybe confuse the defense. I think that's what he said.

It sure as hell confused me, because like HankDank said, the clock was already stopped. I was thinking it might have been some kind of decoy just because a spike made no sense at that moment.

10-16-2005, 11:41 AM	#72
Hoolegan Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 235	Too lazy to read the whole thread so forgive me if I am redundant. Terrific game. ND had a great game plan but couldn't stop the Trojans when they needed. Somewhat reminds of the Giant's game plan vs. the Bills in Super Bowl XXV (except the G-Men had a much better defense to work with). Weis was on the Giant's staff at the time. New York had the ball for 41 minutes to Buffalo's 19. I remember Thurman Thomas being almost unstoppable in that game but couldn't get the ball enough (135 yrds rushing on just 15 carries, 55 receiving, 1TD). ND had the ball for over 38 minutes but USC gained an unbelievable 476 total yards in just over 21 minutes. Bush was phenomenal doing great damage with 3 TD's on just 15 carries. No Norwood to save the Irish. __________________ Hoolegan "I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to keep playing baseball." - Pete Rose

10-16-2005, 01:07 PM	#73
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	USC time of possession per game: 29:45 Notre Dame: 35:12 USC never seemed interested in controlling the clock in any games. __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

10-16-2005, 04:50 PM	#76
HanKDanK Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 40	What I still dont get, and I havnet heard this discussed anywhere is that Carroll is making it seem like Leinart called that from the line and went against spiking the ball to set up a field goal. What puzzles me is that if the ball went out of bounds isnt the clock already stopped and they can just bring out the field goal unit? The only thing I can think of is they didnt have the time on the play clock to do so but I would think that with all the confusion that would have been stopped as well while the refs got the call right. Anyone know what thats about? __________________ "If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me."

10-16-2005, 10:09 PM	#79
twins15 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Area 51 Posts: 4,792	I think in the postgame conference he said he told Leinart it was his decision whether to sneak or spike, and then was giving the spike action when he knew Leinart wasn't looking to try and maybe confuse the defense. I think that's what he said. __________________ "Ah man we're just hungry man" - Dovonte Edwards Bismarck Boy Scouts of the OTBL - league yes-man Ross Gload at baseball-reference.com Book Quotes and Book Lists

10-16-2005, 01:31 PM	#74
Jason Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,855	All I can say after watching the game is that I'm not sure USC is going to win the title again this year...they didn't seem to have that aura of invincibility even with the comeback win.