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rudel.dietrich · 06-03-2005, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by tward13

I doubt Matt will add a LH throwing SS or 2B.

I could see a LH catcher, not really a reason it couldn't be done, but there are too many plays a LH SS couldn't make.

It is up to him. But everyone assumes there are plays they could not make because one has never been allowed to try.

tward13 · 06-03-2005, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

It is up to him. But everyone assumes there are plays they could not make because one has never been allowed to try.

There are certain physical limitations in a lefty going to his right and then throwing back to first from in the hole. He'd be giving up a lot.

I'll agree that a lefthanded catcher is something that can and should be tried.

THE GUT · 06-03-2005, 08:49 PM

I was looking over the Excel list and saw a couple of my ancestors who should debut later since they went to college:

Bill "Whip" Turnbull - 1963
Joseph "Bazooka Joe" Burley -1962
Gordon "The Goat" Fellows -1969
John "Black Jack" Burley - 1978

And a couple guys look like they were skipped:
Richard Dastardly Dick" Sharkey - 1955
Robert "Bub" Turnbull -1955

Could they debut in the next two years? Sharkey in '57 and Turnbull in '58?

Mucho Macho · 06-04-2005, 01:05 AM

My Father

FIRST NAME - Braulio
LAST NAME - Camacho
BIRTHDATE - 10/8/1933
ORIGIN - Mexico
PREFERRED POSITION - SP
ALTERNATE POSITION - RP
SPECIALTY - Stuff
2ND SPECIALTY - Control
NICKNAME - El Jefe
HEIGHT - 6' 3"
WEIGHT - 209
NUMBER - 1
BATS (R/L/S) - L
THROWS (R/L) - L
Race - Latino

My Paternal Uncle

FIRST NAME - Nestor
LAST NAME - Camacho
BIRTHDATE - 3/6/1938
ORIGIN - Mexico
PREFERRED POSITION - 3b
ALTERNATE POSITION - SS
SPECIALTY - Contact
2ND SPECIALTY - Power
NICKNAME - Nasty
HEIGHT - 6' 1"
WEIGHT - 202
NUMBER - 2
BATS (R/L/S) - S
THROWS (R/L) - R
Race - Latino

Mucho Macho · 06-04-2005, 01:10 AM

Me

FIRST NAME - John
LAST NAME - Camacho
BIRTHDATE - 1/4/1965
ORIGIN - Austin, TX
PREFERRED POSITION - 2b
ALTERNATE POSITION - SS
SPECIALTY - Contact
2ND SPECIALTY - Power
NICKNAME - Mucho Macho
HEIGHT - 6' 1"
WEIGHT - 221
NUMBER - 11
BATS (R/L/S) - L
THROWS (R/L) - L
Race - Latino

My Brother

FIRST NAME - Sonny
LAST NAME - Camacho
BIRTHDATE - 8/18/1963
ORIGIN - Austin, TX
PREFERRED POSITION - SP
ALTERNATE POSITION - RP
SPECIALTY - Control
2ND SPECIALTY - Stuff
NICKNAME - Braulio, Jr.
HEIGHT - 6' 1"
WEIGHT - 179
NUMBER - 5
BATS (R/L/S) - R
THROWS (R/L) - R
Race - Latino

My Younger Brother

FIRST NAME - Paco
LAST NAME - Camacho
BIRTHDATE - 3/1/1968
ORIGIN - Austin, TX
PREFERRED POSITION - SP
ALTERNATE POSITION - RP
SPECIALTY - Stuff
2ND SPECIALTY - Movement
NICKNAME - Zorro
HEIGHT - 6' 3"
WEIGHT - 191
NUMBER - 5
BATS (R/L/S) - L
THROWS (R/L) - L
Race - Latino

rudel.dietrich · 06-04-2005, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mucho Macho

My Father

FIRST NAME - Braulio
LAST NAME - Camacho
BIRTHDATE - 10/8/1933
ORIGIN - Mexico
PREFERRED POSITION - SP
ALTERNATE POSITION - RP
SPECIALTY - Stuff
2ND SPECIALTY - Control
NICKNAME - El Jefe
HEIGHT - 6' 3"
WEIGHT - 209
NUMBER - 1
BATS (R/L/S) - L
THROWS (R/L) - L
Race - Latino

Is this the first player you have added? Congrats if it is

This player should be in the next draft and be a 24 year old. Maybe Matt will make him a fully developed player out of the gate. We can say he played in the Mexican leagues for a few years before being scouted by big leage clubs.
Have fun

Mucho Macho · 06-04-2005, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

Is this the first player you have added? Congrats if it is

This player should be in the next draft and be a 24 year old. Maybe Matt will make him a fully developed player out of the gate. We can say he played in the Mexican leagues for a few years before being scouted by big leage clubs.
Have fun

Yes he is. I just discovered OOTP a couple days ago and it's much better than Baseball Mogul so far. I think I'll keep his birthdate for realism. The Mexican League idea sounds good. He moved to Texas when he was 9, but that doesn't really matter much. Will my uncle be in next year's draft, too? He would be 19.

I'm thinking about adding my mother's side of the family as well. Irish-Catholics from Massachusetts. Would that be okay? i don't want to add too many if i shouldn't

tward13 · 06-04-2005, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mucho Macho

Yes he is. I just discovered OOTP a couple days ago and it's much better than Baseball Mogul so far. I think I'll keep his birthdate for realism. The Mexican League idea sounds good. He moved to Texas when he was 9, but that doesn't really matter much. Will my uncle be in next year's draft, too? He would be 19.

I'm thinking about adding my mother's side of the family as well. Irish-Catholics from Massachusetts. Would that be okay? i don't want to add too many if i shouldn't

Maybe the younger brother talked his older brother into trying the majors together.

No problem adding family members on your mother's side. There are people with a handful of ancestors and those with many. Keep in mind though that the way Matt does it you have a better chance (bu no guarantees) of having your ancestor be a star player if there are fewer of them. I think they end up higher in the draft. Of course you could have one ancestor and he could get a career ending injury. Just the way it goes.

Matt from TN · 06-04-2005, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by THE GUT

And a couple guys look like they were skipped:
Richard Dastardly Dick" Sharkey - 1955
Robert "Bub" Turnbull -1955

Could they debut in the next two years? Sharkey in '57 and Turnbull in '58?

I don't have the SS handy, but I doubt they were skipped. If their birthdays are Oct 1 or later, they go in the next yr.

If they were skipped, I'll look into it & add them in 57.

Matt from TN · 06-04-2005, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mucho Macho

Yes he is. I just discovered OOTP a couple days ago and it's much better than Baseball Mogul so far. I think I'll keep his birthdate for realism. The Mexican League idea sounds good. He moved to Texas when he was 9, but that doesn't really matter much. Will my uncle be in next year's draft, too? He would be 19.

I'm thinking about adding my mother's side of the family as well. Irish-Catholics from Massachusetts. Would that be okay? i don't want to add too many if i shouldn't

Looks like your dad will be 25 in Oct of next season, so he'll be major le ague ready. Again, we could say he played, what, 5 years in Mexico. Yes his brother will come in too if he'll be 19.

As for your mother's side, the basic limitation is 3 anceastors per last name per generation. So 3 Camacho's in your dad's generation, 3 in yours, etc. Since you mom's family has a different name, you can add 3 more of them per generation.

I really only enforce that rule if someone goes out of control. I'm pretty lenient.

Matt from TN · 06-04-2005, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by tward13

I doubt Matt will add a LH throwing SS or 2B.

I could see a LH catcher, not really a reason it couldn't be done, but there are too many plays a LH SS couldn't make.

If you insisted, I'd give it a try, but I switched one LH MIF to RH already. I assumed it was an oversight. Like Tom said, there are certain plays that would be tougher for them. Anything hit to the 3b side, they'd have to plant, turn & throw to 1st.

OOTP might affect their defense because of handedness, but I'm not sure.

canadiancreed · 06-04-2005, 02:56 PM

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I really only enforce that rule if someone goes out of control. I'm pretty lenient.

With me and mets around he has to be

btw I just noticed that I'm ahead of Matt in posts. wow I need some hobbies

Matt from TN · 06-04-2005, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by canadiancreed

btw I just noticed that I'm ahead of Matt in posts. wow I need some hobbies

You're even ahead of me on the TWB forums.

canadiancreed · 06-04-2005, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt from TN

You're even ahead of me on the TWB forums.

guess that's what happens when i'm inspired

or have no life

one of the two

metsgeek · 06-04-2005, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt from TN

I don't have the SS handy, but I doubt they were skipped. If their birthdays are Oct 1 or later, they go in the next yr.

If they were skipped, I'll look into it & add them in 57.

I think he's right, unless the spreadsheet link in your sig is out of date and things have changed.

Dick Sharkey's birthdate is 2/6/1937
Bub Turnbull's is 8/2/1937

Both should have debuted in 1955. No matter really, though. They can just be more developed. Even with mucho macho's guys, there were still only 5 ancestors anyway.

metsgeek · 06-04-2005, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by canadiancreed

btw I just noticed that I'm ahead of Matt in posts. wow I need some hobbies

You still have about 650 posts before you catch up to me. Of course I had nearly a 2 year head start on you.

Mucho Macho · 06-04-2005, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt from TN

Looks like your dad will be 25 in Oct of next season, so he'll be major le ague ready. Again, we could say he played, what, 5 years in Mexico. Yes his brother will come in too if he'll be 19.

As for your mother's side, the basic limitation is 3 anceastors per last name per generation. So 3 Camacho's in your dad's generation, 3 in yours, etc. Since you mom's family has a different name, you can add 3 more of them per generation.

I really only enforce that rule if someone goes out of control. I'm pretty lenient.

sounds good to me. I'll add a 3 or 4 more from my mom's side and then i'm pretty much done. i could add my son, but he's only 12 now.

Mucho Macho · 06-04-2005, 04:48 PM

My Maternal Uncle

FIRST NAME - Al
LAST NAME - Mahoney
BIRTHDATE - 5/7/1941
ORIGIN - Boston, MA
PREFERRED POSITION - RF
ALTERNATE POSITION - LF
SPECIALTY - Power
2ND SPECIALTY - Contact
NICKNAME - Bash
HEIGHT - 6' 5"
WEIGHT - 237
NUMBER - 7
BATS (R/L/S) - S
THROWS (R/L) - R
Race - White
Debut - 1959

My Other Maternal Uncle

FIRST NAME - Mickey
LAST NAME - Mahoney
BIRTHDATE - 5/6/1944
ORIGIN - Boston, MA
PREFERRED POSITION - SP
ALTERNATE POSITION - CL
SPECIALTY - Movement
2ND SPECIALTY - Control
NICKNAME - Lucky
HEIGHT - 6' 2"
WEIGHT - 203
NUMBER - 11
BATS (R/L/S) - L
THROWS (R/L) - L
Race - White
Debut -1964

My Cousin

FIRST NAME - Tyler
LAST NAME - Boyle
BIRTHDATE - 9/16/1966
ORIGIN - Boston, MA
PREFERRED POSITION - 3b
ALTERNATE POSITION - LF
SPECIALTY - Contact
2ND SPECIALTY - Durability
NICKNAME - Boner
HEIGHT - 6'
WEIGHT - 184
NUMBER - 22
BATS (R/L/S) - R
THROWS (R/L) - R
Race - White
Debut -1984

My Other Cousin

FIRST NAME - Hal
LAST NAME - Mahoney
BIRTHDATE - 11/1/1963
ORIGIN - Newton, MA
PREFERRED POSITION - 1b
ALTERNATE POSITION - CF
SPECIALTY - Power
2ND SPECIALTY - Eye
NICKNAME - Big Red
HEIGHT - 6' 6"
WEIGHT - 246
NUMBER - 33
BATS (R/L/S) - S
THROWS (R/L) - R
Race - White
Debut -1982

rudel.dietrich · 06-04-2005, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt from TN

Looks like your dad will be 25 in Oct of next season, so he'll be major le ague ready. Again, we could say he played, what, 5 years in Mexico. Yes his brother will come in too if he'll be 19.

I am already thinking up some cool stories. A legend of the Mexican leagues and after a few years he got bored of being the very best and decided to go north and see what he could do.
Very cool stuff

pat · 06-04-2005, 08:33 PM

FIRST NAME - Mon
LAST NAME - Villa
BIRTHDATE - 4/13/33
ORIGIN - Pittsburgh, PA
PREFERRED POSITION - 2B
ALTERNATE POSITION - SS
SPECIALTY - Power
2ND SPECIALTY - Contact
NICKNAME - Fatty
HEIGHT - 6' 2"
WEIGHT - 247
NUMBER - 47
BATS (R/L/S) - R
THROWS (R/L) - R
Race - American
Debut - Earliest available

FIRST NAME - Ken
LAST NAME - Villa
BIRTHDATE - 6/3/53
ORIGIN - Pittsburgh, PA
PREFERRED POSITION - CF
ALTERNATE POSITION - RF
SPECIALTY - Contact
2ND SPECIALTY - Speed
NICKNAME - Cheetah
HEIGHT - 6' 1"
WEIGHT - 187
NUMBER - 3
BATS (R/L/S) - S
THROWS (R/L) - R
Race - American
Debut - 1973

06-03-2005, 08:49 PM	#643
THE GUT Minors (Double A) Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 120	I was looking over the Excel list and saw a couple of my ancestors who should debut later since they went to college: Bill "Whip" Turnbull - 1963 Joseph "Bazooka Joe" Burley -1962 Gordon "The Goat" Fellows -1969 John "Black Jack" Burley - 1978 And a couple guys look like they were skipped: Richard Dastardly Dick" Sharkey - 1955 Robert "Bub" Turnbull -1955 Could they debut in the next two years? Sharkey in '57 and Turnbull in '58? Last edited by THE GUT; 06-04-2005 at 01:20 AM.

06-04-2005, 01:05 AM	#644
Mucho Macho Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 73	My Father FIRST NAME - Braulio LAST NAME - Camacho BIRTHDATE - 10/8/1933 ORIGIN - Mexico PREFERRED POSITION - SP ALTERNATE POSITION - RP SPECIALTY - Stuff 2ND SPECIALTY - Control NICKNAME - El Jefe HEIGHT - 6' 3" WEIGHT - 209 NUMBER - 1 BATS (R/L/S) - L THROWS (R/L) - L Race - Latino My Paternal Uncle FIRST NAME - Nestor LAST NAME - Camacho BIRTHDATE - 3/6/1938 ORIGIN - Mexico PREFERRED POSITION - 3b ALTERNATE POSITION - SS SPECIALTY - Contact 2ND SPECIALTY - Power NICKNAME - Nasty HEIGHT - 6' 1" WEIGHT - 202 NUMBER - 2 BATS (R/L/S) - S THROWS (R/L) - R Race - Latino Last edited by Mucho Macho; 06-04-2005 at 01:10 AM.

06-04-2005, 01:10 AM	#645
Mucho Macho Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 73	Me FIRST NAME - John LAST NAME - Camacho BIRTHDATE - 1/4/1965 ORIGIN - Austin, TX PREFERRED POSITION - 2b ALTERNATE POSITION - SS SPECIALTY - Contact 2ND SPECIALTY - Power NICKNAME - Mucho Macho HEIGHT - 6' 1" WEIGHT - 221 NUMBER - 11 BATS (R/L/S) - L THROWS (R/L) - L Race - Latino My Brother FIRST NAME - Sonny LAST NAME - Camacho BIRTHDATE - 8/18/1963 ORIGIN - Austin, TX PREFERRED POSITION - SP ALTERNATE POSITION - RP SPECIALTY - Control 2ND SPECIALTY - Stuff NICKNAME - Braulio, Jr. HEIGHT - 6' 1" WEIGHT - 179 NUMBER - 5 BATS (R/L/S) - R THROWS (R/L) - R Race - Latino My Younger Brother FIRST NAME - Paco LAST NAME - Camacho BIRTHDATE - 3/1/1968 ORIGIN - Austin, TX PREFERRED POSITION - SP ALTERNATE POSITION - RP SPECIALTY - Stuff 2ND SPECIALTY - Movement NICKNAME - Zorro HEIGHT - 6' 3" WEIGHT - 191 NUMBER - 5 BATS (R/L/S) - L THROWS (R/L) - L Race - Latino Last edited by Mucho Macho; 06-04-2005 at 01:26 AM.

06-04-2005, 04:48 PM	#658
Mucho Macho Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 73	My Maternal Uncle FIRST NAME - Al LAST NAME - Mahoney BIRTHDATE - 5/7/1941 ORIGIN - Boston, MA PREFERRED POSITION - RF ALTERNATE POSITION - LF SPECIALTY - Power 2ND SPECIALTY - Contact NICKNAME - Bash HEIGHT - 6' 5" WEIGHT - 237 NUMBER - 7 BATS (R/L/S) - S THROWS (R/L) - R Race - White Debut - 1959 My Other Maternal Uncle FIRST NAME - Mickey LAST NAME - Mahoney BIRTHDATE - 5/6/1944 ORIGIN - Boston, MA PREFERRED POSITION - SP ALTERNATE POSITION - CL SPECIALTY - Movement 2ND SPECIALTY - Control NICKNAME - Lucky HEIGHT - 6' 2" WEIGHT - 203 NUMBER - 11 BATS (R/L/S) - L THROWS (R/L) - L Race - White Debut -1964 My Cousin FIRST NAME - Tyler LAST NAME - Boyle BIRTHDATE - 9/16/1966 ORIGIN - Boston, MA PREFERRED POSITION - 3b ALTERNATE POSITION - LF SPECIALTY - Contact 2ND SPECIALTY - Durability NICKNAME - Boner HEIGHT - 6' WEIGHT - 184 NUMBER - 22 BATS (R/L/S) - R THROWS (R/L) - R Race - White Debut -1984 My Other Cousin FIRST NAME - Hal LAST NAME - Mahoney BIRTHDATE - 11/1/1963 ORIGIN - Newton, MA PREFERRED POSITION - 1b ALTERNATE POSITION - CF SPECIALTY - Power 2ND SPECIALTY - Eye NICKNAME - Big Red HEIGHT - 6' 6" WEIGHT - 246 NUMBER - 33 BATS (R/L/S) - S THROWS (R/L) - R Race - White Debut -1982 __________________ "Things could be worse. Suppose your errors were counted everyday and published...like those of a baseball player." - Unknown

06-04-2005, 08:33 PM	#660
pat Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Quezon City, Philippines Posts: 2,748	FIRST NAME - Mon LAST NAME - Villa BIRTHDATE - 4/13/33 ORIGIN - Pittsburgh, PA PREFERRED POSITION - 2B ALTERNATE POSITION - SS SPECIALTY - Power 2ND SPECIALTY - Contact NICKNAME - Fatty HEIGHT - 6' 2" WEIGHT - 247 NUMBER - 47 BATS (R/L/S) - R THROWS (R/L) - R Race - American Debut - Earliest available FIRST NAME - Ken LAST NAME - Villa BIRTHDATE - 6/3/53 ORIGIN - Pittsburgh, PA PREFERRED POSITION - CF ALTERNATE POSITION - RF SPECIALTY - Contact 2ND SPECIALTY - Speed NICKNAME - Cheetah HEIGHT - 6' 1" WEIGHT - 187 NUMBER - 3 BATS (R/L/S) - S THROWS (R/L) - R Race - American Debut - 1973 __________________ Co-Founder & Technical Director at ExaWeb Corporation, an SEO company in the Philippines. Previous Leagues - Time Warp Baseball / International Federation of Baseball / Professional Baseball Replay League / No Pepper Baseball League / MLB Pro Current OOTP 24 Leagues - Sim Sports Gaming - (2016-Present) Washington Nationals (2016-2022) *2017 Champions Oakland Athletics (2023-Present)