Chicago White Sox offseason thread - Page 3

bbergin76 · 12-09-2004, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by JDOldSchool

Jermaine Dye has had 3 decent seasons in 9 years in the league. Another pathetic attempt at generally managing a team by Kenny Williams. Dye has played fewer than 140 games in each of the last three seasons.

What a joke. I have never seen someone as inept at Kenny Williams.

Aw, c'mon. With the signings of Walker, Hermanson and now Dye our ticket is stamped for the World Series.

In all seriousness, Williams has said he doesn't mind going after second tier players while the big boys fight over top tier players. I haven't seen any yet. What are we on third or fourth tier? Lower?

JDOldSchool · 12-09-2004, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by bbergin76

Aw, c'mon. With the signings of Walker, Hermanson and now Dye our ticket is stamped for the World Series.

In all seriousness, Williams has said he doesn't mind going after second tier players while the big boys fight over top tier players. I haven't seen any yet. What are we on third or fourth tier? Lower?

Next Rey Sanchez is going to get a three year deal. And, if nobody signs him, I'm sure Williams will make a huge impact by signing a "proven closer" in Robb Nen.

If I didn't grow up with this team, I'd find Williams' destruction of it absolutely hilarious.

abailey3313 · 12-09-2004, 11:16 AM

The Dye signing is good if -- if -- he can remain healthy. Then again, that's a big question mark with this guy.

eriqjaffe · 12-09-2004, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by abailey3313

The Dye signing is good if -- if -- he can remain healthy. Then again, that's a big question mark with this guy.

Exactly. Dye has, at times, put up numbers comparable to Magglio - look at 2000 - but health is a question mark. I'm not unhappy with this signing, however.

I'd still rather have (a healthy) Ordoñez or Beltran, but who wouldn't? Jermaine Dye is certainly a far better option than Joe "I Can't Even Hit Mexican Winter League Pitching" Borchard.

Luis_Rivera · 12-09-2004, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by abailey3313

The Dye signing is good if -- if -- he can remain healthy. Then again, that's a big question mark with this guy.

Hence why giving this guy 4.5M for more than 1 year is a waste of resources.

eriqjaffe · 12-09-2004, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by eriqjaffe

EPSN Radio here in Chicago is reporting that the Sox have signed Jermaine Dye to a 2-year, $9 million deal. I'll post a confirming link when I can find one.

And here's the confirmation link. $4 million this year, $5 next year and a $6 million option for 2007 (with a $1.15 million buyout).

benchwarmer · 12-09-2004, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Luis_Rivera

Hence why giving this guy 4.5M for more than 1 year is a waste of resources.

I agree, i did think it would be a 1 year deal he got, simular to Nomar and Morris.

JDOldSchool · 12-09-2004, 06:51 PM

To demonstrate the logic of Williams, when your team ideally needs a left-handed, on-base guy... go out and sign an injury prone, right-handed, average OBP guy!

bbergin76 · 12-10-2004, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by JDOldSchool

To demonstrate the logic of Williams, when your team ideally needs a left-handed, on-base guy... go out and sign an injury prone, right-handed, average OBP guy!

Yeah whatever happened to making this team more speed oriented?

Then again Dye must be one of those "grinders" Williams is always talking about the White Sox needing more of.

eriqjaffe · 12-10-2004, 11:01 AM

Here is a paraphrasing of what Kenny Williams said recently:

"Everybody's busy focusing on Player X. So we'll sneak in and sign Player Y before anybody else!"

Basically, KW's Plan A is to target everybody else's Plan B.

Grinders?

JDOldSchool · 12-10-2004, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by bbergin76

Yeah whatever happened to making this team more speed oriented?

That was a mistake anyway.

JDOldSchool · 12-13-2004, 05:35 PM

delayed dola,

Just heard on ESPN Radio 1000 that Carlos Lee was traded for Scott Podsednik.

As soon as I'm done counting all the ways this is stupid, I'll get angry.

eriqjaffe · 12-13-2004, 05:49 PM

Well, it's not a straight up Lee-for-Pods trade, Bruce Levine is reporting two more "major" names.

Of course, that probably will mean Lee-Konerko-Buehrle for Podsednik.

Rumors are swirling about Lyle Overbay, Keith Ginter and Ben Sheets...

JDOldSchool · 12-13-2004, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by eriqjaffe

Well, it's not a straight up Lee-for-Pods trade, Bruce Levine is reporting two more "major" names.

Of course, that probably will mean Lee-Konerko-Buehrle for Podsednik.

Rumors are swirling about Lyle Overbay, Keith Ginter and Ben Sheets...

I don't see how Overbay or Sheets would be involved simply because then the trade would be "Lee for Overbay" or "Lee for Sheets" with Podsednik included. I think Branyan might be one of the guys coming over.

Unless Jenkins, Overbay, or Sheets are included, this might be Williams' worst move yet (I think he likes to top himself with these senseless trades).

Edit: Luis Vizcaino. This is hilarious.

eriqjaffe · 12-13-2004, 05:57 PM

The other guy is, apparently, Luis Vizcaino, a very solid relief pitcher.

Podsednik stole 70 bases last year. The Sox stole 73. If Pods can rebound to his 2003 form, he'll be a stud.

rem · 12-13-2004, 07:27 PM

You can't make this stuff up.

FastLane · 12-13-2004, 07:31 PM

Brewers/White Sox Deal

Fool Inc. · 12-13-2004, 07:34 PM

Now the question is who will be at the bottom of the Central, Kansas City or Chicago?

JDOldSchool · 12-13-2004, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Fool Inc.

Now the question is who will be at the bottom of the Central, Kansas City or Chicago?

I'd say KC, but like everyone keeps telling me: Kenny Williams isn't done yet!

BleacherBum · 12-13-2004, 10:49 PM

This deal is about one thing:

Lee will make $8 million next year, and his contract contains an $8.5 million club option for 2006

Podsednik is guaranteed $550,000 next season and $1.9 million in 2006. Vizcaino is eligible for salary arbitration and figures to make about $2 million next year.

12-09-2004, 11:16 AM	#43
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eriqjaffe Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Under The Christmas Fish Posts: 7,685	Here is a paraphrasing of what Kenny Williams said recently: "Everybody's busy focusing on Player X. So we'll sneak in and sign Player Y before anybody else!" Basically, KW's Plan A is to target everybody else's Plan B. Grinders? __________________

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12-13-2004, 07:31 PM	#57
FastLane Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 481	Heres the link... Brewers/White Sox Deal __________________ You know it's summertime at Candlestick when the fog rolls in, the wind kicks up, and you see the center fielder slicing open a caribou to survive the ninth inning. ~Bob Sarlette Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax. ~Mike Royko

12-13-2004, 10:49 PM	#60
BleacherBum All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 672	This deal is about one thing: Lee will make $8 million next year, and his contract contains an $8.5 million club option for 2006 Podsednik is guaranteed $550,000 next season and $1.9 million in 2006. Vizcaino is eligible for salary arbitration and figures to make about $2 million next year. __________________ Right Field Sucks! Last edited by BleacherBum; 12-13-2004 at 10:53 PM.

12-09-2004, 06:51 PM	#48
JDOldSchool Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,023	To demonstrate the logic of Williams, when your team ideally needs a left-handed, on-base guy... go out and sign an injury prone, right-handed, average OBP guy!

12-13-2004, 05:35 PM	#52
JDOldSchool Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,023	delayed dola, Just heard on ESPN Radio 1000 that Carlos Lee was traded for Scott Podsednik. As soon as I'm done counting all the ways this is stupid, I'll get angry.

12-13-2004, 05:49 PM	#53
eriqjaffe Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Under The Christmas Fish Posts: 7,685	Well, it's not a straight up Lee-for-Pods trade, Bruce Levine is reporting two more "major" names. Of course, that probably will mean Lee-Konerko-Buehrle for Podsednik. Rumors are swirling about Lyle Overbay, Keith Ginter and Ben Sheets...

12-13-2004, 05:57 PM	#55
eriqjaffe Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Under The Christmas Fish Posts: 7,685	The other guy is, apparently, Luis Vizcaino, a very solid relief pitcher. Podsednik stole 70 bases last year. The Sox stole 73. If Pods can rebound to his 2003 form, he'll be a stud.

12-13-2004, 07:34 PM	#58
Fool Inc. Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Dearborn Heights, MI Posts: 342	Now the question is who will be at the bottom of the Central, Kansas City or Chicago?