Marlins and Dodgers Trade. Is Arizona next to deal? - Page 3

keenejee · 07-31-2004, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cinredsfan2000

Damn id send griffey to anybody for a bag of balls or a case of sunflower seads

...and that's why you're a fan and not running the team.

LivnLegend · 07-31-2004, 03:19 PM

Just for fun I tried this trade using Cardinal Fan's most up to date roster set. I am two months into the season. FLA is 5 games over .500 and LA is 3 games over under my expert management

with cpu trades turned off.

Florida will trade me Penny and Choi for just Lo Duca or just Mota!

gubaru · 07-31-2004, 04:06 PM

Interesting. The only problem I see is that it doesn't factor in how much you'd have to pay them to take Encarnacion.

jaxmagicman · 07-31-2004, 08:40 PM

Paul homers the first pitch he sees as a Marlin. Pitch hits in the bottom of the 6th with the Marlins down by 1 and homers to put them ahead.

Tib · 08-01-2004, 09:29 AM

One other thing that may have factored into it: at the end, it seems (according to Gammons) that LA was the only team in the running for Johnson. If that's the case, and SF and SD were no longer part of the picture, then LA refusing to do the deal is the same as SF and SD not getting him, which means no RJ in the West and LA gets to keep Werth and Penny.

One more thing, for what it's worth. Finley is in phenomenal shape for a guy his age. Plus, he's been a positive clubhouse presence his whole career, a real gamer. He may not replace what LoDuca meant, but he brings the right attitude.

gubaru · 08-01-2004, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Tib

One more thing, for what it's worth. Finley is in phenomenal shape for a guy his age. Plus, he's been a positive clubhouse presence his whole career, a real gamer. He may not replace what LoDuca meant, but he brings the right attitude.

I'm not trying to trash Lo Duca, whom I really like, but when exactly did he become this great leader of men? Sorry but all the paeans to Paul's leadership from writers has driven me a little crazy. Aren't these the same Dodgers they said so needed Jose Lima's clubhouse presence because it was an uptight, cliquish team? Isn't this the team John Shelby said didn't have a real leader less than a week ago? Now that Paul's leaving, he's all of a sudden as inspirational a leader as Joan of Arc?

dougaiton · 08-01-2004, 10:23 AM

Good job Marlins trading a 28 year-old pitcher and a 25 year old first baseman for an OF they didn't want and best of all, a 33 year old Catcher!!!!

I like loDuca as much as the next guy, but a singles-hitting catcher is bound to drop off considerably once his knees give way. It won't just be a question of him not hitting doubles anymore, but he'll be lucky to even walk to first-base by the time he's 35.

Skipaway · 08-01-2004, 10:56 AM

So this looked like a typical statheadzzz trade?

Paul Lo Duca: highly-regarded intangibles, main strength in singles, old, going to be expensive soon.
Guillermo Mota: can't get rated higher unless he becomes a closer, reliever

, kinda old, going to be expensive soon.
Juan Encarnacion: eh?

Brad Penny: young starter, still relatively underpaid.
Hee Seop Choi: young and cheap homer and walk guy.
Bill Murphy: traded to Arizona in the next trade.

07-31-2004, 03:19 PM	#42
LivnLegend Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: 100% pure adrenaline! Posts: 5,624	Just for fun I tried this trade using Cardinal Fan's most up to date roster set. I am two months into the season. FLA is 5 games over .500 and LA is 3 games over under my expert management with cpu trades turned off. Florida will trade me Penny and Choi for just Lo Duca or just Mota! __________________ Excess ain't rebellion. You're drinking what they're selling.

07-31-2004, 08:40 PM	#44
jaxmagicman Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Retired defloration-maker living in Myrtle Beach, SC Posts: 7,801	Paul homers the first pitch he sees as a Marlin. Pitch hits in the bottom of the 6th with the Marlins down by 1 and homers to put them ahead. __________________ See ID Major League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with permission of MLB Advanced Media, L.P. Minor League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with the permission of Minor League Baseball. All rights reserved.

08-01-2004, 09:29 AM	#45
Tib All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Paso Robles, CA Posts: 995	One other thing that may have factored into it: at the end, it seems (according to Gammons) that LA was the only team in the running for Johnson. If that's the case, and SF and SD were no longer part of the picture, then LA refusing to do the deal is the same as SF and SD not getting him, which means no RJ in the West and LA gets to keep Werth and Penny. One more thing, for what it's worth. Finley is in phenomenal shape for a guy his age. Plus, he's been a positive clubhouse presence his whole career, a real gamer. He may not replace what LoDuca meant, but he brings the right attitude. Last edited by Tib; 08-01-2004 at 10:10 AM.

08-01-2004, 10:23 AM	#47
dougaiton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Location: Posts: 3,414	Good job Marlins trading a 28 year-old pitcher and a 25 year old first baseman for an OF they didn't want and best of all, a 33 year old Catcher!!!! I like loDuca as much as the next guy, but a singles-hitting catcher is bound to drop off considerably once his knees give way. It won't just be a question of him not hitting doubles anymore, but he'll be lucky to even walk to first-base by the time he's 35. __________________ tThis shower of clowns My park-adjusted, historically split Born in '69 league file! (also at Joe's wonderful site +BBSC)

08-01-2004, 10:56 AM	#48
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	So this looked like a typical statheadzzz trade? Paul Lo Duca: highly-regarded intangibles, main strength in singles, old, going to be expensive soon. Guillermo Mota: can't get rated higher unless he becomes a closer, reliever , kinda old, going to be expensive soon. Juan Encarnacion: eh? Brad Penny: young starter, still relatively underpaid. Hee Seop Choi: young and cheap homer and walk guy. Bill Murphy: traded to Arizona in the next trade. __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

07-31-2004, 04:06 PM	#43
gubaru Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Camp Hill, PA Posts: 326	Interesting. The only problem I see is that it doesn't factor in how much you'd have to pay them to take Encarnacion.