Very Large Facepack For Fictional Leagues

[darkhorse]

Fair enough.

[MrIllini]

my dad can beat up your dad

[RayofHope]

My mom can beat up your dad.

[Fritz]

newport news is a ****hole

[darkhorse]

Originally Posted by Fritz

newport news is a ****hole

You forgot the ghetto bit.

[MrIllini]

Originally Posted by RayofHope

My mom can beat up your dad.

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[LivnLegend]

Originally Posted by MrIllini

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Well, there ya go. That pretty much sums up everything here very well.

[RayofHope]

^ ^

[Teddyballgame]

This is classic. Legend and Killebrew put tons of hard work in their facepacks. They have great, distinctive products. Another guy comes along, takes their work, puts his name on it and defends it by saying it contains the words "compilation" and 4 or 5 guys helped. See the word compilation doesn't imply anything. Theres nothing to indicate this isn't a compilation of SkyDog's own work. Than several others say LL didn't give credit to the photographers for their work! Firstly, LL did explicity acknowledge that he did not take the photos. And, if you're going to compare that to what SkyDog did, than you know you're reaching. As far as I can see, SkyDog is clearly in the wrong here.

[David Yellope]

So what you're saying is you don't see the parallel that others see, that if somebody says "Thanks to all the people I got these photos from", without crediting them by name.. (even a list of sites would suffice, I wouldn't ask that he track down the photographer's NAME for proper credit)..

...but then gets pissy because somebody combined his facepack with others, renamed files so they all work together for his own personal use, was suggested by DD that he post it for all and sundry (since it is a useful tool) and says "Thank you to the people who's facepacks were used", that there's a double standard there?

With or without saying what either of them did was WRONG, denying that the actions taken are roughly the same is a reach at best.

[The_Prodigy]

After reading the whole thread, i question you skydog, how did you think this was not a bad thing? You were basically stealing other peoples work, without giving credit. If he copyrighted it, it would be plagerism. You stole his work, you did wrong.

[Teddyballgame]

Originally Posted by David Yellope

So what you're saying is you don't see the parallel that others see, that if somebody says "Thanks to all the people I got these photos from", without crediting them by name.. (even a list of sites would suffice, I wouldn't ask that he track down the photographer's NAME for proper credit)..

...but then gets pissy because somebody combined his facepack with others, renamed files so they all work together for his own personal use, was suggested by DD that he post it for all and sundry (since it is a useful tool) and says "Thank you to the people who's facepacks were used", that there's a double standard there?

With or without saying what either of them did was WRONG, denying that the actions taken are roughly the same is a reach at best.

LL went out and got photos from websites. Said photos were used to identify real players from real teams. LL takes said photos, puts countless hours into removing logos and re-sizing them, so he can use them for a completely different purpose. He then distributed his work to a grateful community who would use them for the same purpose as he. He then writes with his facepack "I didn't take these photos, I just edited them". Pretty explicit.

SkyDog went out and got other peoples work. He then re-named them and used them for exactly the same purpose. He then re-distributed them to the same community and glossed over the other people with a simple "thanks".

Trying to say that those actions are comparable is beyond a reach. It's absurd.

[David Yellope]

Originally Posted by The_Prodigy

After reading the whole thread, i question you skydog, how did you think this was not a bad thing? You were basically stealing other peoples work, without giving credit. If he copyrighted it, it would be plagerism. You stole his work, you did wrong.

How about this:

After reading the whole thread, i question you LivinLegend, how did you think this was not a bad thing? You were basically stealing other peoples work, without giving credit. If the photographer copyrighted it, it would be plagerism. You stole his work, you did wrong.

Because you know the person who worked on it (LivinLegend), his work is more important then the multiple (don't know how many) photographers and sites that LL used to make up his face pack in the first place?

Golden Rule.

I can understand that LL feels cheated that somebody used his work without permission, but without extending the courtesy he expects from SD to the photographers whose work he used (even a thank you to the sites, as I said), he's being hypocritical.

[Henry]

For what it's worth, this could be corrected easily. No blame needs to be placed, no justification needs to be documented. Simply provide the names of everyone known to have provided the resource, and all is well. A simple solution.

2 cents.

[David Yellope]

Originally Posted by Teddyballgame

LL went out and got photos from websites. Said photos were used to identify real players from real teams. LL takes said photos, puts countless hours into removing logos and re-sizing them, so he can use them for a completely different purpose. He then distributed his work to a grateful community who would use them for the same purpose as he. He then writes with his facepack "I didn't take these photos, I just edited them". Pretty explicit.

SkyDog went out and got other peoples work. He then re-named them and used them for exactly the same purpose. He then re-distributed them to the same community and glossed over the other people with a simple "thanks".

Trying to say that those actions are comparable is beyond a reach. It's absurd.

Your logic would fail kindergarten. It's EXACTLY the same thing. He did this for personal use, and was ASKED to post it by Draft Dodger as a benefit to the community, and LL then has a hissy fit (AFTER SD apologized)

[The_Prodigy]

Originally Posted by David Yellope

How about this:

After reading the whole thread, i question you LivinLegend, how did you think this was not a bad thing? You were basically stealing other peoples work, without giving credit. If the photographer copyrighted it, it would be plagerism. You stole his work, you did wrong.

Because you know the person who worked on it (LivinLegend), his work is more important then the multiple (don't know how many) photographers and sites that LL used to make up his face pack in the first place?

Golden Rule.

I can understand that LL feels cheated that somebody used his work without permission, but without extending the courtesy he expects from SD to the photographers whose work he used (even a thank you to the sites, as I said), he's being hypocritical.

What LL did was COMPLETELY different. He altered the pictures. Skydog just stole LLs work

[RayofHope]

Originally Posted by Henry

For what it's worth, this could be corrected easily. No blame needs to be placed, no justification needs to be documented. Simply provide the names of everyone known to have provided the resource, and all is well. A simple solution.

2 cents.

What he said.

Unfortunately, I think we have a couple of donkey's here.

(No offense intended, just stating that SkyDog seems to be taking the path of the stubborn righteous man who was accosted by the irrate LL).

[Teddyballgame]

Originally Posted by David Yellope

Your logic would fail kindergarten. It's EXACTLY the same thing. He did this for personal use, and was ASKED to post it by Draft Dodger as a benefit to the community, and LL then has a hissy fit (AFTER SD apologized)

How about actually pointing to a flaw in my logic rather than blanketing it?

Did LL use other peoples work? Of course. He used it in a completely different capacity than was originally intended however. He took public photos and used them for his own purpose. He was kind enough to share with the community.

Skydog took LL's work, used it for the EXACT SAME PURPOSE but attached his name to it. He only changed the names and added yet another persons name to it. He also very briefly thanked the anonymous people who helped.

His apology, I missed it, only came after several contentious posts.

[LivnLegend]

Originally Posted by David Yellope

Your logic would fail kindergarten. It's EXACTLY the same thing. He did this for personal use, and was ASKED to post it by Draft Dodger as a benefit to the community, and LL then has a hissy fit (AFTER SD apologized)

Give it a rest David. First off, that's a blatant lie.
I'm done with the issue.
SkyDog has refused my request for an apology. He refused my request for proper credit. He has ignored my requests to remove my files from his combined file.

The bottom line is I will not make another mod for this community because I don't want the insults and bad feelings that come from what this situation turned into.

I've been nothing but a champion of the cause for OOTP Developments. You'd be hard pressed to find a negative word from me about this community anywhere (outside of the zaniness of OT posters!). What I started off this whole thing asking was not that far-fetched or unreasonable. Even now, after all the logic and rational thought that went into this, I still have people, like David, on two message boards pointing out how wrong I was to even bring it up.

You win, dude.

[David Yellope]

Originally Posted by The_Prodigy

What LL did was COMPLETELY different. He altered the pictures. Skydog just stole LLs work

BWAHAHAHAHA!

And SkyDog altered the file names, and made the face packs work together.

EXACT.

SAME.

SITUATION...

I respect the work LivinLegend did to put the facepack together.. but to continue to whine that while he had taken other people's work for the base of his files and putting a general "I didn't take these photos" notice in it, that SkyDog's combining the files, combining all the face packs for PERSONAL USE, and then after being asked to release it by DD as a courtesy, doing so, only to have LL accuse him of being a thief.


EVEN AFTER HE offered to replace the generic..

(Thanks to those who helped me figure out how to do this (Draft Dodger & Shorty3281), and to the guys who actually made these facepacks. (This is a compilation of the facepack work of 4 or 5 different people.)

with something crediting LL as the author of one of the facepacks used, just makes him a DELETED BY HENRY.